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**JohnHwangDD**

I wonder who remembers the actual state of GW models when DE were originally released, rather than comparing them to things a decade later...

**lords2001**

There are enough tears here in the thread for a Justin Timberlake song.

**Uriels_Flame**

No More Tears . . . (Ozzy)

Now if they would fashion the Archon after Ozzy, what and awesome line this would be. . .

I've always liked the DE background and story archs. It's just you would think there would be "more" to it since they've been split for so long...

**H.B.M.C.**

lords2001 wrote:There are enough tears here in the thread for a Justin Timberlake song.

And enough "crazy" to be a moon landing denial convention!

**haunted_lamb**

hey guys! i just wanted to share that a friend of mine that is a independent distributer of GW (or what ever they call it)

told me that there was going to be a re'relase of the dark eldar. i just wanted to share that with everyone

remember this is just a rumor and i have not confirmed it. I also went to a GW retail store and asked it

and they said that there was a possibility of it happening, but they said it was sketchey. i will post more about this

when i get more info of when im able to confirm it.

i just wanted to copy paste my rumor here... and you dont have to beleave me. and i will still try to confirm it

**jamunition**

well, in the latest white dwarf Jervis said that 'We have new army's and things to come', not accurate, so another hintedy hint hint.

**haunted_lamb**

Yehay!!! Finally someone that doent naysay me

i <3 you jamunition lol

**johnstewartjohn**

Everyone knows they are coming just not when.

**Chamleoneyes**

I think the fact that the DE keep showing up in the Core rule book says that GW is not planning on dropping them. Had they wanted to pretend they dont exist they wouldn't have given them large photo spreads and such in the 4th and 5th edition core rule books. Though with the way they do things with rules, the only way the DE would be completely removed from the game would be to do a completely rules overhaul (such as 2nd to 3rd edition) and not inlude them in the next edition. Due to the fact that nealy every army (save the cliff notes rules they might put in the core book like third edition) no army would be playable until a new rule book for the completely overhauled edition was released. So a complete rules over haul is too much trouble to do.

**Breotan**

Chamleoneyes wrote:I think the fact that the DE keep showing up in the Core rule book says that GW is not planning on dropping them.

They do it as a cruel mocking joke. They tease us while leading us further into the vast wasteland. At least Squat players were given closure.

**Reecius**

Why do people keep saying the Dark Eldar are emo? Or Chaos?

They are like an 80's Hair Band mixed with pure evil. They live to kick ass and take slaves. They care only for what they can take and experiences they can have, the more extreme the better. That is the opposite of emo, they love life (in their fethed up way) they aren't sissy, cry baby, angst filled teenagers.

And they aren't into chaos either, they fear chaos and hate Slanesh.

Dark Eldar should be weak in combat? What?

They should rock in combat! They out-Eldar, Eldar. They hit even harder and are even crappier at taking a punch.

The list is still brutally good, it's just that the models suck balls. The only real problem I have with them is the gak cone heads with giant spikes. Ditch that and give them some cool bare heads and you are in business.

**Chamleoneyes**

Reecius wrote:Why do people keep saying the Dark Eldar are emo? Or Chaos?

Glad to hear somone else hears this all the time. I had a friend who was a hard core Eldar player, and in discussion I was wondering why we never see chaos Eldar. My friend looked at me like I was holding a 5th edition "Codex: Squats" and said: "Dark Eldar are Chaos." The ensuing argument and included with my explaintion of the Dark Eldar fearing chaos, not worshiping it, made me wonder why so many people think the Dark Eldar are chaos. I mean, sure they use warp spawned beasts and are in general not very nice, but you don't see them summoning greater daemons or carrying chaos icons around with them.

**Paladin Blake**

Its a good bet that Deldar are getting re-released...someday. IIRC, the Planetstrike book featured a bit of fluff about Dark Eldar being "worshippers of Khaine" or something like that. I think we can expect a rerelease, and it seems like GW is making them more akin to WHFB Dark Elves.

**Sidstyler**

jamunition wrote:well, in the latest white dwarf Jervis said that 'We have new army's and things to come', not accurate, so another hintedy hint hint.

He's obviously talking about Space Marines. Blood Angels are being released in the next couple of months.

**Defiler**

Reecius wrote:Why do people keep saying the Dark Eldar are emo? Or Chaos?

Most people lack any sort of greater analytical capacity, and project their own misguided or ignorant opinions on subjects they don't fully understand.

The Dark Eldar are quite clearly a dramatic analog for Ego-centrism and I think the concept behind the race is potentially much deeper than most other races.

