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Guitardian wrote:they picked the wrong soundbytes you dumb person. Next time say less stuff people can make fun of.

I think the bigger issue is that they couldn't circulate any soundbytes which actually made her sound intelligent. Lots of stuff about homeyness, or folk populism, but that's about it.

100% correct. The 2004 election reminded everyone that you can't get elected on "the other guy sucks." You have to make a viable case for yourself as President (especially when the other guy's the incumbent). Obama made the case. Kerry didn't.

You know, the Jay Leno show asked people in the street about who said this and they thought it was Palin.


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Ignore the name of the video, I didn't like Palin or Obama. I wanted McCain, because it would be like electing a person similar to the Frazzled we all enjoy.

I flew a sign at a rally in portland back in '04 that said "VOTE FOR ME, I'M NOT BUSH EITHER!"

Obama was voted in because he was intelligent and reasonable, and offered HEALTH to people who couldn't get it because their taxes were spent on BOMBS instead. Perhaps getting over Dubyah, or being black, was part of it but still Bush won out in '04 over Kerry... maybe because he wasn't black enough... and that is easy ammunition for anone who wants to attack our president for his failure to fix 8+ years of dumb decisions in his first year of office.

Funny how republicans come to power in the term after the dems try to balance the budget crap issues. Take all the credit, leave a mess, and then attack the janitor. Must be a white collar thing. So yeah I guess a black guy or a farmer is a better qualified candidate, while we wait in the wings to launch our wanna-be miss alaska assault, just to prove that soccer moms speak for all of us, no matter how dumb, the lowly janitors clean up for a couple of years before politics turns back into normal aka blowjob accusations being more important than international affairs.

halonachos wrote:

You know, the Jay Leno show asked people in the street about who said this and they thought it was Palin.


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He visited 57 states. That would imply he went to at least 9 of them twice since he did not visit hawaii and alaska at that time. As to the second video, yeah that wasn't particularly eloquent.

Your "Obama is intelligent" post got ninja'd by my edit. Sorry.

He said that he visited 57 states, implying that he had visited 57 states except for Hawaii or Alaska, meaning he had been to 57 out of 59 states.

If he had said that he had made 57 visits to different states then that would be implied as he had made 57 individual visits to 48 out of 50 states.

halonachos wrote:Your "Obama is intelligent" post got ninja'd by my edit. Sorry.

I recovered.

Not you, guitardian.

halonachos wrote:Your "Obama is intelligent" post got ninja'd by my edit. Sorry.

He said that he visited 57 states, implying that he had visited 57 states except for Hawaii or Alaska, meaning he had been to 57 out of 59 states.

If he had said that he had made 57 visits to different states then that would be implied as he had made 57 individual visits to 48 out of 50 states.

Actually, grammatically he could have meant either with both. Visiting 57 states does not imply either a selection of at least 57 different states, nor does it implicitly imply that he visited 57 different states. Within that sentence he could be describing how he visited two different states 57 times. It makes for a great soundbyte out of context, but only if you want to believe that he thinks there are 59 states in the union, which is realistically just a stupid thing to want to believe since it's incredibly unlikely and just makes you look a bit childish.

halonachos wrote:
People without teleprompters or cues are bad speakers.

Fixed that.

halonachos wrote:Not you, guitardian.

do I know you? that was a limp reply if I do.

Back to bitchin'...
57 states... fine.. all good and well.. dumb missspeak on his part?, or maybe that kind of statement was a hint at the status of Guam and Puerto Rico? as american 'colonies'. MAYBE that kind of oops was actually a little jab at the status of our 'colonies'? of which I also consider alaska and hawaii a part of, just annexed for the moment in time when anyone gave a crap about them.. it's not exactly like they're our next door neighbors, and when hawaiians and alskans act like they care about the rest of the actual America, instead of just tourist spots and military bases, maybe I'll give a crap about what they say about homeland security of the actual HOMEland, which most americans don't think of as Alaska.

Everyone who ran for president, including Stephen Colbert, was more qualified then Sarah Palin in any office.

Frazzled wrote:

OH HELL NO!

Nope. Haven't shot at him, so couldn't have missed him.

Mewiththeface wrote:I''m pretty sure as it turns out it said something along the lines of "Hi mom!". She said she did it as a joke. Also, what is wrong with taking notes on your hands? I do it all the time for HW and stuff.

And for math questions, did you write: 'Don't forget, 1-9, + -, X does not mean the letter?' During the segment where she was sitting in the chair, you can actually see her pause for four or five seconds, look down at her palm and read her hand. There's a reason why people giving long political speeches have things like notecards and teleprompters. You want to hit your cogent points, you want to keep the flow of the speech running along lines that mesh with the subject you're addressing, and make sure if you have any highly pertinent points, they don't get lost. So, really, 'lift American spirits?' was something she was in danger of forgetting to do during that duration?

Also, I'm surprised people don't remember the '57 states' clip because that brought the 'sekroot mooslim!' retards shooting out of the woodwork shrieking about how his true intentions were revealed because there were 57 islamic states. IIRC his explanation was, 'I was tired and slipped up when I meant to say 47.'

ShumaGorath wrote:

halonachos wrote:Your "Obama is intelligent" post got ninja'd by my edit. Sorry.

He said that he visited 57 states, implying that he had visited 57 states except for Hawaii or Alaska, meaning he had been to 57 out of 59 states.

If he had said that he had made 57 visits to different states then that would be implied as he had made 57 individual visits to 48 out of 50 states.

Actually, grammatically he could have meant either with both. Visiting 57 states does not imply either a selection of at least 57 different states, nor does it implicitly imply that he visited 57 different states. Within that sentence he could be describing how he visited two different states 57 times. It makes for a great soundbyte out of context, but only if you want to believe that he thinks there are 59 states in the union, which is realistically just a stupid thing to want to believe since it's incredibly unlikely and just makes you look a bit childish.

