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2010/07/23 22:56:17
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
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I'm not very selective about my music. I can listen to Beethoven one second, then switch to Dido or Nickelback or (some) Eminmen the next. ...I even have a Gaga song on my Ipod.
HOWEVER, listening to Tupac and 50cent is, to me, similar to having just realised that you have stepped in a giant dog turd.
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2010/07/24 05:10:15
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2010/07/24 06:53:32
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Emperors Faithful wrote:I'm not very selective about my music. I can listen to Beethoven one second, then switch to Dido or Nickelback
NICKELBACK!?
If i have to name one band i hate more than any other, its fething nickelback.
I dont like modern rap very much either, but id rather listen to fitty cent shagging my mother than listen to fething nickelback!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/07/24 10:07:30
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
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Really? I listen to it on my Ipod when boxing, really gets me going. More so than any Metal bands or whatever.
Buut...I am probably the youngest Powderfinger fan out there. Can't wait till their gig comes up here...normal isn't on my agenda.
If we cannot agree on Nickelback, good sir, might we at least find some common ground and agree that Ke$ha is worse than anything one might care to mention? Yes...even Justin Bieber.
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
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2010/07/24 10:46:34
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/07/24 11:08:45
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I am slightly surprised that no one has brought up Saul Williams yet as a break in the general lyrical content of the vast majority of rap. His music usually leans more to the political side or pointing out what is wrong with society.
The next three Songs were also produced by Trent Reznor. Some of you metal people just might have heard of him. some of the background music sounds like outtakes from NIN.
I totally love the following lines from the song.
Would Jesus Christ come back American? What if he’s Iraqi and here again? You’d have to finally face your fears, my friend? Who’s gonna hold your hand when that happens?
To find new meaning in your freedom when your freedom kills.
This song just has a smooth flow and grove.
He also remixed a NIN track off of Year Zero by adding vocals to what was just an instrumental which I honestly feel made it a much better starter for the album.
The messiah's an immigrant detained at the border Severed from his trinity, his wife, and his daughter
I play...
2010/07/25 23:14:46
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
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2010/07/26 13:56:02
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I don't dislike all hip-hop at all. In fact, I often turn on Rhapsody and listen to Too Short while I'm painting. I particularly find the albums "Chase the Cat" and " You Nasty" to be both lyrically amusing and musically interesting.
I don't necessarily agree that good or bad is entirely subjective, but I don't believe you can say an entire genre is bad arbitrarily. However, if nothing was bad or good, why practice anything at all to be better at it? I think hip-hop is music in every sense of the word. Its rhyming poetry set to a background beat. Whether or not you agree with or even understand the subject material is immaterial.
For instance, I don't particularly care for Saul Williams, as he's a bit too "arty" for my taste, but he's undoubtedly good.
2010/07/26 16:45:27
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Grignard wrote: I don't dislike all hip-hop at all. In fact, I often turn on Rhapsody and listen to Too Short while I'm painting. I particularly find the albums "Chase the Cat" and " You Nasty" to be both lyrically amusing and musically interesting.
Try some Digital Underground. Same era as Too Short with a lot of Funk sound to them. Their second Album "Sons of the P" is one of my all time favorite albums and something I go to whenever I need to get back into a good mood. It is very heavily influenced by Parliament and Funkadelic
For instance, I don't particularly care for Saul Williams, as he's a bit too "arty" for my taste, but he's undoubtedly good.
\a fair assessment about Saul... he does trend towards artsyness. I like his sound though and the fact that his stuff does radically shift from the standard content of most current rap. I really must thank NIN and Trent for bringing him to my attention. I just regret that I did not get to the venue in time to see him when he was opening for NIN in 2005.
Here's a little exercise for the people who try to claim that lyrics over a beat is not music. does that mean that this is not music?
I think Jack White would disagree with you.
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2010/07/26 18:00:08
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I just don't care for the genre. It doesn't do anything for me. I wouldn't call it hate. I dislike getting punched in the junk enough to call that hate. But rap hate? nah. You listen to what you want and I'll do the same.
