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MeanGreenStompa wrote:My own personal loathing is the emperor's new clothes of RAW as it's currently being touted, which seems to consist of taking anything that's written in the codex/rulebook and combining it to make clearly illogical or ludicrous results. Then it's followed by a folding of the arms and a smug 'I'm right, it's there in black and white' stance.

I find it interesting that you see this as something new. That sort of approach has been a part of YMDC for at least as long as I've been here.

From what I've seen, rules discussions these days are actually more likely to wander off into how the game is actually played rather than sticking doggedly to RAW. Yes, we still have the silly-RAW threads. And some posters stick to RAW more closely that others. But it's no longer the sole focus.

Whilst I agree with Yakface to some extent (The condescending egos of yester year such as Bugswarm, Mauleed > the likes of Stelek) I think it's a slightly skewed argument, not taking into account the noticeable effect that current moderation "policy" has on the current feel of the board.

Sure a larger population needs a larger pool of moderators, but consistency would be nice. Mods need to be moderated in my opinion, some of them are just not good. Why, just the other week I was cruelly and unjustly reprimanded for the online equivalent of pointing at a crazy person, and by a moderator with quite an unbalanced posting history to boot http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/278314.page

The only way this fits with the theory a board being people and not rules is if the people are the moderators, which brings us back to the rules.

@ insaniak

It's the stance of 'But I have found in in black and white so anyone who disagrees is a lowly cheater', when the person citing has actually just taken the written word and applied their own 'interpretation' of it by emphasising a particular word or inflection.

It's the stance that anyone who does not see things in precisely that way is not conforming to the rules.

It is the lack of good grace in debating, the insistence on spamming until you 'win'.

I've not been here that long, only a couple of years, but it does seem to have slid down that road in the second year.

Howlingmoon wrote:
and how much of Dakka is now just the "cool kids" and their moderator patrons patting themselves on the back in between toy throwing fits?

More than you care to admit.

And this is the part that bothers me the most, there does seem to be a group of people that can pretty much get away with anything that would get the stern talking-to from a mod. It seems to be a fairly small group, but they are very, very vocal. Usually they're only arguing to be right, and will spit in the face of anyone who dares (my word!) to disagree with them or their opinion.

That being said, I usually come to this board to have fun and enjoy myself...in the various ways I feel like extracting it. I have long since given up using this as a resource of strategy or tactics (I'm pretty convinced that most people on the internet don't actually know how to play the game anyway), though I do try and give advice or my opinion when I see fit to do so.

I rarely stray out of the news and rumor group or the discussion group, mostly to see what new mini's other 3rd party companies are designing.

YMDC is a damn silly place, kinda like Camelot.

Hmm... been here a year and a bit. Think I'm usually quite polite (the odd dry comment aside) and therefore definitely not part of the cool rebel brigade who want to get into arguments with people.

I guess if you enjoy arguments, then more power to you, but for me life's too short to spend debating whether a flame cannon is a flaming attack (which it blatantly is btw) with somebody I will never meet and therefore never play a game with.

I'm a new user to Dakka but I have been watching the site for many years before joining.

If I say somehting that deserves to be ridiculed then that's life,
I'd get over it and then wait untill the peeps who flamed me get flamed and then join in (",)

But that's part of the fun of it, right?
Getting your own back (",)
Or is that just me?

I don't like the idea of kids gloves but I've seen some debates become arguments since I joined,
although not to the extent of the OPs description..

I like DakkaDakka and like all things in life, it's going to evolve, even if some peeps don't want it too..

You got doesn't appear as much....

Ya know, that's what had kept me on this site for the early years. Following the 'Dakka Tough Guys' go at the noobs and each other. There were some classic threads on the old Dakka.

Speaking of provocative characters, not seen much of a certain high post count regular since he had a colourful exchange with somebody last week. Hope he doesn't disappear, I enjoy his dry observations.

Howlingmoon wrote:

and how much of Dakka is now just the "cool kids" and their moderator patrons patting themselves on the back in between toy throwing fits?

More than you care to admit.

You do know that the moderators we have aren't some group of friends I've recruited to help create some uber-clique...they are a collection of different people from all over the world, most of whom have never even met?

You can rest assured that there is no one person who is 'friends' with every moderator (or even most of them), however I can't stop you from believing there is some gigantic conspiracy in place at Dakka to ruin the site.

