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Don't care, I always buy from my FLGS. I game there, so I figure should support them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But seriously, even getting past your own 'Jump to defend every thing GW does at the drop of a hat even when it's off topic' Kan, you have to look at this through a filter. You've always got to take what's posted on the internet and filter out the 'Internet Hyperbole'. So, using your Ultramarine example, when I see someone (and I have seen someone) write "That was the worst trailer I've ever seen", you have to filter it into something more reasonable like "I didn't like it".

There's no problem with disliking the teaser(aside from the morons who were bitching about "It shows us nothing! It tells us no plot!" Of course it didn't, it was a teaser showing the first full render of a Marine), or thinking that Spearhead's rules and formations were unbalanced.

The problem is when people do nothing but bitch about it having to do something as simple as register for the official sites to view the content.

I mean really, you can't be bothered to spend two minutes configuring an account?

Come on Kan, you expect people to lazy to get out of their own chairs and run their own business instead of being armchair CEO's and trying to tell GW their business model doesn't work (and apparently it does since they've actuall INCREASED profits the past couple of years all during a recession) can be bothered to spend 2 minutes typing in a name, username and password to a site?

Sorry H, I don't suck the teet of GW nor approve of everything they do. You know my stance on the 3.5 abortion that was Chaos Space Marine codex so you are just throwing a blanket statement over my head in assuming I'm sleeping with GW. I may not have as many beefs as you do but then again for someone who apparently loathes GW and everything it represents (see I can blanket you as well) you sure do have a lot of GW miniatures and terrain. Hmm, perhaps your bitching is just you trying to be internet tough guy and armchair CEO or perhaps you are just confused? I mean, if most people bitched about Ford cars/trucks as much as you do about GW I would hope they wouldn't give Ford Motors one penny. You are kind of an anomally H.

So keep thinking I'm a fanboi and apologist and a GW teet sucker. You know my feelings on certain Eldar issues and my feelings on a couple of GW codeciies to know that I'm not a fanboi. Fanboi sees nothing wrong with something; same goes for an apologist. I have issues with GW so your fanboi statements are just you needing to feel tough and manly. Get over yourself already. In your eyes GW can do nothing right, you think I assume GW can do nothing wrong. Neither statement is true so just cut the bs, okay?

According to GW's interim report, sales have fallen. The only reason they have posted a profit is due to cutting overheads.

Until Fall when DE come out than we'll see a jump.

You know why you're awesome Fateweaver? For the simple reason that you just don't get it, yet continue to rage against the internet for GW.

GW made a profit, I wonder if that's because they are slashing stuff left and right including stores and employees worldwide, then raising prices all over their lines for the last 3 years straight. You can call me an "armchair CEO" all day and it doesn't bother me one bit. What you should really do is step back and look at what GW does, and tell me that's how YOU would operate your business. Crapping on FLGS, pissing off distributors, removing their Rogue Trader programs, banning internet sales, suing fan sites, shutting down their Gamesdays (after turning them into crap), and the list goes on.

That's good business sense, right Fate? That's how you would do it.

Go re-read HBMCs' post, that's it in a nutshell.

Coming late to the game with something like Free S&H, isn't going to bring back your once loyal followers.

Sure, in the scenario that Kan put up, placing a tiny order will give you a better deal in the end, but how often do people order 1 figure. Most customers wait until they have a nice sized order, $50-$100 or more, and at that point almost every place out there is free S&H. Of course, you might have to place an order for 1 guy, since GW likes to release brand new minis that are Direct Only. The way I see it, if they want to force me to buy Direct Only, then they should give Free S&H by default, 10 YEARS AGO.

Also, since you seem to have me confused with someone else complaining in the movie thread (where I haven't posted), I did register and watch it. It's still a crap "teaser". One dude standing there for a few seconds while we watch credits roll. Call me when the "teaser" includes 10-15 seconds of something happening.

Hurray so atleast I get some discount on direct only things. Fizorgle!

H is as much anti-GW as I am pro-GW. He just has more clout and followers.

Don't even get me started on suing fan sites where 90% were illegally distributing GW material or were told to change names but laughed and now have to pay the price.

My attack isn't against you. To people like H, GW does very little right (still shocked he actually liked SH). The vocal minority (which shockingly enough is the anti-GW people) don't represent the views of everyone who buys GW products. I'm noticing that trend with Dakka. That the louder you bitch and moan about GW the more of the fanbase you apparently represent. Talk about an elitist attitude.

