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I can see it being a cross between an Eldar Avatar and a Bloodthirsty in terms of wargear and decorations. The basic Avatar body coupled with a big nasty whip of some kind. Loads of skulls and trophies from its previous victims. Maybe bards or spines up it's legs and/or arms to match it's look to that of DE armour and vehicles.

I can just imagine a blood loving statue of firey death with minstrels who give buffs and heal attached to its legs.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:So explain to me how it is that the Dark Eldar still use psychic based technology if they are no longer psychic?

Regardless of power level a psyker is a psyker. Dark eldar are still psykers.




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And atrophied does not mean it is gone. Atrophied means that it has deminished, the DE may not be as adept of psykers as they once where but that does not mean that the psychic gene and its effects are completly gone (considering the Old Ones specifically created the race to be psykers.

what psychic technology?

Their ships are composed of Wraithbone.

I know this because it says at the top of page 140 of the book Nightbringer "into the wraithbone hull of the Stormrider" The Stormrider being a Dark Eldar ship.

Beings as the events of the Nightbringer book (though the Ultramarines series is pretty much crap) are mentioned twice in the Necron codex that makes it official cannon.

Also considering Asdrubael Vect was alive at the fall that means that he is still a psyker ergo the Dark Eldar are psychic and use psychic technology. And before you say that they use psychic slaves to manipulate wraithbone that applies to the ammunition and wargear not their ships which they woulden't leave to slaves.


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That Asdrubael Vect bit didn't really make since, It came across as saying that because Vect is a psyker they all are. It was ment to convey that just because they don't use extreme psychic powers dosen't mean they are no longer a psychic race. Especially when they entire Eldar race is referanced as being psykers, choosing not to use their abilities dosen't change that.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:So explain to me how it is that the Dark Eldar still use psychic based technology if they are no longer psychic?

Regardless of power level a psyker is a psyker. Dark eldar are still psykers.




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And atrophied does not mean it is gone. Atrophied means that it has deminished, the DE may not be as adept of psykers as they once where but that does not mean that the psychic gene and its effects are completly gone (considering the Old Ones specifically created the race to be psykers.

what psychic technology?

Their ships are composed of Wraithbone.

I know this because it says at the top of page 140 of the book Nightbringer "into the wraithbone hull of the Stormrider" The Stormrider being a Dark Eldar ship.

Beings as the events of the Nightbringer book (though the Ultramarines series is pretty much crap) are mentioned twice in the Necron codex that makes it official cannon.

Also considering Asdrubael Vect was alive at the fall that means that he is still a psyker ergo the Dark Eldar are psychic and use psychic technology. And before you say that they use psychic slaves to manipulate wraithbone that applies to the ammunition and wargear not their ships which they woulden't leave to slaves.


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That Asdrubael Vect bit didn't really make since, It came across as saying that because Vect is a psyker they all are. It was ment to convey that just because they don't use extreme psychic powers dosen't mean they are no longer a psychic race. Especially when they entire Eldar race is referanced as being psykers, choosing not to use their abilities dosen't change that.

Firstly: Vect is not, has has never been a psyker.

Secondly: Vect was not around during the fall. He was born circa M32

Thirdly: I haven't read any Ultramarines books but its quite likely that This "Stormrider" was contructed pre-fall (unlike Vect) just like most Imperial capital ships were manufactured pre-heresy.

And the DE codex specifically says that unlike Eldar, who have psychic ability to grow / other their gear, Dark Eldar manufacture their own.

Ya, Basically Psychics in Commoragh are too dangerous to keep around. The whole point of commoragh is to hide from Slaanesh. Psychers draw its attention.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:So explain to me how it is that the Dark Eldar still use psychic based technology if they are no longer psychic?

Regardless of power level a psyker is a psyker. Dark eldar are still psykers.




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And atrophied does not mean it is gone. Atrophied means that it has deminished, the DE may not be as adept of psykers as they once where but that does not mean that the psychic gene and its effects are completly gone (considering the Old Ones specifically created the race to be psykers.

what psychic technology?

Their ships are composed of Wraithbone.

I know this because it says at the top of page 140 of the book Nightbringer "into the wraithbone hull of the Stormrider" The Stormrider being a Dark Eldar ship.

Beings as the events of the Nightbringer book (though the Ultramarines series is pretty much crap) are mentioned twice in the Necron codex that makes it official cannon.