All I can do is to remind you, and everyone that the majority of moderation is done privately via PMs or emails as in my experience public admonishment has little positive benefit and only tends to make whomever is being reprimanded feel even further persecuted.

So if you assume that any other user hasn't been suspended or warned for their behavior then you're making an assumption, and one that may or may not be true.

But ultimately, whether or not any other user has been reprimanded is immaterial as the only person who any individual user can control is themselves, and if each person takes a step back and remembers that we're supposed to be having discussions involving a TOY SOLDIER HOBBY, then there really isn't ever any need to be anything but polite and friendly, even if you vehemently disagree with someone else's opinion.

And if anyone really thinks they're being targeted by the moderators, may I suggest you try the diabolical tactic of always posting in a polite and friendly manner? If you do so, I think you'll find the moderators will amazingly stop harassing you!


And Howlingmoon, this response was not aimed at you particularly, but rather towards the sentiment you expressed.

Jazz is for Losers wrote:Whilst I agree with Yakface to some extent (The condescending egos of yester year such as Bugswarm, Mauleed > the likes of Stelek) I think it's a slightly skewed argument, not taking into account the noticeable effect that current moderation "policy" has on the current feel of the board.

Sure a larger population needs a larger pool of moderators, but consistency would be nice. Mods need to be moderated in my opinion, some of them are just not good. Why, just the other week I was cruelly and unjustly reprimanded for the online equivalent of pointing at a crazy person, and by a moderator with quite an unbalanced posting history to boot http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/278314.page

The only way this fits with the theory a board being people and not rules is if the people are the moderators, which brings us back to the rules.

I dearly hope you're being sarcastic...please say you are.

Because otherwise we have a case of one guy claiming the mods favor certain posters (which I'd guess he'd include you in) and the other hand we have a poster who is supposedly in the 'in-crowd' feeling picked on by the moderators.

Le sigh!

It's enough to make someone want to jump off a bridge sometimes.

Could it also be a byproduct of the game's focus shifting? From the outside looking in now, I mostly see apocalypse games and canceled GT circuits. While there's a little rage still about something grossly over/under-powered in a new codex, it's nothing like the days where many people behaved like they actually have a stake in the balance of the game. Maybe they just don't anymore.

I think yakface has the right of it. Any forum inevitably takes on the characteristics of it's major posters and some of the more frequent posters here these days are people like Waagh_Gonads or malfred, who both have opinions but don't express them as forcefully as people like mauleed and Stelek used to.

I miss the old days a little bit in that I do miss seeing things from bugswarm and especially JTS, his mathhammering of Tau helped me out a lot in prior editions.

Nowadays, the tone is generally friendlier, apart from what seems like a vicious split between casual gamers and tournament gamers over which type is more 'fun,' which is ridiculous because the games are as fun as you and your opponent want them to be, n matter the game style.

I also don't quite get Howlingmoon's crusade against moderator hypocrisy (I just don't see it, outside of OT, where the mod is responsible for about 40% of the flame wars), but that might because I'm very quick to hit the notify mod button, and it usually seems like a response is justified

Jazz is for Losers wrote:Whilst I agree with Yakface to some extent (The condescending egos of yester year such as Bugswarm, Mauleed > the likes of Stelek) I think it's a slightly skewed argument, not taking into account the noticeable effect that current moderation "policy" has on the current feel of the board.

Sure a larger population needs a larger pool of moderators, but consistency would be nice. Mods need to be moderated in my opinion, some of them are just not good. Why, just the other week I was cruelly and unjustly reprimanded for the online equivalent of pointing at a crazy person, and by a moderator with quite an unbalanced posting history to boot http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/278314.page

The only way this fits with the theory a board being people and not rules is if the people are the moderators, which brings us back to the rules.

Thats situation was dealt with. You are not made aware of who is suspended and who is not-frankly thats none of your business.

And you will note the statement to "move on in the thread" was generic.

yakface wrote:Le sigh!

It's enough to make someone want to jump off a bridge sometimes.

I have to say, having taught high school last semester, some of the moderation issues on Dakka remind me a LOT of dealing with kids in school (and the feeling of near-suicidal tendencies ). We're mostly adults here... we should be able to control ourselves on an internet forum without having our hand slapped! Come on, guys!

Also, even though I just rejoined Dakka a year or so ago, I was a frequent reader (and ocassional poster, under a different username) about 10 years ago I believe, before taking a long break from the hobby. People were sometimes rude then... and they're sometimes rude now. People complained about moderation then... and they complain about it now. It's just different faces, and more people, which brings different challenges.

