Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

TBD wrote:That is Daffney from TNA wrestling I think.

At least she has nice implants.

OK, so hear is the latest on this as relayed to me from another source:

You can get up to a +9 rank bonus for going 10 by 10.

So, you have a unit that gets boned by a flank charge but will have huge static res.

Take it as you will, I am just passing along what I hear.

Be great for my Skaven if it was true, but who else is going to field regiments of 100 miniatures?

Flashman wrote:Be great for my Skaven if it was true, but who else is going to field regiments of 100 miniatures?

all those people sitting on hundreds of skull pass goblins

Apologies for quick OT, but others did start it off.

Uriels_Flame wrote:OT:

MDS - I can't figure out what is creeping me out more about your Avatar - that it is just creepy in and of itself or if that is actually a guy . . .

It's just her, it's part of the gimmick, shes playing her 'crazed Goth' persona atm. Although saying atm maybe a little false, most of the time she's been playing some kind of twisted character.. Draculetta, Shark Girl, Lucy Furr, hell she even played Sarah Palin for a while in TNA.

TBD wrote:

That is Daffney from TNA wrestling I think.

Ding, and shes awesome in the ring as well.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
At least she has nice implants.

How dare ye sir, there is no proof that miss Shannon Spruill has anything but good ole natural talent when it comes to that department.

She also has some awesome tattoos.






Oh and just to freak you out a bit more Uriel.. I love this shot.. hehe





back OT - I also wondering about Skirmishers if this was right, would be a kick in the teeth and put them back in the squarely we are there to cause interfence, take out easy targets and little else.

Anybody know of which models are in the new box set.

Anybody know of which models are in the new box set.

Based on the lack of relevant content or ability to stay on topic in most of the recent posts in this thread, apparently not. Most of the rumors about content of the Core "starter" set up to this point revolve around possible Skaven and Elves.

There has also been rumoured Skaven having at least one/two weapon teams, and the High Elves having a Griffon.

Although the later seems an odd call unless its for pure scenario play in the box.

greenskin lynn wrote:

Flashman wrote:Be great for my Skaven if it was true, but who else is going to field regiments of 100 miniatures?

all those people sitting on hundreds of skull pass goblins

That sounds... painful.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
At least she has nice implants.

How dare ye sir, there is no proof that miss Shannon Spruill has anything but good ole natural talent when it comes to that department.

Aside from having huge D+ boobs on a sporty frame that wouldn't have more than a B-cup without them?

Riiiight...

Come on John, it is not impossible for a thin girl to have large breasts, I know quite a few girls that were born so lucky.

It just isn't common is all.

And besides, we live in SoCal, silicone and saline are so prevalent here I don't know why you would even care. It's almost a shocker to meet a girl here who doesn't have some after market accessories.

Aftermarket is good

We're spoiled here in SoCal. That is all....

Haha, no joke! Going to the beach here in San Diego or in Orange County on a sunny day, which they almost always are, is just eye candy heaven.

Yeah, we are definitely spoiled here, and I am not complaining!

Reecius wrote:OK, so hear is the latest on this as relayed to me from another source:

You can get up to a +9 rank bonus for going 10 by 10.

So, you have a unit that gets boned by a flank charge but will have huge static res.

Take it as you will, I am just passing along what I hear.

Way that sounds, seems to me that you could claim a # of ranks=to the # of files in the unit, with no bonus for the first rank, up to a max of +9 at 10x10. If so, this could be good.

Yeah, i'm seeing some +5 without command from a 36 man unit (go gobbos!). If that's the direction they go that's pretty nice though still actually a little harsher against armies like dwarves who have expensive infantry units. With just a minimum how short the front rank can be.

Yeah I agree.

Again, this could not be true, but I have been told this now by two different people who have always been reliable.

They said the purpose was to give rank and file infantry more purpose. Also there is meant to be more emphasis placed on objectives instead of just always playing pitched battles.

Well if you allow units like ironbreakers to fight in two ranks I think it'll be ok. The increase in combat effectiveness for the loss of the static res though will pretty much be a wash. I'm holding back judgement until it comes out. I'm hoping it's like 5th Edition 40k and gets me back into fantasy playing my dwarves or orgres. If not then there is always ebay or 9th Edition

Am I the only person that thinks there is nothing none with the current fantasy system? I sincerley hope not! People talk of different tiers for different armies, and it's true, that some armies are tougher than others, but it boils down to ability. I've lost plenty of games with demons, and won a fair few against them with Empire and greenskins, which are supposed to be weaker.
As for the rules changes, I don't want it going the way of 40K. Not that there is anything wrong with 40k, but fantasy needs to remember the traits that make it what it is.

I personally think magic is way overpowered right now (I have played too many 18 to 24 magic dice armies and seen my army obliterated with NOTHING I could do to stop it), and some armies are just too powerful.

I think the game could really be improved by allowing rank and file to play a bigger part in the game. Right now I see the game playing like 40K. Lots of small units that shoot or cast spells, flying around the table.

I personally would like to see more blocks of infantry and calvary duking it out.

Or how about this for a hoot, a Warriors of Chaos army with actual Warriors in it!?

I think the game could just use a lot of improvement right now, but that is just my opinion.