Free shipping is a start. Sure other sites do that along with a discount. Sure, some companies promise or guarantee same day shipping (but not all) but as I said not every GW customer will trust to order online from anyone BUT GW and not every customer has an FLGS to buy from nearby or who offers a discount (I have a store 8 miles from home but he doesn't offer a discount so the only difference NOW between him and GW is that if he has it in stock I don't have to wait 5 days to get it, I can get it that same day).

So for 1,000's or 10's of 1,000's of gamers out there who fit into the category I just described free shipping is a good deal. Just because most of the gamers on Dakka buy locally or trust ordering from someplace online that isn't GW direct doesn't mean everyone who plays GW games or buys their minis for hobby purposes does.

Get it or should I draw it in crayon?

Well free shipping is almost as valid as a % discount.
Shipping eats away at a discount pretty quick if your not ordering more than $120. Not everyone buys there whole army at once. Fast math there.

Id wager the average customer gets 1-2 items $50-70 at a time, pure speculation. So this helps them a lot.

Also GW is seldom out of stock. Try getting Chimeras or Blood Angels honor guard online right now. Not so easy.

Stop speaking logically Task.

According to H and other anti-GW nutters EVERY single person who buys anything GW related buys from their FLGS at 20% off, online at 20% off or gets free shipping anyway. So free shipping when ordering direct from GW does nothing for anybody because nobody buys direct from GW. Duh.

Here's your crayon:

$50 - 20% ($10) = $40 + $5.95 S&H = $45.95 <---- Warstore Example

$50 - 0%($0) = $50 + Free S&H = $50 <------ GW Example

Chances are it will get there in the same amount of time since Warstore uses 2-3 Priority and people swear they don't pick orders they days they are ordered. GW uses 2-5 Ground of some sort, I believe FedEx when I got SH, and they pick/ship that day guaranteed!

So because your local guy doesn't like you enough, imagine that, or if you have trust issues with online retailers, this GW deal works out perfectly for you. Of course it's kind of a conflict that you don't trust one online retailer, but do another.

As I said just a post ago.....

Sure, in the scenario that Kan put up, placing a tiny order will give you a better deal in the end, but how often do people order 1 figure. Most customers wait until they have a nice sized order, $50-$100 or more, and at that point almost every place out there is free S&H. Of course, you might have to place an order for 1 guy, since GW likes to release brand new minis that are Direct Only. The way I see it, if they want to force me to buy Direct Only, then they should give Free S&H by default, 10 YEARS AGO.

Also, I'm not complaining about free S&H, I'm simply saying that waving that banner as some victory for gamers is silly. Pointing it out as a grand gesture from the gaming overlords as an act of their supreme kindness is silly. You proclaiming it awesome and GW did us a favor, or "they don't have to give us even this!" is dumb. Considering their model, and what they have done, this is the LEAST they SHOULD do.

So basically, it's more of the "I'm ENTITLED to this!" crap.

Gotcha.

Warstore uses USPS Priority mail, which results in a bit of a delay lag in the pick-up and sorting of orders, and also has scheduled pick-up times they have to meet.

I've got open orders with The Warstore that I can track right now that tell me that. A bits order of mine(for 6 Storm Shields with Deathwing Iconography, if you must know, for my homebrew Chapter "Order of the Grey Blade" and their "Paladins") was picked up from The Warstore on Tuesday, and only just left the Bethpage NY sorting facility today.

GW uses FedEx Ground that delivers in the same amount of time it takes USPS to sort an order.

I placed an order for Ezekiel and the Master of Recruits(as my FLGS doesn't stock blisters--but does actually take orders for customers and get them shipped to our homes rather than the store) through them yesterday, it shipped yesterday and will be here tomorrow.


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TalonZahn wrote:
Crapping on FLGS

Let's ask some of the FLGS owners here if they get crapped on. I'd love to hear about it.

pissing off distributors

Of course they piss off distributors, as they can remove them from the equation entirely. GW can sell directly to the FLGS, with no middleman needed.

removing their Rogue Trader programs

Because it wasn't working well? Gee, it's almost like it's easier to remove something for awhile and go back to the drawing board to reconsider the approach than it is to let it keep going.

banning internet sales

Not true. They banned using an online shopping cart, and that was only in the US at a time when there were discount "retailers" cropping up and going nuts ripping people off, with no overhead required to make themselves look legit. The Drop Zone comes immediately to mind as an example of that.

suing fan sites

Some of which had deserved it by posting copywritten material. And by the by--they issue C&D orders. There's only been one "fan" site sued, and that one is arguable as a fan site due to the fact that it started life as a fan site and then was bought as a moneymaking endeavor by Curse, Inc.

shutting down their Gamesdays (after turning them into crap)

And they have not shut down their Games Days. They shut down the Games Days outside of Baltimore's, which isn't a bad idea as it makes it so they can focus exclusively on planning Games Day: Baltimore, rather than three separate events in the US alone.