I also think the "snarkiness" for lack of a better word comes in waves... and it's been pretty heavy lately in Discussions and News & Rumors imho. But again, that's nothing new... just a new wave of it. And the only way to influence it to how you like is to post more and let your voice be heard!

Edit: Also, as far as the lack of gonads or whatever about the site lately (which I don't necessarily agree with!)- having someone like Frazzled around to put people in their place can't hurt! If you feel something is so out there that allowable words on the forum can't adequately handle it... that's what that little exclamation point in the corner of the post is for . Otherwise, refute their argument and show them up with logic... not childish insults!

yakface wrote:

Howlingmoon wrote:

and how much of Dakka is now just the "cool kids" and their moderator patrons patting themselves on the back in between toy throwing fits?

More than you care to admit.

You do know that the moderators we have aren't some group of friends I've recruited to help create some uber-clique...they are a collection of different people from all over the world, most of whom have never even met?

You can rest assured that there is no one person who is 'friends' with every moderator (or even most of them), however I can't stop you from believing there is some gigantic conspiracy in place at Dakka to ruin the site.

I'm pretty sure we both know what I think of that statement. Or you might not, considering you're never around and have left the special ed table to run the lunch room.

Also, feel free to quote me where I've ever said that the "cool kids" intend to "ruin" Dakka. Far from it, I've contended that their intention is to have their own private sandbox. "Ruining" Dakka for anyone else isn't even on the to do list because Dakka isn't -for- anyone else.


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chaplaingrabthar wrote:I think yakface has the right of it. Any forum inevitably takes on the characteristics of it's major posters and some of the more frequent posters here these days are people like Waagh_Gonads or malfred, who both have opinions but don't express them as forcefully as people like mauleed and Stelek used to.

I miss the old days a little bit in that I do miss seeing things from bugswarm and especially JTS, his mathhammering of Tau helped me out a lot in prior editions.

Nowadays, the tone is generally friendlier, apart from what seems like a vicious split between casual gamers and tournament gamers over which type is more 'fun,' which is ridiculous because the games are as fun as you and your opponent want them to be, n matter the game style.

I also don't quite get Howlingmoon's crusade against moderator hypocrisy (I just don't see it, outside of OT, where the mod is responsible for about 40% of the flame wars), but that might because I'm very quick to hit the notify mod button, and it usually seems like a response is justified

Should it be considered surprising that that Mod is also involved in 40% or more of the rest of the flame wars on this site as well?

skyth wrote:

thekerrick wrote: I reserch my army a lot, and I honestly do not see all this garbage that gets posted. Occasionally there is the bad thread, but I can usually avoid them by noticing the bad spelling

Anyone else amused by the irony?

Ack you got me. I think you know what I mean though.

IS DIS A GUD LIST?!?! AHHA MEH SPACE MARINS ARE TEDH BEST HAHAHA

Howlingmoon wrote:

yakface wrote:

Howlingmoon wrote:

and how much of Dakka is now just the "cool kids" and their moderator patrons patting themselves on the back in between toy throwing fits?

More than you care to admit.

You do know that the moderators we have aren't some group of friends I've recruited to help create some uber-clique...they are a collection of different people from all over the world, most of whom have never even met?

You can rest assured that there is no one person who is 'friends' with every moderator (or even most of them), however I can't stop you from believing there is some gigantic conspiracy in place at Dakka to ruin the site.

I'm pretty sure we both know what I think of that statement. Or you might not, considering you're never around and have left the special ed table to run the lunch room.

Also, feel free to quote me where I've ever said that the "cool kids" intend to "ruin" Dakka. Far from it, I've contended that their intention is to have their own private sandbox. "Ruining" Dakka for anyone else isn't even on the to do list because Dakka isn't -for- anyone else.


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chaplaingrabthar wrote:I think yakface has the right of it. Any forum inevitably takes on the characteristics of it's major posters and some of the more frequent posters here these days are people like Waagh_Gonads or malfred, who both have opinions but don't express them as forcefully as people like mauleed and Stelek used to.

I miss the old days a little bit in that I do miss seeing things from bugswarm and especially JTS, his mathhammering of Tau helped me out a lot in prior editions.

Nowadays, the tone is generally friendlier, apart from what seems like a vicious split between casual gamers and tournament gamers over which type is more 'fun,' which is ridiculous because the games are as fun as you and your opponent want them to be, n matter the game style.