What sort of compelling role do any of the races play upon the grand stage of WH40k?

Chaos portrays revenge.
The Eldar portray self preservation.
The Orkz portray raw barbarism and basic human aggression.
Tyranids with their emphasis on instinctive, animal-like behaviour.
Space Marines attempt to portray concepts of the unwanted order and suppression, religious zeal and fanaticism.
Imperial guard portray... I would suppose the fighting spirit of the weak and outnumbered.
Tau portray noble diplomacy and child-like exploration.
Necrons portray revenge... again.

Now granted, Space Marines definitely have the most compelling story which can be attributed to the raw amount they are given, but they generally encompass concepts that most people can get behind. That makes for dramatic story-telling and you can really identify with them, or one of their chapters.

The Dark Eldar represent divine defiance, the self, nihilism and the fall of civilization. I don't think these are trivial matters, even though we all just play a game. At the heart of the race, they are simply Eldar who haven't drastically changed their ways in what they percieved to be the only way to survive. They are not an off-shoot, or influenced by Chaos (they created a major Chaos player through their actions), or Emo (What's emo about succumbing to your every selfish desire, truly living?)

I will concede there are some theatrically and cliched things about the race concept, such as their so very tragic plight they were bestowed with, their inability to truly feel what used to satisfy them pushing them to higher and higher depths of depravity, but with their willingness to submit to the self they essentially damned their existence for the rest of eternity. The Dark Eldar will continue to feel, experience, take until their way of living cannot support itself anymore but they should not be empathized with.

The Dark Eldar essentially represent religion refers to as Satan, Lucifer, the Goat, or simply the Self. Within that concept, I believe true evil can be realized. All other races have a motive, a very valid motive in the grand scheme of things. I don't believe any sort of redemption or good can be found within the tale of the Dark Eldar, and that's why they are so compelling to the select few who play them thus far.

So no, I don't believe they are "Chaos" or "emo".

**Corvus**

Defiler wrote:
Reecius wrote:Why do people keep saying the Dark Eldar are emo? Or Chaos?

Most people lack any sort of greater analytical capacity, and project their own misguided or ignorant opinions on subjects they don't fully understand.

The Dark Eldar are quite clearly a dramatic analog for Ego-centrism and I think the concept behind the race is potentially much deeper than most other races.

What sort of compelling role do any of the races play upon the grand stage of WH40k?

Chaos portrays revenge.
The Eldar portray self preservation.
The Orkz portray raw barbarism and basic human aggression.
Tyranids with their emphasis on instinctive, animal-like behaviour.
Space Marines attempt to portray concepts of the unwanted order and suppression, religious zeal and fanaticism.
Imperial guard portray... I would suppose the fighting spirit of the weak and outnumbered.
Tau portray noble diplomacy and child-like exploration.
Necrons portray revenge... again.

Awesomly deep post there man, I never thought of that. If I could tho, I would like to make two suggestions:
Guard (to me) portray more of the spirit and bravery of the common man, even in the face of overwhelming opposition
And Necrons are death. Plain and simple.

**Reecius**

@Deflier

I agree, you said it quite succinctly.

That is what gives this game so much endurance, the depth of the background material. I have friends who have no desire to play, but love to read about the history of the fictional universe.

**Ripgiblet**

Just played a game today 1500 points, against a Dark Angel player with 2500 points, in a KP mission and almost won...(I killed 60 Marines... he killed 20 D Eldar... but since he had 13 KP and I had 19KP.... was a bit of a hopeless fight... he was left with about 800 points worth... but beat me 6KP vs 8KP... I wiped out 2xFull Assault Squads,Full Devy Squad, 2xFull Tactical Squads and Chaplain, and he killed 2 Ravagers and 5 Raiders and a unit of 5 Dark Eldar....)

The Dark Eldar at the moment are a great side to fight with, and it might be that the models I bought off the internet were majorly modified, but they look cool too:]

FLUFF:
I think Dark Eldar should be pirate styled, they take what the want and keep moving, have had thousands of years to really become decadent, breed allot, evil mind, cunning.
When Slanesh was born, it phycicly raped the eldar, it could also be that Dark eldar are the surviving real eldar, that possibly through drugs and decadence had destroyed their psychic powers and made them imune to the Slanesh psychic blast etc...

