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I think Tau could be viable. Fire warriors, 3-part crisis suits, and hand full of kroot versus... tyranids?

Though 99% likelihood it will be SM vs xenos. (Although IG vs CSM would be a nice twist on the old SM vs flavor).

While I would LOVE an IG starter set, I think the problem is you need too many models for the points.

If the starter set doesn't have marines it they cant be gw poster boy, no 10 year olds will be starting with them!

how will gw make money then.......

Lord of battles wrote:If the starter set doesn't have marines it they cant be gw poster boy, no 10 year olds will be starting with them!

how will gw make money then.......

But if it was two horde armies, then all 10 year olds would get one of them, and GW would get even more money than
with Spess Mehreens!

Yak9UT wrote:IG vs Tau with 1 leman russ and 1 Hamerhead with 2 infantry and a HQ squad for both treams.

that would be awesome but saddly unlikely

QFT

^I agree but its always SM

I like the idea of multiple releases of starter armies... and if they were smart they could use them to pimp the release of new dex's, such as...

Eldar vs. Necrons
Sisters vs. Dark Eldar

and because we know they have have to have SM's in one...

SM vs. CSM

You're kind of playing up the traditional foes angle, though I'm just guessing at the sisters/dark eldar thing (they just seem to fit as adversaries).

To finish the pairings then... these are more for balance than tradition...

Orks vs. Nids
Tau vs. Guard

It's not like they really have to make new models for any of this (though they might), it's just re-packaging what they've produced already... and it would probably improve the overall meta game by diversifying the fan base for each army, increasing potential sales. Yes, the red-shirts will need to learn more rules... but is that a bad thing?


My totally biased, never going to happen, dream pairing would be Mantis Warrior SMs vs. Red Corsair CSMs. (a man can dream can't he?)

Let's see... assuming every single army gets a fifth edition codex first:

Grey Knights vs. Daemons

Guard vs. Orks

Tau vs. Tyranids

Space Marines vs. Dark Eldar

Eldar vs. Necrons

Sisters of Battle vs. Chaos Space Marines

Hi Gitsplitta
don't they adapt the figures though for the snap fit models in the starter sets?

I like the Tau/IG concept and might even be tempted by such a combo.

Also SoB/DE sounds good.

They should just do another DE v. SM. Hopefully DE will be coming out soon, so a Starter would help GW earn ALL that money back...

I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

I like the sounds of Sisters vs. Chaos
Great way to introduce new Raptor Models (if GW choses to...)

keezus wrote:IMO, In addition to the existing starter, they should make "scenario pack starters" where they'd bundle two fixed posed starter armies:

Battle for the Webway

Eldar:
Plastic Female Farseer
Plastic Guardians x10 w/ EML platform
Plastic Dire Avengers x5 w/ Shimmershield / Powersword Exarch
Plastic Wraithguard x5

Chaos:
Plastic Demon Prince
Plastic Thousand Sons w/ Sorceror x5
Plastic Summoned Daemons x10
Plastic Spawn

Terrain:
Plastic Webway portal Objective

Eye of the Swarm

Tyranids:
Plastic Broodlord
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Termigaunts x10
Plastic Lictor x2

Imperial Guard:
Plastic Comissar w/ Powerfist
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Ogryn x5

Terrain:
Tank Traps x3
Barricades x2

I like this idea alot. Essentially these packs can still be aimed at new players/starting players but at the same time they wouldn't limit players to starting out with marines. A fan of chaos or eldar could buy the battle for the webway pack, paint up the models and play some 40k with a friend. Other miniture games like D&D have similiar scenario packs and it always wondered why GW never really did the same. Besides battle boxes and starter packs, there really isn't anything. A black crusade scenario pack would be epic.

Or for a more radical twist- SM vs Traitor Guard.

SM could be your basic tac squad, commander, terminators and some dread or perhaps a 1 piece drop pod.

Traitors could be 2 squads of traitor guard, 2 CSM champs, a CSM leader and a vehicle or 2 or 3 smaller vehicles.

Considering just how many figures they put in the most recent starter set and the nature of the different types, I would like to see Necrons. This could coincide with the release of a new necron codex and put many of the metal models into plastic, or even include a new model!

1 necron lord
10 necron warriors
5 plastic immortals
1 plastic tomb spyder

It is highly unlikely that GW would even not include Space Marines in the starter set, but for the "good guy" force, I would like to see Tau. I feel that they would be a great match-up, the oldest race vs the youngest race.

1 new plastic crisis suit in forge-world design for HQ
12 fire warriors
5 stealth suits
2-3 piranhas

But if there HAS to be spaz marines, why not a mixed imperial force?

1 Inquisitor lord
4 man retinue
10 cadians including an autocannon
10 man deathwatch team (space marines)
something new and awesome beyond my imagination from the inquisition codex!

Necron Vs DE.

Both armies deserve the love. Both armies are also quite distinctive so new players get experience with very different playstyles.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

Seems like something to be saved for PMs, that added nothing to the thread. Forum e-flirting is lame by the way.

On topic:

Multiple starters is the way to go. These would be cool:

SM v DE

CSM v Tau

Guard v Orks

G.knights v Chaos deamons

I really like the idea of Guard in a set. Cool models and fluff, and attractive to anyone who likes the idea of a "real army." That and GW would make a lot of money after because Guard armies are a wee bit expensive to start up.

BUT! I like the idea even more of Grey Knights vs. Daemons. Introduce it with the new Grey Knights Codex, and you still have Space Marines, but they're fighting a very unique army, each with their own fun special rules. Fluffwise? Awesome. Modelwise? Awesome. Gameplay? Awesome.