I also don't quite get Howlingmoon's crusade against moderator hypocrisy (I just don't see it, outside of OT, where the mod is responsible for about 40% of the flame wars), but that might because I'm very quick to hit the notify mod button, and it usually seems like a response is justified

Should it be considered surprising that that Mod is also involved in 40% or more of the rest of the flame wars on this site as well?

Speaking as an outsider to this debate and as someone who is relatively new to the site with neither allegiances nor cliques, I have to say that you come across as having a massive chip on your shoulder Howlingmoon. Whether this is from a real or perceived slight, I don't know, but that's what it seems like to me.

I started lurking in about November 2008, so I'm relatively recent on this board, compared to a lot of the old farts back in 2005 or the like. And its interesting, because even in the short space of time that I've been here, Dakka has changed noticeably. Flaming? Forum personalities? Personal rivalries? These things all still exist.

For example, you have the famous antagonism between HBMC and JohnHwangDD. The bitterness between Kanluwen and Lunahound, between Lunahound and MeanGreenStompa, between MeanGreenStompa and Gwar!, between Gwar! and half the forum.... Head over to the off topic forum, and you have the intellectual trio of dogma, sebster, and JEB_Stuart to contend with, with occasional spice from ShumaGorath. Fancy a debate in the general discussion areas? You'll probably run into Manchu, Flashman, kid_kyoto, Agamemnon2, or Mad Doc Grotsnik. If you're lucky, and its an interesting topic, Janthkin, Redbeard, Jin or mikhaila might jump into the fray. Overseeing all this, you have the moderators and admins, some disliked to certain degrees, others thought of with a certain amount of affection.

This whole forum is one big community of drama, discussion and ego. It's almost like a continuous running episode of East Enders! Sure, there might not seem to be much in the way of overt swearing and 'calling out', but look a little closer. What happens when a new user makes a post filled with illiteracy, ill advised comments, and bad spelling? They usually get jumped on with both feet in a glorious scrum!

You have the running jokes reiterated time after time for users who missed them the first time round. The queries as to where one can buy a space corridor set, the tactical genius of a certain individual, and the repeated mockery of CS Goto....the comedy, if at times a tad stale, is excellent! Many's the time I've broken with laughter at a daft image posted, or a particularly witty remark!

I'm a recent addition to the mod team, and I only acquired this promotion after I'd badgered Yakface with so many suggestions for the SwapShop, he basically got tired of me, gave me the mod hat and said, 'You care so much, you do something about it!'. I've found that most mods, like me, are just people who enjoy the community aspect of the place, and are willing to put in that little bit more of their own time(usually when they're being paid to work, it seems to be), into helping make Dakka a place where relatively new users like myself can settle in comfortably, have some pleasant discussions, tune in to the forum drama and community, and just generally have fun! Regardless of what Dakka may have been beforehand(I wasn't there to see it), I think that what it is today is a most pleasant place to spend the time of day when you have nothing better to do. It is in short, an overall fun, intelligent, varied and above all interesting board, that I'm happy to have found!

Frazzled wrote:

Jazz is for Losers wrote:Whilst I agree with Yakface to some extent (The condescending egos of yester year such as Bugswarm, Mauleed > the likes of Stelek) I think it's a slightly skewed argument, not taking into account the noticeable effect that current moderation "policy" has on the current feel of the board.

Sure a larger population needs a larger pool of moderators, but consistency would be nice. Mods need to be moderated in my opinion, some of them are just not good. Why, just the other week I was cruelly and unjustly reprimanded for the online equivalent of pointing at a crazy person, and by a moderator with quite an unbalanced posting history to boot http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/278314.page

The only way this fits with the theory a board being people and not rules is if the people are the moderators, which brings us back to the rules.

Thats situation was dealt with. You are not made aware of who is suspended and who is not-frankly thats none of your business.

And you will note the statement to "move on in the thread" was generic.

Quite frankly I agree. I'm not sure I requested any information regarding whom and whom is not suspended

yakface wrote:

Jazz is for Losers wrote:Whilst I agree with Yakface to some extent (The condescending egos of yester year such as Bugswarm, Mauleed > the likes of Stelek) I think it's a slightly skewed argument, not taking into account the noticeable effect that current moderation "policy" has on the current feel of the board.