The current fuff of eldar says:
Before The Fall the Eldar were a technologically advanced race, generally considered one of the most powerful races in the entire Galaxy. Their technology had advanced so far that little or no work was required by individual Eldar, and as a result, at some point around the 24th or 25th millennia, groups of Eldar began forming cults dedicated to the pursuit of experiencing everything that life had to offer.
The Eldar mind is capable of a far deeper level of emotion and imagination than that of a human; therefore although they are capable of experiencing the greatest joys and creating the most beautiful pieces of art and music they are also capable of experiencing the deepest hate and ugliest depravities. These pursuits became more extreme and depraved as time went on. Torture and murder came to be seen as artforms every bit as worthy as music and drama. The Eldar were extremely long-lived, never suffered from senility or disease, and their superior intellect allowed them to perfect their skills to a degree far beyond that of even the most talented humans. The Eldar were able to devise cunning new ways of torturing and killing their fellows at rates never imagined.

Anyway my thoughts on the fluff... basically Dark Eldar think they are the real original Eldar.

RULES:
So I am kind of hoping that there are only some minor changes like:
1)Splinter Rifle become assault 2 18" range, or poisoned, or both.
2)Warriors can have CCW, or their rifles work like kroot rifles.
3)Raiders get a cheap upgrade that allows them to do flanking moves, and they dont count as a seperate kill point.
4)Dark lances become assualt.
5)Haywire grenades can be put onto dreadnaughts.
6)Dark eldar can shoot from raiders at cruising speed.(Also means that they can shoot after deep striking....)
7)Mandrakes get a complete rewrite and leader upgrade.. maybe infiltration like previous rumours.
8)Talos creates slave units from all victims it kills, or a chance...
9)New unit being slaves.
10)Scourges get cheaper weapons, and maybe hit and run...

And all the FAQ fixes are in the codex...(Anoying having to look up 5 FAQs just to make your army...

PS-I put this in the rumours section, because most of these things have been rumours at one time or another:] (Except the Talos make slaves thing....

)
PS2-I don't want them adding too much, and also not making them too powerful because they already are pretty good...
PS3-Sorry about how long this post is:]

**lords2001**

My brain hurts. I would like to play DE. I would like to know when the models are coming out so I could exclusively save for it. But since the rumour mill has dried up in its quality, we will have to wait until we have something concrete. We should save the threads about what is coming until then.

**Leggy**

Follow this link:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246627&page=6

And search down for the posts by Harry. He's One of the most "In the Know" posters on any of the rumour sites i know, and he's basically confirming we'll see Dark eldar around christmas/early 2011

**Alpharius**

Is viking657 J.H.D.D.'s name over on Warseer?

**Whatever1**

Defiler wrote:
Reecius wrote:Why do people keep saying the Dark Eldar are emo? Or Chaos?

Most people lack any sort of greater analytical capacity, and project their own misguided or ignorant opinions on subjects they don't fully understand.

The Dark Eldar are quite clearly a dramatic analog for Ego-centrism and I think the concept behind the race is potentially much deeper than most other races.

What sort of compelling role do any of the races play upon the grand stage of WH40k?

Chaos portrays revenge.
The Eldar portray self preservation.
The Orkz portray raw barbarism and basic human aggression.
Tyranids with their emphasis on instinctive, animal-like behaviour.
Space Marines attempt to portray concepts of the unwanted order and suppression, religious zeal and fanaticism.
Imperial guard portray... I would suppose the fighting spirit of the weak and outnumbered.
Tau portray noble diplomacy and child-like exploration.
Necrons portray revenge... again.

Now granted, Space Marines definitely have the most compelling story which can be attributed to the raw amount they are given, but they generally encompass concepts that most people can get behind. That makes for dramatic story-telling and you can really identify with them, or one of their chapters.

The Dark Eldar represent divine defiance, the self, nihilism and the fall of civilization. I don't think these are trivial matters, even though we all just play a game. At the heart of the race, they are simply Eldar who haven't drastically changed their ways in what they percieved to be the only way to survive. They are not an off-shoot, or influenced by Chaos (they created a major Chaos player through their actions), or Emo (What's emo about succumbing to your every selfish desire, truly living?)

I will concede there are some theatrically and cliched things about the race concept, such as their so very tragic plight they were bestowed with, their inability to truly feel what used to satisfy them pushing them to higher and higher depths of depravity, but with their willingness to submit to the self they essentially damned their existence for the rest of eternity. The Dark Eldar will continue to feel, experience, take until their way of living cannot support itself anymore but they should not be empathized with.

The Dark Eldar essentially represent religion refers to as Satan, Lucifer, the Goat, or simply the Self. Within that concept, I believe true evil can be realized. All other races have a motive, a very valid motive in the grand scheme of things. I don't believe any sort of redemption or good can be found within the tale of the Dark Eldar, and that's why they are so compelling to the select few who play them thus far.

