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You know, fluff-wise, the Tyranids are becoming more of a threat, and the Third Expansion just happened, so Tau vs Tyranids would work nicely. Each of the previous starter sets has been in fluffy chronological order, more or less, so this makes sense.

And if there MUST be Spess Mehreens, they could do SM vs Tau - Third Sphere expansion had to have stepped on a few Imperial toes, or SM vs Nids, which just plain makes sense given the current galactic 'situation.'

Tau vs. Tyranids would be nice. A great way to get people who want to play Xenos into the hobby.

Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Marines [Raven Guard or Salamanders] vs
1] Tau
2] Dark Eldar

Thaanos wrote:Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Well, to be fair, it's also strongly implied that the Golden Throne is failing and something very, very bad is about to happen to the Imperium. By the time the next edition comes out, the Imperium may no longer be the prevalent power in the galaxy.

And the Tau are growing at such a rate that it may in fact be them ruling over a large portion of it.

So, Tau vs something might make sense in that context.

I have a feeling GW is getting tired of the Imperium being the unstoppable juggernaut it is, and is trying to find a way to fragment it more than it already is. The Emperor dying could be exactly that.

Thaanos wrote:Space Marines against Chaos

I hope you mean Chaos Daemons, in which case the space Marines shoiuld be Grey Knights (it's a sort of duh matchup)

If you mean Space Marines vs. Chaos Space Marines, then HELL THE FRAK NO.

Lost and the Damned vs. Ordo Hereticus

deathwing vs guard

I'd like to see Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

GK's

1 GKGM

10 Grey Knights
3 GK Terminators
1 GK Dreadnaught
1 Rhino


Daemons

1 Edipemius
1 Demon Prince

15 Plaguebearers
15 Nurglings
3 Beasts of Nurgle

The sides might be uneven as is, but you get the jist of it.

Thunderfrog wrote:I'd like to see Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

GK's

1 GKGM

10 Grey Knights
3 GK Terminators
1 GK Dreadnaught
1 Rhino


Daemons

1 Edipemius
1 Demon Prince

15 Plaguebearers
15 Nurglings
3 Beasts of Nurgle

The sides might be uneven as is, but you get the jist of it.

that'd only be good if the GK's had psycannons as well as a psycannon for the dreadnought

Indeed.

'Crons and Eldar, make a new Necron walker and that can be their vehicle.

Renagade guard vs guard

SaintHazard wrote:

Thaanos wrote:Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Well, to be fair, it's also strongly implied that the Golden Throne is failing and something very, very bad is about to happen to the Imperium. By the time the next edition comes out, the Imperium may no longer be the prevalent power in the galaxy.

And the Tau are growing at such a rate that it may in fact be them ruling over a large portion of it.

So, Tau vs something might make sense in that context.

I have a feeling GW is getting tired of the Imperium being the unstoppable juggernaut it is, and is trying to find a way to fragment it more than it already is. The Emperor dying could be exactly that.

once the 6th edition comes out and if most of the imperium has fallen I can see human hold outs in the galactic north=
starter set:
IG/SM vs CSM/Necrons

indiana1000 wrote:Renagade guard vs guard

Well, that'd be delightfully boring to assemble and paint, if not to play.

Are traitor/renegade Guard even in a codex? I've never seen them in one.


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raptor8 wrote:once the 6th edition comes out and if most of the imperium has fallen I can see human hold outs in the galactic north=
starter set:
IG/SM vs CSM/Necrons

Holdouts? Absolutely. A unified force? Not without Warp travel.

Though, that's why I said "fragmented," not "destroyed."

Necrons in a starter set wouldn't be bad... my only worry is that it wouldn't be interesting enough to paint to draw new players into the game. That's the wonderful thing about Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, Tau, and Tyranids. You've got a whole lot of awesome options for paint jobs and the opportunity to come up with your own if you're not happy with any of those. Necrons, to a much, much lesser degree.

That is why I do not have any Necrons.

Are they cool? Hell yes. Are they fun enough to paint that they'll draw in new players? Pft.

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Bottle wrote:Sisters of Battle vs Chaos Space Marines

Get John Blanche to do a front cover that's nothing but pure Grim Dark~

Coincide a new Witch Hunter/ Sisters of Battle codex with the release~

Perhaps the set will appeal to couples, dude gets the CSMs, Lady gets the Sisters. (Based 100% on the assumption that girls only like to play as SoB, but hey!?)

