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My mommy said I was a beautiful unique snowflake.

Shadowbrand wrote:My mommy said I was a beautiful unique snowflake.

Everything you have been told is a lie.

JFizzle51 wrote:I've looked at lots of forums and posts and i came to the conclusion that at least 90% of the people here hate rap. And i just want to know... why?

90% of the people here are white as Wonder bread - it's not their music, it's not for them, so why should they like it?

In the same vein, I bet 90% of the rap community would hate GW games, if they knew what it was.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

JFizzle51 wrote:I've looked at lots of forums and posts and i came to the conclusion that at least 90% of the people here hate rap. And i just want to know... why?

90% of the people here are white as Wonder bread - it's not their music, it's not for them, so why should they like it?

In the same vein, I bet 90% of the rap community would hate GW games, if they knew what it was.

Offcourse they would, It requires intelligents, har har

JohnHwangDD wrote:

JFizzle51 wrote:I've looked at lots of forums and posts and i came to the conclusion that at least 90% of the people here hate rap. And i just want to know... why?

90% of the people here are white as Wonder bread - it's not their music, it's not for them, so why should they like it?

In the same vein, I bet 90% of the rap community would hate GW games, if they knew what it was.

Dass racis'.

There's good and there's bad. Violent gangsters, female exploitation and gratuitous displays of wealth is generally what I would call bad. No difference if it's a farce, because I presume it is anyway... unless of course it's Yankovich.

The music is sometimes ok. Mostly the older stuff.

Violent gangsters

'Mack the Knife' by Frank Sinatra.

Female exploitation

'Cherry Pie' by Warrant.

Gratuitous displays of wealth

'Money, Money, Money' by Abba.

how about... because the music itself usually is primitive drum machine loop with dumb funny noise in background and repetative baseline, and most of them are just talking gak about how cool they are with a thin veil of social edumacationism?

Seems a no-brainer to me that a bunch of geeky types with astute minds would not be fond of it. However, why is it that many members of dakka like really bad cheesy metal either? oh yeah... cuz they have demons and warriors with spikes and stuff like that on their album covers and talk about death and destruction all the time... The stuff of adolescent nerdy white male dreams (well... the ones that arent about boobs anyways)

Guitardian wrote:how about... because the music itself usually is primitive drum machine loop with dumb funny noise in background and repetative baseline, and most of them are just talking gak about how cool they are with a thin veil of social edumacationism?

Seems a no-brainer to me that a bunch of geeky types with astute minds would not be fond of it. However, why is it that many members of dakka like really bad cheesy metal either? oh yeah... cuz they have demons and warriors with spikes and stuff like that on their album covers and talk about death and destruction all the time... The stuff of adolescent nerdy white male dreams (well... the ones that arent about boobs anyways)

You're basically discounting anything that isn't an instrumental melody with a harmonic background as non-music. Old school hip-hop always concentrated on rhymes and patterns in lyrics. Sampling is also part of the music. It isn't done randomly, but for a desired sound or effect.

Albatross wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

JFizzle51 wrote:I've looked at lots of forums and posts and i came to the conclusion that at least 90% of the people here hate rap. And i just want to know... why?

90% of the people here are white as Wonder bread - it's not their music, it's not for them, so why should they like it?

In the same vein, I bet 90% of the rap community would hate GW games, if they knew what it was.

Dass racis'.

The existence of passive racism doesn't mean I'm wrong about the underlying basis.

Albatross wrote:

Violent gangsters

'Mack the Knife' by Frank Sinatra.

Female exploitation

'Cherry Pie' by Warrant.

Gratuitous displays of wealth

'Money, Money, Money' by Abba.

I'm not going to say I think Sinatra was a great man. He could sing. Good on him. Better then your average auto-tuned pop-rap crap-rag.

Guitardian wrote: and most of them are just talking gak about how cool they are with a thin veil of social edumacationism?

best word ever

Guitardian wrote:how about... because the music itself usually is primitive drum machine loop with dumb funny noise in background and repetative baseline, and most of them are just talking gak about how cool they are with a thin veil of social edumacationism?

Seems a no-brainer to me that a bunch of geeky types with astute minds would not be fond of it. However, why is it that many members of dakka like really bad cheesy metal either? oh yeah... cuz they have demons and warriors with spikes and stuff like that on their album covers and talk about death and destruction all the time... The stuff of adolescent nerdy white male dreams (well... the ones that arent about boobs anyways)

No.

Old school rap hip hop all the way brothers! I just love to get down to some LL cool J or Big L maybe even some of my fave jazzy jeff and the fresh prince 'cos you know that boy ain't gonna beat mike Tyson!

Arctik_Firangi wrote:There's good and there's bad. Violent gangsters, female exploitation and gratuitous displays of wealth is generally what I would call bad. No difference if it's a farce, because I presume it is anyway... unless of course it's Yankovich.

The music is sometimes ok. Mostly the older stuff.

Sometimes that stuff is great though.

I can dig Ice Cube or Deltron + Automator or Ultramagnetic but they are very few and rare, and often products of a producer ("Dan the Automator" did Prince Pauls album for instance, and the Gorrillaz...) . Producers produce products. That isn't too hard to understand when you look at the products they produce. There's a reason Eminem was such a hit. Hit producer was smart, and had been successful in his early years too because he knew NOT to write the same cliche crap everyone else was spouting and kind of up the ante on lyrics, while leaving the music as just a bump beat.

Why listen to some in-yo-face multi-millionaire fake gang-bang I-got-shot-I'm-cool gangsta stringing together silly rhymes about life in da ghetto when you could be listening to the great works of art of Led Zeppelin, Paul Simon, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Lynyrd Skynyrd, ... the list goes on.