So no, I don't believe they are "Chaos" or "emo".

All joking aside,the DE have a lot of parralels with Chaos. The theory that "absolute power corrupts absolutely",is essentially the basis for the DE's fluff,and Chaos is a corruptive force in and of itself. Their hedonism and worldview is also somewhat in line with Slaneesh,not coincidentally the Chaos god the Eldar spawned.

As far as the DE being "true evil" or basically evil for evil's sake,I think that's pretty off base. They commit their heinous acts just so they can feel something,and much like a drug addict,they have to keep sinking to deeper and deeper depths just to get their "fix." As low as they sink,their actions are still just indulging their needs instead of denying them. Evil for evil's sake is an extremely flat storytelling device,and if that's how people interprit them,then no wonder they're not popular. A group or character just being evil for no real reason produces a flat,2D,character that most people just don't care about. There has to be some rationale as to WHY,or people just can't empathise with them.

**AgeOfEgos**

**Railguns**

I don't think Dark Eldar would commit slaves to battle. Thats like sending cows to fight your war for you. They are valuable as a commodity, and aren't capable or trustworthy enough to use as fighting, or even distracting units on their own.

I'd play Dark Eldar if they came out with them again. I liked the color scheme and general aesthetic(despite some real stinkers in the range) and the play style, but I just never got around to it.

**Cheese Elemental**

Railguns wrote:I don't think Dark Eldar would commit slaves to battle. Thats like sending cows to fight your war for you. They are valuable as a commodity, and aren't capable or trustworthy enough to use as fighting, or even distracting units on their own.

I'd play Dark Eldar if they came out with them again. I liked the color scheme and general aesthetic(despite some real stinkers in the range) and the play style, but I just never got around to it.

I think GW could learn a thing or two from Relic. Their portrayal of Dark Eldar in DoW: Soulstorm was great, and the in-game models looked a lot better too.

**mal**

Whatever1 wrote:
All joking aside,the DE have a lot of parralels with Chaos. The theory that "absolute power corrupts absolutely",is essentially the basis for the DE's fluff,and Chaos is a corruptive force in and of itself. Their hedonism and worldview is also somewhat in line with Slaneesh,not coincidentally the Chaos god the Eldar spawned.

As far as the DE being "true evil" or basically evil for evil's sake,I think that's pretty off base. They commit their heinous acts just so they can feel something,and much like a drug addict,they have to keep sinking to deeper and deeper depths just to get their "fix." As low as they sink,their actions are still just indulging their needs instead of denying them. Evil for evil's sake is an extremely flat storytelling device,and if that's how people interprit them,then no wonder they're not popular. A group or character just being evil for no real reason produces a flat,2D,character that most people just don't care about. There has to be some rationale as to WHY,or people just can't empathise with them.

OT a bit, but...

I've always thought of an evil person as 'someone who commits their actions solely for the benefit of themselves, usually (but not necessarily) at the expense of other people'

Isn't that what DE do?

**Kirasu**

Sorry but all joking is *not* aside yet!

The joke is that DE "fluff" has generated countless posts on the internet despite the codex having what.. 3 pages of it? maybe 3? and I dont know of any novels

My old GI joes had more fluff written about them in the summary card you got in the inside of the package!

Ok I kid I kid.. DE are a well fleshed out race worthy of a codex..

What I mean is that DE hopefully get a complete reboot so I can stop making jokes about them being the biggest failure since squats in terms of concept (S&M freaks = bad for a game marketed to kids), fluff (none) and models (defending the models is like defending cocaine use.. but atleast cocaine makes you feel good for a few minutes.. DE models just make you depressed)

Ok all jokes aside now

**Thor665**

Kirasu wrote: I dont know of any novels

We had Warrior Coven staring Lelith Hesperax as the big bad versus some Eldar and Deathwatch (not that I can recommend the novel, it doth be gak)
There was also Tales of Heresy featuring a very cool Space Wolves vs. Dark Eldar story that was, for my money, the best tale in the anthology.

**Alpharius**

AgeOfEgos wrote:

THAT really needs to be a certain someone's new avatar!

**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:Is viking657 J.H.D.D.'s name over on Warseer?

Not unless I have an Evil (Good?) Twin...

~~I'm not on WarSeer~~ - I can't even keep up with Dakka, so adding WS would just be pointless.
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OK, I've gone ahead and reserved my username on WarSeer.