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Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Wait, we're going for capturing the spirit of starter armies now?

Enlighten me... how does 20 Boyz and a few Deffkoptas capture the "spirit" of an endless green ocean of Orks? How does 29 Ork models against 17 Marines capture the "spirit" of the typical 15-to-1 outnumbering Marines face?

A 500 point Guard army need not be more than around 25 models if done correctly. It would fit in the box easily (easier than larger SM models that fit fewer to a sprue!) and it would aid new players in learning to play IG. That's all it needs.

Dream set: eldar vs.guard. Just to highlight the differences between the 2, ones horde shooty, ones elite hybrid. It would be as such:. Eldar:. A dire avenger squad banshees (to explain power weapons) wraithlord w. Shurikien cannon, brightlance n 2.flamers a farseer w. Singing spear n pistol and I guess a guardian squad. Guard:a vet. Squad w. 2 plasma weapons. Command squad. S 10 man shock tropper. Maybe throw in a leman russ regluar or a closed-top senitel and a flacon. Gonna be a big box lol.

I would be happy if they just put an HQ in all of the battleforces that would be nice.

The Box set should include Mini rules, templates, dice, and some basic terrain. It should include, an Inquisitor lord, a SM Tac squad, and an IG vet squad. The other army should be, CSM. the CSM should Include Korn berserkers and Noise marines, and a generic chaos lord. It should be called.

16 Black Crusade.

FUUUUDGE! wrote: Dream set: eldar vs.guard. Just to highlight the differences between the 2, ones horde shooty, ones elite hybrid. It would be as such:. Eldar:. A dire avenger squad banshees (to explain power weapons) wraithlord w. Shurikien cannon, brightlance n 2.flamers a farseer w. Singing spear n pistol and I guess a guardian squad. Guard:a vet. Squad w. 2 plasma weapons. Command squad. S 10 man shock tropper. Maybe throw in a leman russ regluar or a closed-top senitel and a flacon. Gonna be a big box lol.

That's not a legal IG list, only one Troops choice. Stormtroopers are Elites.

Unless by "shock trooper" you mean regular infantry, in which case you can't just have a squad of 10. They come in infantry platoons which are, minimum, a platoon command squad and 2 infantry squads of ten men each.

Try CCS, 2 vet squads with a smattering of special weapons, 3 Sentinels.

versus

Farseer, 10 Guardians, 8 Dire Avengers, Falcon.

How bout this one:
a few paints, cardboard buildings, little bits of plastic terrain (like those Necromunda walls for instance), brush, knife.
mini-rulebook, mini-fluff book, mini armylist-book

SM:
captain
5 scouts
10 tactical
dread

CSM:
prince
10 tactical
10 beserkers

that stuff might actually fit in a SpaceHulk sized box.

Guitardian wrote:How bout this one:
a few paints, cardboard buildings, little bits of plastic terrain (like those Necromunda walls for instance), brush, knife.
mini-rulebook, mini-fluff book, mini armylist-book

SM:
captain
5 scouts
10 tactical
dread

CSM:
prince
10 tactical
10 beserkers

that stuff might actually fit in a SpaceHulk sized box.

That would work. I don't like the idea of CSM and SM in the same set, but that's just personal preference.

I like the idea of the mini-armylist book and mini-fluff book. Terrain is also important, teaches newbies about cover.

I was thinking the Prince for psyker and MC rules, the scouts for sniper rules, the tac for a bit of heavy-weapons plus the obvious dakka and rapid fire-ness, the berserkers for learning assault, the dread to teach AV and 'walker'. The only thing missing is a tank... but as has been pointed out earlier, they can't really fit a tank in the box. The only problem with the idea is that they are both 3+ save, 4-accross-the-board armies, so newbies would get used to the more elite models as the average even more than they do already. (How many smurf players at your FLGS? around 50% or more? well... it is to be expected...)

Guitardian wrote:I was thinking the Prince for psyker and MC rules, the scouts for sniper rules, the tac for a bit of heavy-weapons plus the obvious dakka and rapid fire-ness, the berserkers for learning assault, the dread to teach AV and 'walker'. The only thing missing is a tank... but as has been pointed out earlier, they can't really fit a tank in the box. The only problem with the idea is that they are both 3+ save, 4-accross-the-board armies, so newbies would get used to the more elite models as the average even more than they do already. (How many smurf players at your FLGS? around 50% or more? well... it is to be expected...)

0%.

Dream set?

SM vs DE

Dark Eldar need the love. Stuck in the closet so long, hearing the sound of fun just outside. Now, if they return to 6th edition, when we last saw them in 3rd, we would welcome them back. So White scars vs Dark eldar would be a fluffy match up, could teaach about turbo boosting and skimmers, and combined you can get almost every weapon type in the game with that box.

DE won't happen (I hope). I hope they will go the way of the squats as they have always seemed an embarrassment to the game in my opinion. It won't happen because they already got a starter set, as have orks and nids. Given the codex creep it is much more likely to have either space-wolves or blood angels... versus whatever Xeno or Chaos power gets the next Codex upgrade (oops... update). Marines aren't the hot topic any more since SW and BA got released. Blood Angels/Space Wolves versus an upgraded Eldar or Tau or Necron codex would be kind of cool (and we poor happy few Xenos will finally get the update we need) It's not likely to happen for the Eldar as a GW spokesperson already said that their 'new' Codex, as well as the 'new' Tau Codex are in fact the 5th ed. Codex (despite the fact that the 5th ed. rules made a lot of nerf for both of them). No love there. Necrons on the other hand....?