Also considering Asdrubael Vect was alive at the fall that means that he is still a psyker ergo the Dark Eldar are psychic and use psychic technology. And before you say that they use psychic slaves to manipulate wraithbone that applies to the ammunition and wargear not their ships which they woulden't leave to slaves.


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That Asdrubael Vect bit didn't really make since, It came across as saying that because Vect is a psyker they all are. It was ment to convey that just because they don't use extreme psychic powers dosen't mean they are no longer a psychic race. Especially when they entire Eldar race is referanced as being psykers, choosing not to use their abilities dosen't change that.

Firstly: Vect is not, has has never been a psyker.

Says what? I'm guessing the fact that he dosen't have any psychic powers as a character, considering that not even half of the units in the game 100% represent the fluff. In the same way that the Eldar codex says all Eldar are psykers yet normal squads such as Guardians don't have psychic powers.

Secondly: Vect was not around during the fall. He was born circa M32

Where does it say this because every bit of fluff I've read has said that he was young during the fall and nothing has said he was born circa M32.

Thirdly: I haven't read any Ultramarines books but its quite likely that This "Stormrider" was contructed pre-fall (unlike Vect) just like most Imperial capital ships were manufactured pre-heresy.

Ok what's your point? wether it was made pre-fall or after the fall the fact is it is still a wraithbone ship (psychic technology) and in order to be controlled the ship has to be piloted by a psyker. And I highly doubt that something as complex as a space ship that's psychicly controled could be piloted by torturing slaves in the same way that they warp stolen wraithstone.

I repeat atrophied does not mean that their latent psychic ability that every Eldar is born with, that the ENITRE Eldar race (a race that split into 2 factions) was created with has completly vanished.
And also add on to the fact that the Old Ones created the Eldar to be a psychic race that means that it is in their genetics, in order for the DE to have completly lost their psychic ability they would have had to have interbred with Eldar that didn't have psychic ability (again the entire race was created as psykers) and then the psyker gene would have to be submissive in order to be tottally lost.

And just in case you don't get what the differance is between choosing not to use an ability and not having it all together I'd be happy to do it.

1st) Not all Eldar are Psychic. They have a high ratio of psykers and all of their minds register brightly in the warp but that doesn't make them psykers.
2nd) What are you reading? The new DE codex details The Rise of Vect starting with him being an unknown slave in M32.
3rd) You Don't need psychics to run a ship. Just ask the Tau. Even the vast majority of human ships do not have Psykers they have Navigators but even that doesn't matter because Eldar don't travel trough the Warp, Dark Kin or not they travel through the much safer webway. No Psykers or three-eyed mutants required.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:2nd) What are you reading? The new DE codex details The Rise of Vect starting with him being an unknown slave in M32.

I believe he's picking it up from "A Torturer's Tale". Old story, but basically



Anyhow, it's clear from this story (which I think even used to be on the GW website) that Vect has been alive since the Fall. Perhaps his career started in M32, not his life. Or perhaps there has been a GW retcon.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:1st) Not all Eldar are Psychic. They have a high ratio of psykers and all of their minds register brightly in the warp but that doesn't make them psykers.

How about providing an official quote that says this because I've provided official fluff that says the exact opposite.

2nd) What are you reading? The new DE codex details The Rise of Vect starting with him being an unknown slave in M32.

So the Rise of Vect (which to me indicates his rise to power within the DE faction) chronicles his whole life does it? his birth and such? or does it just start that he was a slave in M32.

3rd) You Don't need psychics to run a ship. Just ask the Tau. Even the vast majority of human ships do not have Psykers they have Navigators but even that doesn't matter because Eldar don't travel trough the Warp, Dark Kin or not they travel through the much safer webway. No Psykers or three-eyed mutants required.

Really? so that's why wraithbone ships (in case you can't grasp that the Tau and Imperium don't construct ships using psychic technology, oh and fyi it woulden't be called PSYCHIC technology if it could be used mundanely) are piloted by psykers who are able to become more in tune with the ship itself and pilot it better.

You wanted to know what psychic technology the Dark Eldar use, I've provided a cannon example.

You say that the Dark Eldar aren't psychic as the ability is completley gone, atrophied (the word used in the codex) does not mean dissapeared or completly absent.

Choosing not to use an ability does not mean that someone doesen't have it.

You say the Dark Eldar and Eldar are 2 seperate races instead of seperate factions (which would mean that the Exodites are a seperate race as well as the Harlequins) yet provide no cannonised proof.