I don't necessarily hate rap or hip-hop, I just prefer real music
I do hate its influence on teenagers, however. When I was 16, I used to have respect for others. These days, many kids will just as well hit you as talk to you, and most of those have adopted the ghetto-style "us-against-them" crap taught to them by their rapper idols. I've yet to see metalheads beating the gak out of people 'because they can' - most I've met were just perfectly normal and polite. Sadly, I can't say that of some pseudo-gangstas I've met...

This is what I mean:

I just don't like rap. I was a cop was during the height of the cop killer rap phase and every two bit punk thought he was a gangster that wanted to blast a po po. Rap never recovered from those days and now all of it is pure garbage. It is amazing how much people change when the blue lights are behind them and they are being told to get out of the car and walk back to the sound of my voice.

Shadowbrand wrote:My mommy said I was a beautiful unique snowflake.

Kinda small, sorry.

Though I'm very picky, I have a profound love for some underground Hip-Hop.

I listen to Aesop Rock religiously. The Living Human Curiousity Sideshow (A book containing all of his lyrics) is akin to my Bible. His mastery of the English language is unmatched (even amongst authors and poets), especially his understanding of wordplay, metaphorical speech, and his knowledge of colloquialisms and society (of any time period or locale) in general. He speaks of topics that anyone could relate to in such a way that no one could really disagree with him, and best of all, he speaks the message of a layman in the words of a prodigy. His ability to spit is also fairly ridiculous, and before he started producing his own beats, Blockhead layed down some of the best beats in Hip-Hop for Aesop Rock specifically.

I'm not really a big fan of his newer music, because he kind of ran out of message and substituted it for prowess, and the quality of his music sank incredibly low in comparison to his early work, where there was a message and a metaphor contained in every second. He also got pretty hung up on drugs and being better than everyone else, which I respected him for not doing. He used to be one of the few that broke the mold pretty much entirely. Despite doing drugs myself, I really couldn't give less of a feth about hearing about it in a song, as I find that really low-brow and unintelligent.

To anyone who doubts that there is such a thing as 'good rap', or for those of you who haven't yet heard Aesop Rock, definitely do yourself a favor and seek out his albums 'Float' and 'Labor Days'. I'm not sure if he'd be as relevant to folks over seas, as he makes blindingly fast references to American culture and upbringing, but it's definitely worth a shot. There are entirely too many good songs to possibly name any of them in particular. No one song could do him justice. Just know that you should never trust the internet for Aesop Rock lyrics; I have never found a single entry that's completely correct.

There is a painfully obvious answer to this question.

Demographic.

There will always be outliers, but as a majority, gamers are pastey white boys who like what they consider "music" at the other end of the spectrum.

Oh, ya'll should look up the Real Stephen Hawking. great stuff.

Ktulhut wrote: but has anyone brought up the difference between rap and hip-hop? It's actually quite noteable when you listen long enough.

it's all hip hop. you just have to trust me on this. it's all hip hop. your statement is akin to saying 'hey, you ever notice the difference between space marines and 40k?'

hip hop has gone downhill a bit, but there's still some really talented guys out there. i listen to a tonne of hip hop still, but like any genre, if you're judging it based on what you hear on commercial radio, that's like only eating at mcdonalds and saying you don't like beef.

mostly, anyone condemning something out of hand (which is often done with music) at the end of the day typically is just the result of ignorance and close-mindedness, first because it's a question of taste, which there's no accounting for, second, because it betrays a lack of appreciation for talent in the particular genre, and third, it ignores the lessons of history.

producing good beats, writing witty rhymes and lyrics that people can identify with (and they do), and delivering them in a syncopated way such as is done hip hop with timing and flow isn't hard. it's *fething* hard and deserves respect because rapping, the act of telling a story, basically, in its elemental state is an extremely old tradition, dating back in western culture to at least chaucer's time, when lyric poets would entertain the courts with clever, funny, or witty verses. if you want to go back even further, you can look at the oral traditions of many cultures, and how many of their works included rhyme because of its mnemonic qualities. so, rapping possibly goes back thousands of years.

it's pretty hilarious to hear people take cracks at rappers then go on to talk about how great a pop star from the 60s or 70s was. musicians have been in the business of selling for hundreds of years. it's the same thing put in a different box. there's real things in the world to get concerned about, like, i dunno. darfur. rampant starvation and suffering. here, check out K'naan's 'what's hardcore' for an idea of what a real problem might be <3



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JohnHwangDD wrote:

JFizzle51 wrote:I've looked at lots of forums and posts and i came to the conclusion that at least 90% of the people here hate rap. And i just want to know... why?

90% of the people here are white as Wonder bread - it's not their music, it's not for them, so why should they like it?

if you've ever produced art of any sort, especially for money, you would know that the process of creating art as a job has to do, in part, with knowing your audience. but art also is about the artist and their process, without which the work would never occur. so, in both respects, your statement is wrong.

but don't take my word for it. see david bayles and ted orland's 'art and fear', or margaret atwood's 'negotiating with the dead'

rhyming witty with (gakky) is pretty witty innity? yo. My metaphore of saying "LIKE" between two words must be heard for it's so witty I got knowledge yall. Knowledge like college yall, except I didn't go I was too busy bustin the city fo blunts yall, hittin them (witches) yall, rhymin yall with wall that gettin pissed on by my ([see forum posting rules]) yall...


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Yeah the power of well intended metaphor is so intellectually staggering.


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and I didn't even have to spend a week in jail to come up with that!