Sure a larger population needs a larger pool of moderators, but consistency would be nice. Mods need to be moderated in my opinion, some of them are just not good. Why, just the other week I was cruelly and unjustly reprimanded for the online equivalent of pointing at a crazy person, and by a moderator with quite an unbalanced posting history to boot http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/278314.page

The only way this fits with the theory a board being people and not rules is if the people are the moderators, which brings us back to the rules.

I dearly hope you're being sarcastic...please say you are.

Because otherwise we have a case of one guy claiming the mods favor certain posters (which I'd guess he'd include you in) and the other hand we have a poster who is supposedly in the 'in-crowd' feeling picked on by the moderators.

Le sigh!

It's enough to make someone want to jump off a bridge sometimes.

Oh no I'm serious. Well, apart from the "cruely and unjustly" part. I know this isn't a thread about effective moderators but since my previous post needs qualified, the example I gave was just one of poor modding thart stuck in my memory, understandably I think given that I was involved. I could equally point to this thread or this one as examples of general over-bearing oafishness that I wouldn't notice from anyone in the general populace but would be surprised to see from a moderator. (discalimer - overbearing oafishness refers to manner of posting and not the author of said posts. Obtuse would perhaps be a kinder description). All subjective of course.

edit/ possibly just a natural clash of personalities and therefore irreelvant and biased views, but I'd still say there is at times a lack of temperance.

Jazz is for Losers wrote:
Oh no I'm serious. Well, apart from the "cruely and unjustly" part. I know this isn't a thread about effective moderators but since my previous post needs qualified, the example I gave was just one of poor modding thart stuck in my memory, understandably I think given that I was involved. I could equally point to this thread or this one as examples of general over-bearing oafishness that I wouldn't notice from anyone in the general populace but would be surprised to see from a moderator. (discalimer - overbearing oafishness refers to manner of posting and not the author of said posts. Obtuse would perhaps be a kinder description). All subjective of course.

edit/ possibly just a natural clash of personalities and therefore irreelvant and biased views, but I'd still say there is at times a lack of temperance.

The 1st of your links has someone calling someone else a troll, so that's fair game for the mod.

In the 2nd, I can't see a mod wielding the stick? Just mods talking in the discussion?

Reecius wrote:Maybe I am just a crusty old grognard here and remember the old days as being better even if they weren't, but I can't shake the feeling that Dakka is turning into a Warseer or B&C.

When I came here way back when, this place was like the wild west. You ran your mouth and you got called out. You said something stupid and you got flamed like crazy for it. I am pretty sure there were people who cried themselves to sleep after getting a royal reaming by some of the regulars.

Now I have new people telling me to be nice and not hurt anyone's feelings. People are coming on the boards and saying that math hammer is dumb and pointless, that units should be used because they are fluffy? Take that to the other boards where they like the same things. This is Dakka for crying out loud!

What is going on here? Dakka was where you came to learn how to win the game, not get a pat on the back and cuddle with a fluff bunny!

Where are the old guys anyway, like Mauleed, Tigerbaby, and all the others? I have not seen a 3 page flame war with death threats and people calling each other out for the next tournament in forever. Everyone is playing with kid gloves on now. It feels like Dakka is losing what made it unique. Dakka is lsoing the swagger that made me love the place

This was a place where you had to support your claims and if you made a ridiculous statement you got slammed. It was not polite and it was not nice but it made me a better player without question, and it made me realize that you can't go running your mouth about the game when you are unable to walk what you talk.

Does anyone else feel this way or am I just missing the good old days?

I swear it seems like Dakka is changing from a whiskey drinking, bare knuckles saloon into a wine bar in the suburbs.

OMG this is the most idiotic post I have ever seen on DAKKA!!! What rock did you crawl out from under? I totally disagree with your premise since your head must be up your rear!!

GET OFF MY FORUM!!!
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Is that more like what your looking for, Reecius?

Because I'm not.

p.s. the above rant wasn't meant to be taken seriously at all, it was a device used to make a point.

GG

I have to say, I don't see anything wrong with any of the threads you've linked to, Jazz is for Losers (OT about your username- do you really think so, or is it a joke I'm not getting?)

And I just about burst out laughing every time I see that "Don't Mess With Old Dogs- I swear to Jesus, I'll kill every last one of you" image . You want personality, there it is!

Hi, my name is Vladigar. I'm a casual gamer who likes to use full units of Sisters Repentia for no ther reason than I think it's fun to throw 20 half-naked pissed-off women with chainsaws at you.