TalonZahn wrote:Here's your crayon:

$50 - 20% ($10) = $40 + $5.95 S&H = $45.95 <---- Warstore Example

$50 - 0%($0) = $50 + Free S&H = $50 <------ GW Example

Chances are it will get there in the same amount of time since Warstore uses 2-3 Priority and people swear they don't pick orders they days they are ordered. GW uses 2-5 Ground of some sort, I believe FedEx when I got SH, and they pick/ship that day guaranteed!

So because your local guy doesn't like you enough, imagine that, or if you have trust issues with online retailers, this GW deal works out perfectly for you. Of course it's kind of a conflict that you don't trust one online retailer, but do another.

As I said just a post ago.....

Sure, in the scenario that Kan put up, placing a tiny order will give you a better deal in the end, but how often do people order 1 figure. Most customers wait until they have a nice sized order, $50-$100 or more, and at that point almost every place out there is free S&H. Of course, you might have to place an order for 1 guy, since GW likes to release brand new minis that are Direct Only. The way I see it, if they want to force me to buy Direct Only, then they should give Free S&H by default, 10 YEARS AGO.

Also, I'm not complaining about free S&H, I'm simply saying that waving that banner as some victory for gamers is silly. Pointing it out as a grand gesture from the gaming overlords as an act of their supreme kindness is silly. You proclaiming it awesome and GW did us a favor, or "they don't have to give us even this!" is dumb. Considering their model, and what they have done, this is the LEAST they SHOULD do.

NOT everyone trusts indepenant retailers with cc orders. I've had no problems with Neal but if I didn't know better I'd place a cc order with GW before I did some dude who owns a gaming store in [MOD EDIT - DO NOT attempt to get around the swear fliter.], Egypt. It is the way it is.

What does my FLGS not having 20% off have to do with him hating us. Not ALL brick and mortars offer a discount.

Again, to 10's of 1,000's of gamers in the world who play GW games that don't/can't/refuse to order anywhere else free shipping is good.

I already said over a certain amount 20% is better FOR THOSE WHO ORDER/BUY FROM INDEPENDENTS. For orders under a certain cost or for people who won't/can't order from independants the free shipping is a good deal.

As I said earlier. I bought 99% of my GW items direct from GW between 95 and 2008. Mostly because I didn't know about online retailers and mostly due to nearest store being a 3 hour drive in one direction.

Get it now?

Kan, your level of fail is remarkable.

You must be a GW plant, GW employee, or Kirby Teabagger.

You live in Raleigh? Something coming from NY would take longer to get there than from Maryland. Keep beating that "I ordered 1 thing from some place closer, and it will get here faster cheaper." horse. To that, I say, "No $h!t Sherlock." Go back and read the thread.

They had multiple Games Days in the US, they now have 1. That means they shut down Games Days. You are debating semantics here. You Fail.

Are they suing fansites? Yes. You fail here also. Do they have a reason to after SOME, yes. Not all of them are taking away from your precious master. Many of them helped develop some of the very things GW uses.

Banning internet sales. Again, your debating semantics. You know what this was refering too. Carts and Images making it easier to sell online. They didn't want FLGS or online competition having it easy to sell, mostly because the GW failure of a site didn't have a cart function at the time, so they shut it down. Fail on your part. These are also the people you can talk to for point one. Along with point one, many FLGS don't like being told to stock XYZ to get at ABC.

Rogue Trader program, well this is sticky since you have no proof it wasn't and I can't prove it was. We'll call this a wash, although the fact that almost every other popular miniatures game out there has something like this, I doubt it "wasn't working well".


Whatever, I'm out GW Fainboi.

Have fun.

GW ships from Mississippi, cupcake.


And apparently you didn't read anything other than the shipping locations. USPS held the package at their sorting facility for two days.

As in, it didn't leave the sorting facility.

You stated they "shut down Games Days". They have one still active, thus--they did not shut them down.

Cease and desist orders != lawsuits.

The shopping cart ban was not to prevent FLGSes from selling online. If anything, it encouraged it as it requires a store to have a brick and mortar storefront in order to be able to sell online.

This thread is closed for the good of humanity, and flaming and whatever...