So my top picks...
1. Grey Knigts vs. Daemons
2. Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids (Guard would likely to have to with Sentinels for vehicles so they'd fit in the box. But multilasers are great for killing TMCs... Tyranids should have Hive Tyrant, Gaunts, Carnifex, and maybe some Hive Guard.)

Haddi wrote:For me, dream starter set would be Tau v. Tyranids.

Not for in game reasons, I just like that matchup a lot.

I second this. Especially since I play Tau and my li`l brother plays Tyranids.

I think a Tau v... Orks maybe.

Tau need a new codex, which will result in new models, so new players can get theyre hands on the dumbed-down versions of some new models from the starter set

No idea what specifically should be in it, definitely atleast 500 pts aside, with neither side being OP points and gear wise, and fit into FOC.

Well, the idea behind starter sets is to 1) sell the game to potential new players and 2) get said players comfortable with the rules. So, for example, two lesser-known (to non-players) armies like DE vs Necrons won't necessarily sell GW's product.

Here's a radical idea that nobody's thought of yet:

=I= vs SM

OH LORD THE IMPERIUM IS FIGHTING ITSELF OH NO

Specifically, Sisters versus Relictors to make it fluffy (potentially).

It's possible, and it's happened. And not only does it show off GW's poster boys yet again, it also snags the potential player, who read about how both of these factions are supposedly on the same side.

"They're fighting themselves? How does THAT work?"

It's fluffy, it's catchy, it's potentially a fun match.

I'd quite like a modular starter kit - you get the basic rules + templates/etc in a sealed plastic wrapper, then you get to pick a starter force from any 2 armies which would have 1 HQ, 2 troops and perhaps 1 FA and a HS choice each.

And you get a discount on buying the armies codex's with the starter set too, if they are not already included in the starter set.

Any black crusade scenario box would cost alot

cadian guard

vs

CSM

Dracos wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

Seems like something to be saved for PMs, that added nothing to the thread. Forum e-flirting is lame by the way.

On topic:

Multiple starters is the way to go. These would be cool:

SM v DE

CSM v Tau

Guard v Orks

G.knights v Chaos deamons

Okay? Do feel good about yourself? I was just happy to see him posting again, he's a valuable member of Dakka, and I look forward to reading his posts. Who cares if it adds nothing to the thread? Who the hell are you?

I can't imagine it would be too far off for GW to do Space Marines and Chaos Daemons. They're pretty evil...But they have relatively complicated rules....Maybe too much for a starter set.

I can't really imagine them doing SM vs. Eldar though...I think they want to portray Eldar as the lesser evil of the Xenos. In other words, the good guys, so I doubt they'd do eldar. Two good guys fighting might as well be marines v marines.

I'd like to think IG v Chaos woud be the next one, but I think i'm kidding myself if i think it wont include SM's

10 CSM's
5 Raptors
Deamon Prince

20 guardsmen
LRBT

If it had to be SM's I'd like SM's v Eldar

Looking at the way Privateer does it maybe this could make sense:

For each army have a starter box, fixed pose one piecers i.e.

Marines
2 Tac squads
1 Captain
1 Assault Squad

Tau
2 sqs Fire Warriors
1 Battle suit
Stealth suits

Orks
1 Warboss
30 Boyz
5 Nobz

Basically HQ 2 Troops and something else that only that army gets about 300 pts.

You sell this seperatly with a really striped down army list (i.e. stats and army special rules thats it)

Then you do a deal where you get any two of these, a bit of scenery and the mini rule book.

They'd get the needed mileage out of plastic kits and it would stop shoehorning newbies into the starter armies, they could actually go for what they think is cool.

Just my crazy scheme is all

Emmkay wrote:Looking at the way Privateer does it maybe this could make sense:

For each army have a starter box, fixed pose one piecers i.e.

Marines
2 Tac squads
1 Captain
1 Assault Squad

Tau
2 sqs Fire Warriors
1 Battle suit
Stealth suits

Orks
1 Warboss
30 Boyz
5 Nobz

Basically HQ 2 Troops and something else that only that army gets about 300 pts.

You sell this seperatly with a really striped down army list (i.e. stats and army special rules thats it)

Then you do a deal where you get any two of these, a bit of scenery and the mini rule book.

They'd get the needed mileage out of plastic kits and it would stop shoehorning newbies into the starter armies, they could actually go for what they think is cool.

Just my crazy scheme is all

Sounds good, but I was gonna say this is just like a small battleforce!

I was going to say, just point the newbie at their preferred army's battleforce and call it a day, but the poster above me beat me to it.

And that is why emmkay's idea isn't bad... it's just kind of already doable.

But expensive.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mine would be....Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. A wraithlord, dire avengers and something else for the eldar (Maybe a plastic avatar and guardians), and a plastic Daemon Prince, Chaos Dreadnought, Chaos Marines and obliterators.

I would have to second this opinion.

*My* dream starter force? With no grounding in reality? Really?

Slann vs. Squats

They ticked me off when they dropped the Slann from 2nd edition, I had already converted an entire warband from WFB models. Then they really ticked me off when they dropped the Squats from 3rd edition, because I had a whole army by that time. Of course, there was a really nice Citadel Journal article nicely explaining how to use Codex: Orks to field your Squats in 3rd, so that worked for me for quite a while, but still...

Realistically, since Space Marines will *always* be there, I would like the aggressor force to be Eldar.