On that note, I'll keep my Johnny Cash turned down so it doesn't disturb you if you do the same with your music.
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mattyrm wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:I'm not very selective about my music. I can listen to Beethoven one second, then switch to Dido or Nickelback
NICKELBACK!?
Agreed. Nickelback replaced Creed for the musical group on the List of All Things Crappy and Redundant List.
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2010/07/27 02:38:35
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I have absolutely no problem with rap. And, IMHO you CAN make a decent rap song about dealing drugs ('Dopeman' by NWA), gang violence ('Bang Bang' by Dr. Dre) or overall criminal attitude ('Inside Job' by Xzibit). Just the other day I noticed that half of the music I listen is rap. The other half is Lynyrd Skynyrd
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2010/07/27 02:49:18
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Grignard wrote: I don't dislike all hip-hop at all. In fact, I often turn on Rhapsody and listen to Too Short while I'm painting. I particularly find the albums "Chase the Cat" and " You Nasty" to be both lyrically amusing and musically interesting.
Try some Digital Underground. Same era as Too Short with a lot of Funk sound to them. Their second Album "Sons of the P" is one of my all time favorite albums and something I go to whenever I need to get back into a good mood. It is very heavily influenced by Parliament and Funkadelic
For instance, I don't particularly care for Saul Williams, as he's a bit too "arty" for my taste, but he's undoubtedly good.
\a fair assessment about Saul... he does trend towards artsyness. I like his sound though and the fact that his stuff does radically shift from the standard content of most current rap. I really must thank NIN and Trent for bringing him to my attention. I just regret that I did not get to the venue in time to see him when he was opening for NIN in 2005.
Here's a little exercise for the people who try to claim that lyrics over a beat is not music. does that mean that this is not music?
I think Jack White would disagree with you.
Yah, they had that one song from Sex Packets that got played endlessly. They're pretty cool. They've definitely got a sound that is different than a lot of the R&B going on at the time.
I agree that lyrics over a beat is definitely music. If you listen to a lot of old blues stuff it has some similarities to a sort of smoother, more melodic hip hop. Then there is that thing they used to do, I think its called Scat, where you make verbal sounds to music that don't have lyrical meaning...You know, shoo-bob-doo-bop, that sort of thing.
2010/07/27 14:42:25
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I listen to rap but none of the new stuff they're all try hards who grow up in rich neighborhoods complaining about they're life sucking when quite honestly mine is worse.
You gota listen to real rap like Nwa and Tupac (R.I.P).
2010/07/31 12:41:31
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
I'm mostly fed up with rap because it get's stuffed into EVERY bloody song nowadays. Ooh we made a pop song, but halfway through some moron has to go and spout nonsense for about 30 seconds. WHY?!
2010/07/31 14:54:23
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
As a middleclass white man who grew up in the 80's from a nonurban setting...
Why would I enjoy it? It's generally composed of people wishlisting in rude terms what they want out of life. When I want that I go to news and rumours on Dakka.
More seriously like any genre ever... some is better then others and most sucks, and the stuff that really sucks that gets the most airtime.
2010/07/31 15:38:19
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Captain_Trips01 wrote: Don't confuse actual rap music with the gak everyone listens to today. Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Flobots... good rap music still exists.
I wouldnt call that rap though. Rap is more than just 'chanting to music' its a specific style of chant or monks are rappers.
That would be rather unfair on monks, wouldnt it?
Still there is some decent rap around. Will Smith comes to mind, he is unquestionably talented whether you like his musical style or not. He doesnt have his heasd stuck in his arse either unlike most rappers.
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IG_urban wrote:I like hip hop, not rap....there is a keen difference.....rap is on the radio, hip hop isn't (unless you live in an awesome place like Seattle with underground hip hop stations). Here's a tip for whoever said they have no choice because it's on the radio....turn it off...
Sorry urban but you sound like you have been spoon fed the marketing. Rap and hip hop are synonymous, the difference is purely internal, some 'artists' call themselves part of one 'scene' or the other, or both or whatever, media moguls clap and the fans nod in agreement to cover the otherwose inevitable ommission that they to cannot detect a difference.