I have no massive problems with 7th, but GW do like to fiddle and the introduction of cavalry impact hits is a must for me. If this turns up in 8th, together with a decent boxed set for Empire Knights, I will force myself to get over my mental block regarding modelling horses

A lot of the points about rank and file are valid, but damn, they are so boring! And they take ages to paint! For me, fantasy is about warriors battling through time, hacking away a each other with killing blow and such like a la Highlander. Who cares about grotty Brettonian spearmen. I don't! Well, i do when I'm placing the 5 inch template on them

Got to have rank and file to give your army a dramatic sweep IMHO. Yes, it does taking forever, but I'm kind of enjoying putting together a chittering horde of rats for the visual impact if nothing else!

Twice, I've tried to collect Skaven, and twice I've abdoned ship, so fair play to anyone with the stamina to paint 200 odd models.

One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is the LOTR style throwing a knife/axe at someone just as you charge them.

Hulksmash wrote:Aftermarket is good

We're spoiled here in SoCal. That is all....

Amen, guys.

Recall, I said her implants looked good. That's not a criticism or negative in any way. They're large, but more-or-less proportionate, like early (Tool Time) Pamela Anderson.

I have no major problems with 7th ed. either. I think the 'issues' are in the army books. Although, cavalry impact hits sounds like a reasonable addition to the rules as it can be applied universally, except to Dwarfs.

Khornholio wrote:I have no major problems with 7th ed. either. I think the 'issues' are in the army books. Although, cavalry impact hits sounds like a reasonable addition to the rules as it can be applied universally, except to Dwarfs.

Agreed that the rules themselves are pretty solid. Reasonable army books are present but codex creeped after a point.

Current 7th Edition issues though the rules are written very well, it's the game as a whole that has issues:

-Magic is far to effective. Could be a codex balance issue but simple fact is magic doesn't have enough of a down side and can be invested in heavily quite easily. Even in 40k right now with the boost in psychic powers your still limited to just 2-4 per army generally. As opposed to 4x that for the same points in fantasy.

-Block infantry is pointless currently. People that take blocks just get danced around the entire game while people play denial. Introduction of objectives that only blocks of core could take would be a huge move in the right direction. Forcing people to fight is what's really needed.

-Shooting. To many modifiers and to inefficient for the cost of the units. Mostly just get rid of the modifiers and it'll change the game quite a bit.

-Psychology. Everyone and their grandma ignores it. It needs a revamp and they need to stop handing it out like it's candy. Panic is a huge part of game but half the armies never have to take a test and have models that are cheaper than the units that do.

-Not enough dice rolled. Just what I said. Right now you don't get anywhere near an average set of rolls on your dice because you don't roll enough dice. Ergo luck plays a dispirportionate (sp?) role.

-Change how movement works. It needs to be faster and cleaner. Right now half the game can be argued away in the movement phase on wheels and shifts.

Fantasy needs a massive revamp. Some of it is codexes but the game needs to be reworked so that it plays differently. Personally I hope it's as large of a change as the change between 4th and 5th edition 40k.

Personally, I laughed at the "Fantasy is mostly list and luck, 40K requires more skill" bit. 40K more than anything else is list + not rolling poorly when your Uber unit does what it's supposed to. I mean, if the lists and armies are 60% of the success and luck another 10%, how can I keep forcing draws or only minor defeats / victories against top tier armies with Orcs simply by playing to my advantages and the weakness' of theirs? I mean, shouldn't I be massacred 70% of the time since my luck with the dice is crap and they have at least two tier advantages over me?

Regardless, onto the rules proper:

+ Up to +9 Ranks is a good change, to me. Since you need at least 25 models to get to +4 and 30 models to get to +5, it's not like this is going to suddenly make it stupidly easy to get another rank (for some army costing you upwards of 50-100 points for a single combat res that can't do anything for several turns).

- Needing a 10 wide front, however, is a bad change to me. A very, very bad one. I can understand why they'd want to increase the minimum frontage, both for appearances and if they are going to allow up to +9 Ranks. However, a 10 wide front is going to be impossible to maintain unless you have Goblin, Slave, or Zombie in your unit name.

- Fighting until everything dies / someone runs. No. That ruins the point of an anvil. If you put a unit out to make the enemy stick their proverbial willy in the meatgrinder now, they're going to be lined up for a pair of flank charges. You do it next edition, they'll plow straight through your lines after you spend sixty minutes rolling out the unstoppable unit against the unmoveable unit.

- Fighting in an extra rank. See the "Roll dice" thing. Because I really enjoy the prospect of seeing 81 attacks from a unit of Khorne Warriors / some Savage Orc units / certain Witch Elf units.

If the "extra rank fighting", "10 wide front", or "fight until destroyed / broken" things are true, then - as another suggested - I might just give up on the hobby. I'm watching veterans around me drop like flies in 40K and Fantasy as the rule changes are just killing the desire to play.

If 8th Edition came out and all the above rules were put into effect, I can pretty much promise you that, outside maybe two people in my GW (those who're GW's favored customer type: That buy $300 of gak every new army and $100 for each of those armies for each new edition), everyone who played Fantasy would either sell their stuff, pack it away for the long haul, stop going to the hobby shop and play older editions, or just play the older editions within the shop.

Reading the changes, yeah, it would fix some of the problems. But by creating a whole slew of new ones. I don't want the problems to be fixed by me spending $200 that will probably lead to the exact same problems again (unbalanced armies) five books into the new edition, I want to see my problems fixed by people taking a fething effort that doesn't start with "Insert next paycheck here."

We're almost there...

We're almost where? To locking the thread? Why?