The TeaParty movement dissected (newsweek article)

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**Wrexasaur**

Frazz wrote:You're discussing a Newsweek article about the Tea party. You should stop right there if you want to have a balanced, informed discussion. Newseek isn't either.

Check out actual Tea Party information or at least less biased secondary sources.

I can agree with that, but I see no reason why people cannot discuss this article.

If you feel like providing more information via different sources, I would humbly suggest you do so.

**Frazzled**

Nah. I'm trying to wean myself off discussing politics here.

**JEB_Stuart**

Frazzled wrote:Nah. I'm trying to wean myself off discussing politics here.

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

**Wrexasaur**

I am pretty sure that will cause massive fluctuations to the stability of the universe, possibly causing an implosion originating from the Dakka OT.

**Frazzled**

The Frazzled Effect. me likey.
I should apologize to Dogma. I could see him being in the repub party in college. I myself was in many clubs and organizations in college, signing and attendance directly proportional to the level of co-ed participation...

**ShumaGorath**

You're discussing a Newsweek article about the Tea party. You should stop right there if you want to have a balanced, informed discussion. Newseek isn't either.

I have never seen a flattering depiction of the tea parties in any venue other than on certain fox news infotainment shows since they started. Not a single article. Not a single web page. Not a single news story. Take issue with newsweek all you want, but don't down a few bottles of vodka than imply that other people live in some sort of liberal commune because they aren't card carrying members of the tea party.

Check out actual Tea Party information or at least less biased secondary sources.

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/

I lived through most of the Cold War, the Kennedy assassinations, the riots and rebellions of the 60s, Watergate, the bloated government spending sprees, wars, etc., but for the first time in my life, I'm afraid for the survival of our republic.

The Left is out to destroy all that is America. Behind closed doors, in secret meetings, they use our money to bribe and intimidate our legislators into voting in favor of overwhelmingly unpopular and unconstitutional bills. They create and invent crises as a means of forcing their agenda, they seize control of our industries at every opportunity, they betray our allies and give advantage to our enemies, they spend our economy into obliteration, they intend to force us to buy rationed health care which will be directed by new federal bureaucracies with the power of life and death and the goal of cutting cost, and they intend to give us a Death Tax.

Fraz, I think you've drank too much of the fething coolaid if you think that "actual tea party information" exists in some form that doesn't simply mock them. Even on their own sites they look like conspiracy nutcases and ill educated whiny rednecks.

Nah. I'm trying to wean myself off discussing politics here.

You can't do it.

**Orkeosaurus**

I want to be a hip-hop tea partyer.

**JEB_Stuart**

You aren't?

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:The Frazzled Effect. me likey.
I should apologize to Dogma. I could see him being in the repub party in college. I myself was in many clubs and organizations in college, signing and attendance directly proportional to the level of co-ed participation...

Note four things here:

1. I'm not liberal. Not by a long shot.

2. I only argue with you because your points tend to be wildly illogical, or generally ignorant of fact.

3. The majority of the liberal posters on this board (Shuma, Sebsters, etc.) don't make many factual errors. They tend to err via idealism, which is an issue of morality or judgment. This is par for the course.

4. The majority of conservative posters on here (You, Fateweaver, Envy89, etc.) love hyperbole, but don't seem to realize what it is. This is par for the course.

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:The Frazzled Effect. me likey.
I should apologize to Dogma. I could see him being in the repub party in college. I myself was in many clubs and organizations in college, signing and attendance directly proportional to the level of co-ed participation...

Note four things here:

1. I'm not liberal. Not by a long shot.

2. I only argue with you because your points tend to be wildly illogical, or generally ignorant of fact.

3. The majority of the liberal posters on this board (Shuma, Sebsters, etc.) don't make many factual errors. They tend to err via idealism, which is an issue of morality or judgment. This is par for the course.

4. The majority of conservative posters on here (You, Fateweaver, Envy89, etc.) love hyperbole, but don't seem to realize what it is. This is par for the course.

only in your "learned" opinion.

**ShumaGorath**

1. I'm not liberal. Not by a long shot.
3. The majority of the liberal posters on this board (Shuma, Sebsters, etc.) don't make many factual errors. They tend to err via idealism, which is an issue of morality or judgment. This is par for the course.

Why does everyone always assume I'm a liberal?

only in your "learned" opinion.

That wasn't a very good comeback.

**Nurglitch**

In other words: Conservatives are idiots, but Liberals are fools?

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
1. I'm not liberal. Not by a long shot.
3. The majority of the liberal posters on this board (Shuma, Sebsters, etc.) don't make many factual errors. They tend to err via idealism, which is an issue of morality or judgment. This is par for the course.
Why does everyone always assume I'm a liberal?

only in your "learned" opinion.
That wasn't a very good comeback.

It was accurate though.
I never said I was good at playing snaps. I usually just hit them with a stick at this point.

**ShumaGorath**

It was accurate though.

Insofar as the term "learned opinion" is one of flattery and not derision.

I never said I was good at playing snaps. I usually just hit them with a stick at this point.

Just don't hit me in the head or face. I tend to get riled up when that occurs.

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:
only in your "learned" opinion.

Is this the point when I link to all my professionally published credentials?

