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BrookM wrote:If the Elysians lose a fourth time I feel forced to take drastic action against Forge World.

Well, with that name it is no wonder that they die so easily

Wikipedia wrote:The Elysian Fields, or the Elysian Plains, were the final resting places of the souls of the heroic and the virtuous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium

The link and quote are overkill thank you, I've had a formal education.

Then you are lucky. The English Wikipedia doesn't even list the original word Elysion (Greek), only the Latin translation

I only own one IA book - IA8 - and was pleasantly surprised to see the Imperium fail. I have nothing against the Elysians, but I like Orks way more.

Ouze wrote:I only own one IA book - IA8 - and was pleasantly surprised to see the Imperium fail. I have nothing against the Elysians, but I like Orks way more.

If you like to see the Imperium fail, that the IA series of books is for you!

First things first, IA10, more hot Astartes on Astartes action ja?

Sadly.

I still want to see Kastorel-Novem WRAPPED UP PROPERLY!

You hear me, FW? I'll be watching for this.

BrookM wrote:If the Elysians lose a fourth time I feel forced to take drastic action against Forge World.

I heard that in the Badab books, the Marines win, so it's not always the evil xenos races kicking Marine ass.

Alpharius wrote:Also, even though the name strongly implies it, is it 'official' that the Sons of Medusa come from the Iron Hands?

Yes, that is well-established. But I'm not sure if they are as close with Adpetus Mechanicus as the Iron Hands or employ as many bionics. The creed of Ferrus Mannus was "always be stronger and stronger" not necessarily "replace all your squishy bits with metal ones"--maybe that's just the direction the Iron Hands themselves took it. Someone can correct me if this is wrong, but I do not think they are one of the Chapters spoken about in detail in IA9.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:If the Elysians lose a fourth time I feel forced to take drastic action against Forge World.

I heard that in the Badab books, the Marines win, so it's not always the evil xenos races kicking Marine ass.

The Imperium won Vraks, too!

Manchu wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Also, even though the name strongly implies it, is it 'official' that the Sons of Medusa come from the Iron Hands?

Yes, that is well-established. But I'm not sure if they are as close with Adpetus Mechanicus as the Iron Hands or employ as many bionics. The creed of Ferrus Mannus was "always be stronger and stronger" not necessarily "replace all your squishy bits with metal ones"--maybe that's just the direction the Iron Hands themselves took it. Someone can correct me if this is wrong, but I do not think they are one of the Chapters spoken about in detail in IA9.

Sons of Medusa aren't covered in IA9, they are lined up for IA10 as they were deployed in the second half of the war.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:If the Elysians lose a fourth time I feel forced to take drastic action against Forge World.

I heard that in the Badab books, the Marines win, so it's not always the evil xenos races kicking Marine ass.

According to many, either way we lose.

Kanluwen wrote:The Imperium won Vraks, too!

That was a pyrrhic victory really.

Kanluwen wrote:Sadly.

I still want to see Kastorel-Novem WRAPPED UP PROPERLY!

You hear me, FW? I'll be watching for this.

That has been resolved.

No, IA9 wrapped up with a half-assed ending to facilitate the bloody Boringdab War.

Don't you mean IA8?

I'm beginning to see a trend here.

Pah! I was writing a message really early

I meant Kastorel-Novem. I had it right the first time, should have just kept it like that.

Either way:
Kastorel-Novem was slated to be a 2 parter and scrapped for the bloody Badab War. It's disappointing to me that something that had such promise and an interesting premise(the Imperium actually on the offensive? Glorious!) was canned to do something so bland and boring as a Marine rebellion.

The Imperium was also on the offensive in IA3 and IA5.

IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Not really "on the offensive", same case with IA5--world seceded and was occupied by an enemy.

Kanluwen wrote:Pah! I was writing a message really early

I meant Kastorel-Novem. I had it right the first time, should have just kept it like that.

Either way:
Kastorel-Novem was slated to be a 2 parter and scrapped for the bloody Badab War. It's disappointing to me that something that had such promise and an interesting premise(the Imperium actually on the offensive? Glorious!) was canned to do something so bland and boring as a Marine rebellion.

Yeah, damn. A generic Imperium-vs-Xenos campaign was scrapped for the most significant Astartes related moment since the Horus Heresy. Why couldn't we have more generic boring Imperium campaigns!

ph34r wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Pah! I was writing a message really early

I meant Kastorel-Novem. I had it right the first time, should have just kept it like that.

Either way:
Kastorel-Novem was slated to be a 2 parter and scrapped for the bloody Badab War. It's disappointing to me that something that had such promise and an interesting premise(the Imperium actually on the offensive? Glorious!) was canned to do something so bland and boring as a Marine rebellion.

Yeah, damn. A generic Imperium-vs-Xenos campaign was scrapped for the most significant Astartes related moment since the Horus Heresy. Why couldn't we have more generic boring Imperium campaigns!

Sorry, what was generic about Kastorel-Novem?

The Elysians and Raven Guard launching surgical strikes against an Ork Mekboss on an Ork held planet? Yeah, that seems so generic...

And there's hardly anything "significant" about the Badab War. It didn't redefine anything about the Astartes as a whole, just the Astral Claws and a few other Chapters.

Kanluwen wrote:IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Guess you haven't read the book then.
Taros just had secret trade relationships with the Tau, no secession or occupation when the Imperium decided on the attack.
Wasn't even occupied during the fighting, Tau just had an army to counter the attack.
After that it became part of the Tau Empire IIRC, as it wasn't safe without allies anymore.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Guess you haven't read the book then.
Taros just had secret trade relationships with the Tau, no secession or occupation when the Imperium decided on the attack.
Wasn't even occupied during the fighting, Tau just had an army to counter the attack.
After that it became part of the Tau Empire IIRC, as it wasn't safe without allies anymore.

And you're accusing me of not reading the book?

During the Imperium's first strike against Taros(where they didn't manage to kill the planetary governor with a strike force of Astartes from the Avenging Sons Chapter), the Tau had a full Cadre planetside.

When the Tau fought off that, that's when Taros seceded and was claimed by the Tau. Who further shored it up with a full occupying force of something like 3-4 Cadres. From there is where we had that full-on Imperial force of the Raptors, Titans, Elysians/Cadians, etc.

Kanluwen wrote:IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Not really "on the offensive", same case with IA5--world seceded and was occupied by an enemy.

Good lord, you really are something..

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Not really "on the offensive", same case with IA5--world seceded and was occupied by an enemy.

Good lord, you really are something..

I just want Kastorel-Novem finished in a more conclusive manner. It was nice seeing something that wasn't just an all-out slugfest.

If Squat/Sister players can get away with the same kind of stubbornness, why can't I?

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:IA3 had them replying to a world that seceded and was occupied by the Tau.

Not really "on the offensive", same case with IA5--world seceded and was occupied by an enemy.

Good lord, you really are something..

I just want Kastorel-Novem finished in a more conclusive manner. It was nice seeing something that wasn't just an all-out slugfest.

If Squat/Sister players can get away with the same kind of stubbornness, why can't I?

They really can't, and you shouldn't try either, OK?

Let's get this thread back on track and on topic, yes?