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Rap used to be good,but now it all about balck guys yelling curse words and saing the n word every 2 seconds,thats why i listen to metal now.

I don't hate rap. In fact, I listen to it now and then (although, very selectively). I prefer nerdcore and guys like deltron or atmosphere to mainstream rap though.

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good? bad? these are subjective, the only measure of worth is popularity.

see: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1755

Slarg232 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Congratulations on being able to find an 18 year old song by one of the most well known musicians in history (ozzy). And yes, all fear my glorious ego.

Actually, for one who loves to get his facts 100% correct, your wrong, that songs by Lita, not Ozzy. Don't worry, researching is hard for me, too.

He sings for half the song and is credited more often in the video you posted. Theres one person singing in that song which makes it popular, and it definitely isn't Lita.

I quite like eminem

Honestly the only genre of music I could go so far as hate, no despise is country.

Rap just isn't my style and the majority of the people that listen to rap I could really care less about.

Any idiot can make rymes about "beating dat' bish", "Dealin' da' powder", and "Shootin' up' thugz". And it seems they all do.

I prefer music that takes talent.

I prefer music that takes talent.

Which is?

If you really need a list, that says quite a bit about you already.

Of course, if you're just asking for the sake of trying to be irritating, it's kind of backfiring on you.

metallifan wrote:Any idiot can make rymes about "beating dat' bish", "Dealin' da' powder", and "Shootin' up' thugz". And it seems they all do.

Yeah, but it takes talent to present those rhymes in a way which is creative, rhythmic, and tonally pleasing.

If you really need a list, that says quite a bit about you already.

Or I'm just uncertain someone with the words metal then fan in their name are in a position to truly judge the worth of other music genres.

Of course, if you're just asking for the sake of trying to be irritating, it's kind of backfiring on you.

I'm not being irritating?

Blurting them out at high speed to a bass beat is hardly pleasing. And I wouldn't call being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, then trying to market it as music, "Creative".

ShumaGorath wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Congratulations on being able to find an 18 year old song by one of the most well known musicians in history (ozzy). And yes, all fear my glorious ego.

Actually, for one who loves to get his facts 100% correct, your wrong, that songs by Lita, not Ozzy. Don't worry, researching is hard for me, too.

He sings for half the song and is credited more often in the video you posted. Theres one person singing in that song which makes it popular, and it definitely isn't Lita.

That's like saying Chad Kroeger/kroaker (whatever his name is from nickelback) is what makes Into the Night by Santana good. And anyway, Lita Ford is just as much of a Metal God(dess) as Ozzy.

metallifan wrote:Blurting them out at high speed to a bass beat is hardly pleasing.

You're already using loaded language there, few fans would use the term "blurting".

And I wouldn't call being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, then trying to market it as music, "Creative".

Not all are.

ShumaGorath wrote:

If you really need a list, that says quite a bit about you already.

Or I'm just uncertain someone with the words metal then fan in their name are in a position to truly judge the worth of other music genres.

Actually, I quite enjoy Blues, Jazz, Cultural, -some- country artists and punk bands, rock, and -dare I say- Classical.

Of course, if you're just asking for the sake of trying to be irritating, it's kind of backfiring on you.

I'm not being irritating?

Grambo wrote:Rap used to be good,but now it all about balck guys yelling curse words and saing the n word every 2 seconds,thats why i listen to metal now.

Which is all about white guys yelling and saying the F word every 2 seconds...

Not much difference really...

metallifan wrote:Blurting them out at high speed to a bass beat is hardly pleasing. And I wouldn't call being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, then trying to market it as music, "Creative".

So you don't listen to hip-hop and are therefore unqualified to offer a reasonable opinion with respect to it. Thank you for illustrating the manner in which people will use their emotions to attempt to replace actual knowledge.

Seriously, there's more to hip-hop than 50 cent. Just like there's more to rock than Nickleback, and more to Country than Toby Keith.

metallifan wrote:Actually, I quite enjoy Blues, Jazz, Cultural, -some- country artists and punk bands, rock, and -dare I say- Classical.

I enjoy Opera. Yeah, feel bad about your classical now.

CT GAMER wrote:

Grambo wrote:Rap used to be good,but now it all about balck guys yelling curse words and saing the n word every 2 seconds,thats why i listen to metal now.

Which is all about white guys yelling and saying the F word every 2 seconds...

Not much difference really...

Actually you've got Death Metal. And that's -if- you can even hear the lyrics. Most of the time it's just screeching into the mic.

