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I don't play much fantasy, but I do enjoy the games I play.

I like the idea of simplified movement. Its a drag in fantasy currently, and leads to some really weird situations. This would speed the game considerably.

I might like random charge distances. It makes the game less about luring people into your charge distance, which seems to be how I win battles, but is a little boring. Its also less about "charge footsy" where you spend alot time squinting at the battlefield and trying to decide if the other unit is 16" inches away or not. (I play Brets.)

No marching heavy Cavalry? HERESY!

I like "stepping up". It makes blocks really hard to crush, as would the extra column's rule above. In general I like the idea of wide units that create more of a "line" across the battle field.

Magic? No clue if this is good or not. Never really cared about FB magic. On the whole though I'd like to see it play less of role in the battle rather than more.

Fighting in 2 ranks? Ok I suppose. Don't really want more dice.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Have considered that aspect but shouldn't the terrain take care of that factor so there is no need for a d6?

I agree with Shivan but if there has to be a roll then d3 would be preferable, as a maximum shortfall of 3" on the charge could stll make a difference, but chances of a catastrophic failure would be lessened. It seems more realistic. To fall short of a charge by 5" is the stuff of Keystone Cops.

Actually, to be *most* realistic, Charging should depend more on Ld than Mv, with a Ld test to be passed with a +1 bonus for Skirmishers, -1 penalty for Ranked... Charging in Ranks is a complex action that is difficult to effectively coordinate.

A lot of other historicals systems use variable movement to capture this same issue.

And really, +d6 / +2d6 adds highly desirable detail to the Movement system that 40k simply doesn't have. Rolling a 1 is more indicative of the Command & Communication structure breaking down or than the actual troopers doing something. And most likely, certain races will roll bonus d6, or have re-roll modifier or roll 2d3 or something else.

The more I think about variable charge distance in Fantasy, the more I like it.

I find it funny that there are people arguing both "Rolling more dice in combat is good because it balances out averages" and "Rolling 2D6 for charges is good because it adds some randomness to the game". Just a FYI.

There are some rules I'm fine with in the new edition. Firing in two ranks I've never had a problem with, and the Killing Blow rule seems slightly better (because, really, can you think of someone other than a Gorger and Manticore who benefits from that change as the rules stand ATM?) whilst similarly giving more use. However, Fear tests no longer causing panic? What? That... that doesn't make sense to me. Fluff-wise, anyways, and game-wise I can't see much use in this change.

Immunity to Panic in Fear / Terror units, if true, also sounds less than stellar to me. Basically, Trolls are only ever bothered by Stupidity and Combat Resolution now. That's an example, not the only impact it'll have.

Minsc wrote:I find it funny that there are people arguing both "Rolling more dice in combat is good because it balances out averages" and "Rolling 2D6 for charges is good because it adds some randomness to the game". Just a FYI.

There are some rules I'm fine with in the new edition. Firing in two ranks I've never had a problem with, and the Killing Blow rule seems slightly better (because, really, can you think of someone other than a Gorger and Manticore who benefits from that change as the rules stand ATM?) whilst similarly giving more use. However, Fear tests no longer causing panic? What? That... that doesn't make sense to me. Fluff-wise, anyways, and game-wise I can't see much use in this change.

Immunity to Panic in Fear / Terror units, if true, also sounds less than stellar to me. Basically, Trolls are only ever bothered by Stupidity and Combat Resolution now. That's an example, not the only impact it'll have.

The problem people have with fear iirc, is that you have to test to charge 10 ghouls with a 25 block of infantry. I highly doubt the 25 infantry are going to be to terrified to charge the ghouls

Minsc wrote:Killing Blow rule seems slightly better (because, really, can you think of someone other than a Gorger and Manticore who benefits from that change as the rules stand ATM?)

Hydra for one. Beastmen have a killing blow on 4+ large creature also.

Not sure where to post this, but the other 8th edition thread is on rules only, so I post it here:

calmacil from Ulthuan.net posted his version of the starter box contents (High Elf side):
Swordmasters, Ellyrian Reavers, Lothern Seaguard and a Griffon.

He also said that there will be other HE releases this year (confirmed by Avian from Warseer), a.o. plastic White Lions. Not accompanied by an army book though (says Avian). calmacil predicted the HE/Skaven starter box a year ago, so he is not completely untrustworthy

Kroothawk wrote:calmacil from Ulthuan.net posted his version of the starter box contents (High Elf side):
Swordmasters, Ellyrian Reavers, Lothern Seaguard and a Griffon.

Wow. If those models look nice then the starter set just moved from a "probably buy" to a "must have". I'm not too fussed one way or the other about the griffon, but the others are kits I've wanted in plastic for a long time. I hope the Seaguard look like the old metal Seaguard, who were some of the slickest HE metals I've ever seen. Hopefully they won't be ordinary spearelves with a quiver stuck on somewhere.

Just been over in Warseer (yeah, I know, but it's quiet over here today. Even MGS and Gwar! are being nice to each other ) and there was some mutterings about an Abomination release this summer. It's Warseer and therefore probably rubbish, but anybody else heard anything that might back this up?

there was some mutterings about an Abomination release this summer

It'll be the new Justin Timberlake album.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

there was some mutterings about an Abomination release this summer

It'll be the new Justin Timberlake album.

Oh god, does he still have a career?

Flashman wrote:Just been over in Warseer (yeah, I know, but it's quiet over here today. Even MGS and Gwar! are being nice to each other ) and there was some mutterings about an Abomination release this summer. It's Warseer and therefore probably rubbish, but anybody else heard anything that might back this up?

To be fair to warseer.. Their rumors arent rubbish as dakka and every other site generally steals the rumors *from* there because of the late brim and harry

Fair enough, but this was of the "I was going to get my mate to make me an Abomination, but he said not to bother because they're going to release one in the summer" variety.

I'm not sure why I bothered Dakka with it really. I guess I just want to see one released.

Xyz'r'Xaz'r'Xuz wrote:Bye-the-bye...does anyone have an idea when "this summer" 8th edition is supposed to drop?

Local store is getting its rulebook first week of June, so probably July-ish. Kind of excited we (about 15 of us) are starting a camp. with new rules, will be fun with seasoned vets being confused as hell if the changes are for reals.


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ShivanAngel wrote:
The problem people have with fear iirc, is that you have to test to charge 10 ghouls with a 25 block of infantry. I highly doubt the 25 infantry are going to be to terrified to charge the ghouls

Unless of course they are skaven slaves or night gobos. Leadership average of 7-8 plus a general nearby makes it hardly a bother with fear. Plus the ghouls might be wearing lipstick and eyeballing the enemy in a funny manner.

BUT i can see your point.

GW needs to gather 10 random seasoned players, stick them in a room, and say " Oi, make us a balanced fantasy edition and we will MAYBE buy a blister for ya lots"

The page on gamesworkshop has a countdown for something. words and stuff on the countdown show sigmar and stuff. it is confirmed. new warhammer.

Warboss Narznok wrote:The page on gamesworkshop has a countdown for something. words and stuff on the countdown show sigmar and stuff. it is confirmed. new warhammer.

It was confirmed over a month or two ago in an email.

And the countdown is until it's available to advance order - 15th June

That's why we use the other 8th edition thread since 8th May, where all information is in, including release date, first store preview demo games, second store preview date, and sample pages (with transcription):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720/290823.page