Edit: Also, I can prove that your points are generally illogical. That's not an issue of opinion.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
It was accurate though.
Insofar as the term "learned opinion" is one of flattery and not derision.

I never said I was good at playing snaps. I usually just hit them with a stick at this point.
Just don't hit me in the head or face. I tend to get riled up when that occurs.

Its whatever you make it to be.
Don't worry Shuma I won't hit you with a stick. I have graduated to killer attack wiener dogs. They will gnaw on your big toe like nobody's business.

**dogma**

Nurglitch wrote:In other words: Conservatives are idiots, but Liberals are fools?

Sort of. Conservatives tend to be ignorant, liberals tends to be idealistic. Both of these terms are insulting to my mind.

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
only in your "learned" opinion.

Is this the point when I link to all my professionally published credentials?

**dogma**

I'm amazed that someone gave you a law degree.

**Kanluwen**

I gotta admit, if I were ever on trial...I'd hire Frazzled for a defense attorney.

If he's this good at deflecting online...imagine the courtroom!

**ShumaGorath**

dogma wrote:I'm amazed that someone gave you a law degree.

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:I'm amazed that someone gave you a law degree.

Mmm, harsh words from the personal trainer working in a gym. I don't know how I shall recover from this witty assault upon my person.

Gave? No one gave me anything. I bought mine out of the candy ball machine like everyone else. We're talking at least $.50.

**ShumaGorath**

Mmm, harsh words from the personal trainer working in a gym. I don't know how I shall recover from this witty assault upon my person.

I knew you could throw out a good comeback if you tried.

**Frazzled**

Kanluwen wrote:I gotta admit, if I were ever on trial...I'd hire Frazzled for a defense attorney.

If he's this good at deflecting online...imagine the courtroom!

I'm too offensive to be a good defensive attorney.

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ShumaGorath wrote:
dogma wrote:I'm amazed that someone gave you a law degree.

We don't cotton to those Ivey League colleges.

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:
Mmm, harsh words from the personal trainer working in a gym. I don't know how I shall recover from this witty assault upon my person.

It wasn't meant to be witty, its a statement which describes my regard for your reasoning ability. You value your emotions far too much to be considered of sound mind. Unless you're simply putting on an act for internet.

Are you attempting to insult my profession? If so, that isn't very accurate. I manage the gym you're referring to.

Frazzled wrote:
Gave? No one gave me anything. I bought mine out of the candy ball machine like everyone else. We're talking at least $.50.

No, someone gave it to you. Even if the giving was the result of placing it in the candy machine.

**Kilkrazy**

ShumaGorath wrote:

Nah. I'm trying to wean myself off discussing politics here.

You can't do it.

Drink more beer, it's free.

Well, it isn't free but you won't care if you drink enough.

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Mmm, harsh words from the personal trainer working in a gym. I don't know how I shall recover from this witty assault upon my person.

It wasn't meant to be witty, its a statement which describes my regard for your reasoning ability. You value your emotions far too much to be considered of sound mind. Unless you're simply putting on an act for internet.

Are you attempting to insult my profession? If so, that isn't very accurate. I manage the gym you're referring to.

Frazzled wrote:
Gave? No one gave me anything. I bought mine out of the candy ball machine like everyone else. We're talking at least $.50.

No, someone gave it to you. Even if the giving was the result of placing it in the candy machine.

So the gym manager is questioning my sanity. I'm heartbroken. If you only knewme better you wouldn't have to question it.

No it was not given to me. I earned that $.50.

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:
So the gym manager is questioning my sanity. I'm heartbroken. If you only knewme better you wouldn't have to question it.

So you're going to question my knowledge of you as an internet persona, while simultaneously assuming that being a gym manage renders my ability to perform intellectual tasks suspect? That's cute.

You should really avoid addressing things which you could not possibly have knowledge of. It makes you look foolish, and it plays directly into my criticism of you.

Frazzled wrote:
No it was not given to me. I earned that $.50.

Illusions are comforting, aren't they?

**Fateweaver**

$.50 for a law degree.

I think I'll go to Walmart and buy one tomorrow.

Naw, I don't want to be a lawyer. I'd rather be unemployed and hated by few than be a lawyer and hated by all.

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
So the gym manager is questioning my sanity. I'm heartbroken. If you only knewme better you wouldn't have to question it.

So you're going to question my knowledge of you as an internet persona, while simultaneously assuming that being a gym manage renders my ability to perform intellectual tasks suspect? That's cute.

You should really avoid addressing things which you could not possibly have knowledge of. It makes you look foolish, and it plays directly into my criticism of you.

Kettle meet pot.

Frazzled wrote:
No it was not given to me. I earned that $.50.

Illusions are comforting, aren't they?

Well in my younger days I would have said yes, that this is all an illusion, God's dream. We're just bits of that dream and nothing, absoutely nothing matters.

Then I discovered chocolate tuxedo chessecake. Mmmm cakkkeeeee.....

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Fateweaver wrote:$.50 for a law degree.

I think I'll go to Walmart and buy one tomorrow.

Naw, I don't want to be a lawyer. I'd rather be unemployed and hated by few than be a lawyer and hated by all.

Well with inflation the price has gone up, but look at it this way. if you think being a lawyer is bad you should try being a banker. We have to tell people we're serial killlers to avoid all the hate mail.