Haddi wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Badab War boxed set. It would detail one battle between some of the traitors and the loyalists, so it would have specific sculpted shoulder pads. If this ever happened I would love to see Lamenters as one.
And it would have each chapter master as detailed in the badab war PDF 'dex.

SM vs Tau
dreadnought vs battlesuit

NewGuyWhoDontKnowAnything wrote:SM vs Tau
dreadnought vs battlesuit

Um.

I assume this pairing is in addition to some infantry, an HQ, and two more battlesuits, right?

The day we see a starter kit come with nothing but a single Dreadnought and a single Battlesuit, we'll know that 1) GW just doesn't give a gak anymore, but 2) they still love Space Marines!

Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Actually vets are pefectly fluffy. A vet-based army is representative of sending a detachment.

Melissia wrote:

Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Actually vets are pefectly fluffy. A vet-based army is representative of sending a detachment.

There's also my point regarding this, which he failed to address, but that's okay.

Mn.

Using detachments together is the basis for all Guard activities. In order to form a task force-- say, to take a hill the enemy is on, for example-- an Imperial Guard General would take elements from an Infantry Regiment, an Armored Regiment, and fire support from an Artillery regiment, and assign them each under the command of the general he/she trusts the most to get the job done.

Which ratios the general uses for their task forces (how much infantry, mechanized, armored, airborne, artillery, etc.) depends on what's available and the needs of the mission. So to defend a position, the commander would probably use more infantry and artillery, while to attack they'd probably use more armor.

How often do starter sets get released ?

From my guess? Once an edition at most.

I think Macragge was around for a good 5 years or so, if not more. I know it was around when I got back in which was about 5 years ago. Blackreach has been here only about 2 or 3 years so far. Before Macragge the 3rd ed. set (which I slept through) had a really long haul too. We're not likely to see one any time soon unless GW gets a move on updating all the races Codex... then as soon as you get your shiney new Codex, they'll change the rules again and start the cycle all over again. This pattern of game design timing seems to have worked for them so far.

The third edition one, IIRC, was dark eldar versus marines, or something to that effect.

Melissia wrote:The third edition one, IIRC, was dark eldar versus marines, or something to that effect.

correct if GW does go SM vs DE with out updating the DE codex. and if the do go SM v DE that just shows what GW will do for all starter sets

Well, it may not be realistic, but since we're talking about -dream- sets, I'd pick Witch Hunters and Chaos Daemons above all

--- Dreg

^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Really? Macragge lasted that long? That's crazy. That set was, IMO a piece of crap. They gave you almost no models, and they filled the rest of the box with those enourmous terrain pieces, which are useless for cover, since they're too short.

Black reach is a good set, but it could've been better if the orks were positioned more naturally and if the dreadnought was at a more "battle-ready" position (the AoBR dread is boring, he's just standing straight ahead).

Honestly, I could think of a bunch of different armies for orks and marines.

Marines:
Chaplain with plasma pistol
5 scouts, sniper rifles (just to mix it up and learn the rules)
10 marines, veteran with power sword
5 assault marines with one power sword and plasma pistol
Techmarine and thunderfire cannon (to learn the rules)

Orks:
Big mek with bosspole
x3 bikers with whatever on them
20 boys
x3 killa kans
something else, maybe meganobs or lootas or something.

Cardboard bunker
Citadel trees
Rulebook, fluff, blah,blah

Deffkoptas are cool, but bikes are cooler, since people always want a way to get cheaper bikes.
The dreadnought and terminators were a waste of points, IMO. Two elites choices is dumb under 1000 points, especially when you don't have 2 troops.

raptor8 wrote:^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Personally, I'd rather see IG versus Orks. That's what defines 40k to me.

I'd like to see a starter set without any miniatures at all. Wait...wait...hear me out...

For 6th edition, it should be 3 separate "starter sets":

Minimalist: Just the rules, the big heavy book.

Starter Set for New Players I: Something like AoBR w/ 2 races (Say Eldar and Tyranids, those would be easiest to do probably)

Starter Set for Established Gamers w/ Armies: A set for players who want to play an army other than the races featured in the Starter Set or already have miniatures. The expansion set is set at the same price point as the first starter set, but instead of miniatures, it includes terrain like Cities of Death style buildings and plastic craters. This would be good for people who usually game at an FLGS but want to start hosting games at home and need terrain.

Melissia wrote:

raptor8 wrote:^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Personally, I'd rather see IG versus Orks. That's what defines 40k to me.

ood point and that I think is most common match up in 40k

So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

Melissia wrote:So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

No.

I want a RULEBOOK. Not condensed. What part of "Big heavy book" made that seem condensed?

The "Terrain set" would be sold at the same pricepoint as the "actual starter set", the only difference being it contains terrain exclusively, templates, and the red measuring sticks. That's it. Because I wouldn't buy a "starter set" for 6th edition as I already have enough minis, but if it included terrain and the rules in a smaller book like AoBR, I would spend the money on it.