You may proceed to flame my tactical inadequacy. I won't take it personally.

Janthkin wrote:I've been on Dakka since ~2000. I hope I haven't had to resort to rude posts, in order to convey meaning.

Polite discourse doesn't have to be shallow; see the 11+ pages on Tyranids between Mahu & Shep.

I've been around since not long after I played Russ in the 2000(?) Baltimore GT. Lurked for a while before I started posting and I still remember the old cast of characters, including guys like Snord, Drew Riggio, etc. So here's my $0.02.

IMO, Dakka got really ugly for a while there just before Yak took over. Too many valuable posters from the early days had left or been run off as the place became more and more dour and insular. Honestly, I thought the site was well into its death spiral. Traffic had to have declined quite a bit.

Yak and company have IMO done a really nice job in reviving the site. There's far more hobby content than before, more traffic in general, and some of the Tyranid threads that Janthkin referenced above have been as good of a tactical discussion as we've had here in a long time. And that discussion has been nothing but polite and on topic from the get-go.

Having said that, I think the site is FAR from becoming Warseer. Spend even a little time and energy in discussions there and you'll see what I mean. Dakka is still a much older audience with more experienced players, values good grammar, has better and less biased modding...the list goes on. And I think it's well within our ability to give a newbie to the site the proper perspective in a nice way instead of berating them and shouting them down like we did in the good ol' days.

IMO, Dakka's in a pretty good spot. It's still a more grown-up alternative to the Warseers of the world, but it doesn't arbitrarily run off new people and new ideas just because they're new.

RiTides - It's a quote from a tv series I liked, I am indifferent towards jazz.

As to the examples I linked I'll explain but no more after that,this isn't a personal attack and is in danger of looking like one. Selected quotes -

"Excellent" (on the subject of excessive police force), not a good start, followed by "...the idiocy of that statement is staggering". Again if your an average Joe post, go for it (or maybe not - does this contravene rule 1?).

"You asked for opinions from Brits. There they are. Its your fault for asking a question you didn't know the answer to. Calling them trolls because they disagree with you is itself trolling.
Rule #1 is in effect here as well. Posters that attack other posters on this thread will be subject to disciplinary from this point forward."

Curt snappy sentences used in this context, stating the facts as seen by the author, backed up with the threat of "disciplinary" isn't, to my mind at least, very even-handed. It's gives the statement a rather condescending tone imho. May have well just written "Dude, you suck, here's why..." Not to mention the fact that the other guy (not the fellow that was warned using the above quote) in the discussion seemd to be an overly-aggressive *screwdriver* and deserved to be told as much (from where I was looking at least).

We should just add, like, a thunder dome thread. Where all the peoples who have beef with each other can just get it out in the open and be done with it. Heck, I'll even moderate it.

Maybe with a place to safely vent, everyone can post a little more honestly and intelligently without letting their egos get in the way of a more constructive debate.

Oh god i can't be bothered to read such a blatantly trolling thread, so I'll post one of my own..

@ the OP

Why did it change? Maybe the WAAC, flame-warring, whiny minority of 'competitive' gamers who shout someone down under the arrogant auspices of 'telling it like it is' have all just, you know, GROWN UP and realised that civilised adults can have a serious conversation without juvenile insults.....?


EDIT for irony. And we're immune to banning on this thread, right?

Trolling!? Man, you just brought up logic and civility in the SAME SENTENCE...that's like a global internet insta-ban.

I do appreciate the ironing though, my pants needed pressing.

ArbitorIan wrote:Oh god i can't be bothered to read such a blatantly trolling post.

@ the OP

Why did it change? Maybe the WAAC, flame-warring, whiny minority of 'competitive' gamers who shout someone down under the arrogant auspices of 'telling it like it is' have all just, you know, GROWN UP and realised that civilised adults can have a serious conversation without juvenile insults.....?

Yeah, this post sure seemed civil and in-no-way juvenile...

ArbitorIan wrote:Oh god i can't be bothered to read such a blatantly trolling thread, so I'll post one of my own..

@ the OP

Why did it change? Maybe the WAAC, flame-warring, whiny minority of 'competitive' gamers who shout someone down under the arrogant auspices of 'telling it like it is' have all just, you know, GROWN UP and realised that civilised adults can have a serious conversation without juvenile insults.....?


EDIT for irony. And we're immune to banning on this thread, right?

Wait, you can have a serious conversation without juvenile insults?

BLASPHEMER!