Hip hop isnt on the radio its on 'da street'. The record companies must love it when people buy they one, because perhaps they then go out and buy that one. Unless the music is very seriously subvbersive it itsnt underground either, it just means small radius marketing rather tha main radius marketing. You need underground to enforce division in order to establish an illusion of discrenment of quality. The labels will plug wgho they can, but prefer any artist to have a lifespan of two albums, after that they raise their prices so if they arent uncontrollably big by then they get someone else and start anew.
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2010/07/31 16:34:58
Subject: Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Captain_Trips01 wrote: Don't confuse actual rap music with the gak everyone listens to today. Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Flobots... good rap music still exists.
I wouldnt call that rap though. Rap is more than just 'chanting to music' its a specific style of chant or monks are rappers.
That would be rather unfair on monks, wouldnt it?
Still there is some decent rap around. Will Smith comes to mind, he is unquestionably talented whether you like his musical style or not. He doesnt have his heasd stuck in his arse either unlike most rappers.
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IG_urban wrote:I like hip hop, not rap....there is a keen difference.....rap is on the radio, hip hop isn't (unless you live in an awesome place like Seattle with underground hip hop stations). Here's a tip for whoever said they have no choice because it's on the radio....turn it off...
Sorry urban but you sound like you have been spoon fed the marketing. Rap and hip hop are synonymous, the difference is purely internal, some 'artists' call themselves part of one 'scene' or the other, or both or whatever, media moguls clap and the fans nod in agreement to cover the otherwose inevitable ommission that they to cannot detect a difference.
Hip hop isnt on the radio its on 'da street'. The record companies must love it when people buy they one, because perhaps they then go out and buy that one. Unless the music is very seriously subvbersive it itsnt underground either, it just means small radius marketing rather tha main radius marketing. You need underground to enforce division in order to establish an illusion of discrenment of quality. The labels will plug wgho they can, but prefer any artist to have a lifespan of two albums, after that they raise their prices so if they arent uncontrollably big by then they get someone else and start anew.
My understanding, and I'm not extensively knowledgeable about the genre, but I thought Hip-Hop ( apparently coined by a DJ in the late 70s) was a genre of music, just like rock or jazz, while rap is a means of making the rhymes that make up the music, much like playing a guitar or singing a song. I guess saying rap music is like saying guitar music.
I disagree that hip hop is inherently subversive except for the inherent subversion of coming from an underground subculture. My understanding is that one of the defining aspects of being old school is use of beats and rhymes without a lot of instruments or "artsy" lyrics. Of course, my tastes in that genre are pretty lowbrow. I'll take Luke Skywalker and 2 Live Crew over NWA any day, no matter what the critics say.
In spite of liking a few artists, it isn't my favorite genre, but I think its definitely a form of artistic expression. I think it is an exceptional talent that can rattle off rhymes quickly and coherently like a good rap artist.
2010/07/31 20:00:54
Subject: Re:Why does it seem everyone on dakka dakka hates rap?
Grignard wrote:My understanding, and I'm not extensively knowledgeable about the genre, but I thought Hip-Hop ( apparently coined by a DJ in the late 70s) was a genre of music, just like rock or jazz, while rap is a means of making the rhymes that make up the music, much like playing a guitar or singing a song. I guess saying rap music is like saying guitar music.
Yeah, you're basically correct there, Grignard - with one important qualification: rock, jazz and hip-hop are styles, not genres. It's a broader definition.
For example:
Jazz is the style, and be-bop is a genre within that style.
Rock is the style, grunge is a genre within that style.
Hip-hop is the style, gangsta rap is a genre within that style.
Hope that clarifies the concept a little. You're right about the definition of 'rap' too, and the comparison with 'guitar music' is spot-on.
Personally I like hip-hop, broadly speaking. I like most types of music.
Also, the people here who say they don't like it because everyone else does need to fething grow up. You are NOT beautiful and unique snowflakes. You sound like fething moody teenagers, if anything.
Here's a UK hip-hop artist that I find interesting. The video is fething awesome, and deserves your attention.
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