Never said that he believed it shuma, you're just making an argument aside from what was meant by my OP mentioning this. That being; people can be very, VERY bad at making speeches. I admit, I fell into the whole you were digging you clever little sapper you.


@Bookwrack, even something as simple as "lift american spirits" can be forgotten. Just imagine yourself in front of a crowd that wants you to smack talk the other party, that's all you focus on. Now, you remembered to attack the other party, but you didn't make the crowd feel any better, they're just angry and you forgot to make them feel better.
That's a poor justification for writing "lift american spirits" on her hand, but its easy to forget a lot of things. Next time you go to a retail store ask the cashier if they remembered everything they were supposed to ask you before you leave.

@Karon, the woman was in charge of an entire state and Obama was in the senate. Now here's a comparison: Ran a state, voted for a state. Obama never handled a budget for a level of government, he never made any decisions concerning state laws(now I'm saying state, he did vote once or twice for a federal law), he just voted every once in awhile. His job was just like us going to the voting booth except he could vote "present".

Frazzled wrote:

Good God, Frazzled. Make it stop!

halonachos wrote:
That's a poor justification for writing "lift american spirits" on her hand, but its easy to forget a lot of things.

No, it's really not. At least, not if you're an intelligent person who prepared for your important speech before hand. In fact, an intelligent person probably would've had a whole set of note cards under the topic of tax cuts, because that's a pretty damn broad subject. And 'lift American spirits' would've been an underlying theme you tried to reinforce throughout the speech, not a line item you checked off once you mentioned it.

Also, Palin managed to feth up running a city of 7,000 and didn't even have the ability to finish a single term as governor, quitting that to become a community organizer (I wish she could appreciate the irony). All that having more chances than Obama to display some level of executive experience has done for her is shown how lacking she is.

And you are speaking from experience?

Why? Is competent public speaking some sort of deep dark mystery to you?

No, because I have spoken publicly more than several times. I won't count any stupid "public speaking" classes or oral reports.

It's hard to remember a lot of things when you are speaking to an emotional crowd. You tend to stray off course unless you have something to bring back onto the topic at hand.

Talk to the hand, baby.

I really don't mind when a person brings notes for what they want to speak about. It's bothersome when you see the notes though. Discouraging. lines like "live up america" or whatever aren't exactly the kind of notes we take about force=mass x acceleration sort of notes we scribbled in our youth to pass tests. Do we really need 'notes' to tell us that nonsense? I saw a lot of camera time and babble and all I really got out of it was something about Ronald Reagan having a birthday or something, but meanwhile I was drowned in rhetoric and buzz words and catch phrases and.. ummm... (running out of babble here)... GO TEAM GO! or something.

Wow...she makes OUR governor look smart - and our governor is none other than Mark Sanford...

The problem isn't the person, she is just a billboard sign for an idealism. I'm more worried about where that brand of idealism stems from and if we should start going lynching and stuff or death campy, for all of our good (including the death-camped?... yeah probably)... wouldn't it be awesome if the intelligent and foreward thinking people were the ones running around offing people who didn't agree with their intelligent ideas... no never mind... those are the people who get burned at the stake. I want a reverse witch burning!!! she's ttooooo pure... and... and... spunky... and charming in a fake smile and laff kinda hair salon way.... BURN HER! ... oh wait.... one instance where the intellectuals were far behind.... ummm... burning people because hogs cause witch warts and mary magdalene was a slut or whatever. Dammit they beat us to the punch. Again. Religions are pretty smart. Smart enough to be smart in fact, and guide the actions of the chosen. THEY BEAT US TO THE PUNCH AGAIN... ALL HAIL SAINT PALIN: Martyr to the cause of donkey-caves, religions, and sledding!

That will be a funny flip flop when (not if) it happens don't you think? Hmmm... last gasp of assdumberry gets its straw man mocked to the grave... and then there will be a new wave of dumb-people revolution against not-so-dumb people, and she can have her pretty little head on a statue for representing the opressed dumbass in all of us.... yay. I'm rootin for her. I hope to have one of those hands in my precious collection of historical artifacts after its mummified, I knaw a bit off of it, and put it back in the 'republicans are just aliens in disguise' coffer under my bed.... just waiting for more

because either she will retort to all of the talk about last weeks debactle, or she will cower in fear and the careful watch of her PR minders until people forget again her verbal blabbercrap... anybody wanna take bets on which one the PR gods will pick for her?

I want to make a porn movie based on her and dan quayle having a vice presidential debate. Add some zombies, laser guns, and a couple of high speed exploding cars... we could call it Air Force Two or something equally vice-presidentially relevant. Box office smash.

halonachos wrote: You tend to stray off course unless you have something to bring back onto the topic at hand.

Did you intend to make that pun?

Anyway, if you're going to attack someone else for using a speaking aid (teleprompter) best not to use your own in the same speech (hand notes).

dogma wrote:Anyway, if you're going to attack someone else for using a speaking aid (teleprompter) best not to use your own in the same speech (hand notes).

And finally we're back on topic and on point.

needing to concern about staying on topic in a discussion situation = autism.

Frazzled wrote:

NOPE.

Guitardian wrote:needing to concern about staying on topic in a discussion situation = autism.

It wasn't a discussion though, it was a speech. A discussion is when others bring up points and topics as well, almost like a debate. A speech is when someone talks to you and doesn't expect any verbal responses.

Maybe she spent all of her money on clothing and didn't have any paper to write her notes onto?
Thankyou popular media for making everyone know who did this in the election.