Set would consist of beautifully remodeled plastic sisters of battle, and would be the following:

SoB:

Captain & Retinue of crazy henchmen
2 squads of Sisters, 6 or so models
1 Immolator

CSM:

Sorcerer
2 squads of 5 marines
1 dreadnought

and the rest of the sprue space is devoted to as much cool gothic ruins they can fit in ^^

Something tells me that a starter set based on the assumption that all girls play Sisters and all guys want ultra-grimdarkness won't be as successful as GW might hope.

After all, look at previous starter sets. First impressions are lots of "Wow that looks cool." But with a fluffless rulebook and like two pages about each individual army... grimdark comes later.

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Bottle wrote:Everything you need to know about Grimdark would begin and end with John Blanche doing the front cover I think ;D


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oh, and my assumption for guys wasn't that they would want to be something like CSM, I figured they'd be happy to play as anything if their girlfriend was in on it too xD

Nahhhhh... I'm too much of a geek to play just any army just so I can get my girlfriend involved.

I've been trying for months to get her interested in 40k, but I will not go so far as to play what she wants me to play just so she'll join in!

'Course I may not be your average guy, so who knows.

Nids vs Necrons or Tau vs Space marines

I like SM versus CSM since that's what the origin of the Imperium fluff is all about anyways. Maybe call the set 'Heresy!' or something equally obvious.

AoBR was close. I would pay slightly more if I was a true beginner if it had actual playable armies and a army-list cost pamphlet included. Cardboard building rubble was a nice touch in 2nd ed. box. I'm sure people would pay $20 bucks more if it was an actual entirely self-contained game instead of just a jumping off point. Like Space Hulk is its own game, as was Necromunda and Blood Bowl. It would be kind of neat to get some very basic modelling supplies in there too.

Guitardian wrote:I like SM versus CSM since that's what the origin of the Imperium fluff is all about anyways. Maybe call the set 'Heresy!' or something equally obvious.

AoBR was close. I would pay slightly more if I was a true beginner if it had actual playable armies and a army-list cost pamphlet included. Cardboard building rubble was a nice touch in 2nd ed. box. I'm sure people would pay $20 bucks more if it was an actual entirely self-contained game instead of just a jumping off point. Like Space Hulk is its own game, as was Necromunda and Blood Bowl. It would be kind of neat to get some very basic modelling supplies in there too.

Well if GW ever needed an excuse to showcase Marines and nothing but Marines, there it is.

However, nothing but Marines makes for a very boring starter set.

That's why I like AoBR - it's a mixture of poster-boys and xenos, a small elite army versus a horde, jack-of-all-trades versus a heavily customizable army... it's the ideal mixture of the essence of 40k.

Marines versus Chaos Marines, though... would be a snoozefest.

The original "Space Marine" Epic Game was Marines vs Marines.

Anpu42 wrote:The original "Space Marine" Epic Game was Marines vs Marines.

And that's all fine and dandy, but I like to think 40k has evolved beyond that now.

Now GW has too many great options available to resort to Marines vs Marines to make sales.

indiana1000 wrote:Renagade guard vs guard

I second this. Imperial Guard vs Renegade PDF means that new players learn basic tactics and strategy as well as basic rules. Add in a "Renegade" plastic sprue and you can either have both a Loyalist and a Renegade army, or a big Loyalist army (trade the Renegade sprue to people going for the Renegade army). Call it a platoon or so each with company command squads, artillery (just a Heavy Mortar dismounted from a Griffin) and a psycker.

I just had a thought in another thread: It would be awesome if GW released a Daemon/Daemon Hunter starter set on Dec 22, 2012.

My dream set was already made. AoBR kicks ass!

Bottle wrote:SoB:

Captain & Retinue of crazy henchmen
2 squads of Sisters, 6 or so models
1 Immolator

... err, what? This isn't a legal list. Also, John Blanche is trash.

There is no "captain" in the codex... nor do Sisters have "crazy henchmen". Inquisitors do, but that is Inquisition, not Sisters (And therefor if you include them you are not playing a Sisters list). And Battle Sister Squads are 10 models minimum and would kinda suck with only six models (even with a 3+ save, they're still only GEQ in the majority of their stats).

i really think it should go into the order vs disorder concept with chaos (as the almost ultimate evil) against the imperial forcees. but i dont think the imperials should be marines, i think it should be IG since they are suppose to be much more numerous then space marines and are prob going to be the ones fighting any chaos assault.

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