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They already sell the full rulebook, and they're not gonna stop doing that (duh), so I assumed you were talking about something... you know... actually different, and relevant... like them selling a condensed rulebook which is nothing but the rules, no fluff or hobby section (unlikely to happen I think, but I know people who'd definitely like that).

Dark Eldar versus Tyranids

Meh, just stick a character in the Battleforces/Battalions.

But for a starter? A better Marines V Tyranids, that isn't stacked in the Marine's favor. So like, 1 Tactical, a Dread with Assault Cannon, Captain, and 5 Assault Marines.

'Nids could have a Hive Tyrant, 15 Termigaunts, 12 Genestealers, and 3 Warriors.

Wait, have GW ever released a starter set that wasn't biased towards Marines?

I never bought it, but wasn't Maccragge pretty even?

Chaos Vs anything just because i want more chaos

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Melissia wrote:So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

No.

I want a RULEBOOK. Not condensed. What part of "Big heavy book" made that seem condensed?

The "Terrain set" would be sold at the same pricepoint as the "actual starter set", the only difference being it contains terrain exclusively, templates, and the red measuring sticks. That's it. Because I wouldn't buy a "starter set" for 6th edition as I already have enough minis, but if it included terrain and the rules in a smaller book like AoBR, I would spend the money on it.

I believe he was talking to me, actually

I don't think it's unreasonable to throw in the cardboard buildings. The trees are really small, they'd fit no problem.

If the set really came with all the stuff I listed, I'd be more than happy to spend a lot of money on it (ie,more than 90$). I own barely any terrain, I'd be happy to get some with the models.


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battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I never bought it, but wasn't Maccragge pretty even?

It was roughly even, but it barely had any models in it. It had like 25 tyranids and only 10 marines. The set seem to really just be a spotlight for the tyranids, which had actually useful stuff.

Samus, I see what you're saying. Second edition came with a ton of cardboard terrain, whereas Third was the first to come with plastic terrain in the starter set. The problem was, you didn't really get enough. You got two pieces of 90 degree ruined building, a couple tank traps, and a tree sprue. This isn't really enough to play a proper game. What I'd really like to see is a starter set, minus all of the miniatures (for those of us who don't, and never will, play Dark Eldar or Space Marines, in the case of 3rd edition...), but with REAL terrain. Some Cities of Death stuff, the new trees, stuff like that.

I truly believe that the reason that most new players end up choosing Space Marines is because they end up with all of the minis when they buy the boxed set, and nearly every starter set has come with Space Marine minis. I missed out on 4th edition, but 2nd, 3rd, and 5th (if you count AoBR as a starter set) all contained Space Marines. By including only the rulebook and the terrain, you're increasing your target audience. Now it's marketed towards new players who may not want one of the two races featured in the set, but also to veteran players who could always use a little bit more terrain.

I don't know, I'd rather have a ton of terrain than another damn Tactical Squad.

Guardsmen Hoard vs Ork Hoard. win.

Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

And of course offer all five to the ambitious new player, for a nominal fee.

SaintHazard wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

And of course offer all five to the ambitious new player, for a nominal fee.

What, no if you want all five you have to buy two boxes, obviously

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Samus, I see what you're saying. Second edition came with a ton of cardboard terrain, whereas Third was the first to come with plastic terrain in the starter set. The problem was, you didn't really get enough. You got two pieces of 90 degree ruined building, a couple tank traps, and a tree sprue. This isn't really enough to play a proper game. What I'd really like to see is a starter set, minus all of the miniatures (for those of us who don't, and never will, play Dark Eldar or Space Marines, in the case of 3rd edition...), but with REAL terrain. Some Cities of Death stuff, the new trees, stuff like that.

I truly believe that the reason that most new players end up choosing Space Marines is because they end up with all of the minis when they buy the boxed set, and nearly every starter set has come with Space Marine minis. I missed out on 4th edition, but 2nd, 3rd, and 5th (if you count AoBR as a starter set) all contained Space Marines. By including only the rulebook and the terrain, you're increasing your target audience. Now it's marketed towards new players who may not want one of the two races featured in the set, but also to veteran players who could always use a little bit more terrain.

I don't know, I'd rather have a ton of terrain than another damn Tactical Squad.

Necromunda managed to fit a cross between cardboard and plastic terrain in with enough figures to legally play the game on a decent board, as did space hulk. Screw little trees and stuff they take up too much room and, seriously folks, if you can't figure out cheap ways to make terrain (i.e. spraypaint and glue on household junk or backyard sticks n stones) you really shouldn't be modelling anything in the first place. Pick a twig off a nearby bush and sprah it with flock and shelac, stick it in a lump of flocked playdough and you got a nice tabletop tree. They don't need to include trees in the set... too much space... and anyone can make their own trees. Cardboard terrain like 2nd ed. would be a nice thing to bring back. Yeah it's just silly cardboard buildings (they also had a cardboard oky dread) but that at least gets noobies into ideas of how to construct their own. Oh... wait... never mind... that would reduce the amount of redundant city ruin sets they can sell.

A Horus Heresy Starter Set.
To make it realistic it could jus be a squad each of the big players in the Heresy. Id also like a couple throw back (pre-Heresy) armor sets.

nids vs orks cause i like both

Grey Knights vs LATD

realistically?

Space Marines vs CSM

Assuming SM as one of the armies, which makes sense, you're really pretty restricted in the options for the other force. It shouldn't be chaos (meq on meq), IG/inquisition (imperium civil war), and shouldn't be other marines (boring).

that leaves Necrons, Tau, Orks, DE, Eldar,Nids, and Demons. Demons are a little too wacky with their rules, and Necrons are also MEQs. Personally, I like Orks or Nids as the bad guys. Very different from Marines, have a diverse range they can use, horde v. elite, all that.

If we're allowed to pull marines out, I think that there are ton of cool options, like Sisters v. Chaos or IG v. Eldar. I just don't think leaving Marines out of the box is in any way a viable option.

Polonius wrote:Assuming SM as one of the armies, which makes sense, you're really pretty restricted in the options for the other force. It shouldn't be chaos (meq on meq), IG/inquisition (imperium civil war), and shouldn't be other marines (boring).

that leaves Necrons, Tau, Orks, DE, Eldar,Nids, and Demons. Demons are a little too wacky with their rules, and Necrons are also MEQs. Personally, I like Orks or Nids as the bad guys. Very different from Marines, have a diverse range they can use, horde v. elite, all that.

If we're allowed to pull marines out, I think that there are ton of cool options, like Sisters v. Chaos or IG v. Eldar. I just don't think leaving Marines out of the box is in any way a viable option.

Daemons are also arguably MEqs. Statlines are a little wonkier but if you take all four basic Troops and average out their stats you'll get an MEq.

And I see no issue with an Imperial civil war... especially since there are whispers of the Golden Throne failing. By next edition, the Emperor could be dead, and at that point I'd say anything goes.