I'll stick with my thrashmetal. Because you can actually hear the lyrics.


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dogma wrote:

metallifan wrote:Blurting them out at high speed to a bass beat is hardly pleasing. And I wouldn't call being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, then trying to market it as music, "Creative".

So you don't listen to hip-hop and are therefore unqualified to offer a reasonable opinion with respect to it. Thank you for illustrating the manner in which people will use their emotions to attempt to replace actual knowledge.

I never said anything bad about hip-hop. Technically, that's an entirely different Genre. Before you go off trying to insult me, at least try to get -that- right. Can you do that for us?

Slarg232 wrote:

metallifan wrote:Actually, I quite enjoy Blues, Jazz, Cultural, -some- country artists and punk bands, rock, and -dare I say- Classical.

I enjoy Opera. Yeah, feel bad about your classical now.

Fine, I will. But if I cry myself to sleep tonight, know that it was your fault!

Good grief, this thread has turned to crap, I see one guy actually giving valid arguments in defense of a genre while everybody else sees fit to just hide behind the great big wall of ignorance.
Also, anything can sound bad if you overgeneralize it.

metallifan wrote:
I never said anything bad about hip-hop. Technically, that's an entirely different Genre. Before you go off trying to insult me, at least try to get -that- right. Can you do that for us?

Rap isn't a genre, its a technique, and the primary vocal element element of hip-hop. The fact that you believe otherwise is further evidence to me that you have no clue.

In any case, I'm not insulting you, I'm making a factual statement regarding your perception of the hip-hop genre vis a vis rap. If you believe that rap is only about bass and rhyming, then you have no idea what you're talking about, and cannot be regarded as having any knowledge of the subject matter. An analogous statement would be that metal is only about screaming and power chords.

An analogous statement would be that metal is only about screaming and power chords.

And devil worship!

ShumaGorath wrote:

An analogous statement would be that metal is only about screaming and power chords.

And devil worship!

That goes without saying.

CT GAMER wrote:

Grambo wrote:Rap used to be good,but now it all about balck guys yelling curse words and saing the n word every 2 seconds,thats why i listen to metal now.

Which is all about white guys yelling and saying the F word every 2 seconds...

Not much difference really...

I have to disagree. It really does depend on which band you listen to. Some of them are truly awful but there are a lot of good ones. 36 Crazyfists for one. The City Ignites is a beautiful song imp.

But thats the thing IMO

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I like hip hop, not rap....there is a keen difference.....rap is on the radio, hip hop isn't (unless you live in an awesome place like Seattle with underground hip hop stations). Here's a tip for whoever said they have no choice because it's on the radio....turn it off...

I love real hip hop...a large part of real hip hop heavily samples jazz, soul, and funk, from the 70s and 80s....I love the music too, more than anything, so it all kind of fits...

VikingScott wrote:

I have to disagree. It really does depend on which band you listen to. IMO

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Exactly, that was my point.

Overgeneralizing is the sign of a weak argument, and that has been 99.9% of this thread.

I am not a fan of rap/hip hop per se, however I am also not a fan of over-generalizing statements.

Commercial music as a whole is formula driven, contrived, and market focused, and likewise most music fans have a myopic view of music rooted in their own taste biases, limited exposure to music outside their genre of choice and their assumption that what they hear on the radio represents quality examples of any given genre.

"Music fans" are derisive and narrow minded by nature when it comes to music discussion, and this tread has clearly demonstrated that fact.

Fact is, if there is a market for something it will get recorded and sold while quality artists pushing creative limits, blending genres, innovating the use of technology and song writing, etc. for the most part will never get heard on the radio because they don't fit into marketable categories or whatever the flavor of the moment is, and that goes for rap, rock, metal, country and just about any genre...

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I just hate bad rap.
... 50 Cent ... all have songs I like.

Oh, the irony. IMO, "fiddy" can't rap his way out of a damp paper sack. He just doesn't flow. Half the time he sounds like he's forgetting the "lyrics" and just mumbling.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:MUSIC SNOBBERY FTW!!!

CT GAMER wrote:
"Music fans" are derisive and narrow minded by nature when it comes to music discussion, and this tread has clearly demonstrated that fact.

CT GAMER wrote:
while quality artists pushing creative limits, blending genres, innovating the use of technology and song writing, etc.

PLEASE listen to the band I linked to on the previous page. Not only will you be helping out my home towns' music industry, but you will freakin' LOVE the stuff, if you're in to competent blending of genres.