You say that not all Eldar are psychic yet the fluff says the ENTIRE Eldar race was CREATED to be psychic. If the entire Eldar race (which then split into multiple factions) was created to be psychic then that means that the trait would still exists in the modern Eldar of every type. This does not mean that they all are super powerfull psykers, this does not mean that they can't choose to not use or hone their talents further. It means that the entire Eldar race has latent psychic ability from one degree to another.

Everything you have said I have proven wrong with cannonised fluff and common sense and if you're going to just continue to say the same things over and over again without providing anything that supports it this conversation is done.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Everything you have said I have proven wrong with cannonised fluff and common sense and if you're going to just continue to say the same things over and over again without providing anything that supports it this conversation is done.

That's funny, I feel the same way about everything you've just said. I can can se the idea of Eldar having psychic poweres is very, very important to you so there's no changing your mind but basically every faction that has psykers has a unit representing that. Be it humans, Space marines, Craftworld Eldar, Chaos or Tyranid. Races like The Tau, Necrons and DE simply do not. Like I said before its dangerous for psychic activity to be used in Commoragh that is the very reason the DE psychic abilities of atrophied.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

3rd) You Don't need psychics to run a ship. Just ask the Tau. Even the vast majority of human ships do not have Psykers they have Navigators but even that doesn't matter because Eldar don't travel trough the Warp, Dark Kin or not they travel through the much safer webway. No Psykers or three-eyed mutants required.

Really? so that's why wraithbone ships (in case you can't grasp that the Tau and Imperium don't construct ships using psychic technology, oh and fyi it woulden't be called PSYCHIC technology if it could be used mundanely) are piloted by psykers who are able to become more in tune with the ship itself and pilot it better.

You wanted to know what psychic technology the Dark Eldar use, I've provided a cannon example.

You say that the Dark Eldar aren't psychic as the ability is completley gone, atrophied (the word used in the codex) does not mean dissapeared or completly absent.

Choosing not to use an ability does not mean that someone doesen't have it.

You say the Dark Eldar and Eldar are 2 seperate races instead of seperate factions (which would mean that the Exodites are a seperate race as well as the Harlequins) yet provide no cannonised proof.

You say that not all Eldar are psychic yet the fluff says the ENTIRE Eldar race was CREATED to be psychic. If the entire Eldar race (which then split into multiple factions) was created to be psychic then that means that the trait would still exists in the modern Eldar of every type. This does not mean that they all are super powerfull psykers, this does not mean that they can't choose to not use or hone their talents further. It means that the entire Eldar race has latent psychic ability from one degree to another.

Everything you have said I have proven wrong with cannonised fluff and common sense and if you're going to just continue to say the same things over and over again without providing anything that supports it this conversation is done.

1) Use of Psychic dickery is strictly forbidden in Commoragh
2) Dark Eldar manufacture their ship, in a different manner to their Craftworld cousins. The codex itself states so.

Yep, good old old hammer and nails for DE.
By which I mean they hammer their slaves in the head with nails until they make their ship.

Dark Eldar don't use Wraithbone to create anything of note and now when all mentions of captured wraithbone are removed it is doubtful that they use it at all.
DE ships are radically different from CWE and Corsair ships, just check BFG. They are more durable, don't have wraithbone critical hit table and even move differently.

I always though that DE psykers don't exist because of their leaky souls. Soulless can't be psykers and DE soul is dim. The codex and the round table interviews say that DE use superscience instead of psychoplastics and their technology has almost nothing in common with any other race in the galaxy. They have loads of extraplanar stuff which probably means that the Webway is connected to other dimensions. Mandrakers being from another dimension rather than being regular warp based daemons also fits their fluff bit better too.

Incubi however are very different from rest of the DE, they are more like aspect warriors and even use stolen and modified spirit stones as weapons (dunno if their souls go into those when they die). Incubi are singleminded warriors but they still don't follow the path system as the paths are supposed to repress emotions and Incubi enjoy fighting and just want to kill as often as possible.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Heck Commoragh (or however it's spelled) could have at one point been a craftworld for all we know.

This is wrong. We know what Commoragh was. Read the new DE codex. Also, new fluff cancels out older fluff. so if the book said "wraithbone hull" but new fluff says they don't use wraithbone than new fluff is right.

Aetherse wrote:Dark Eldar don't use Wraithbone to create anything of note and now when all mentions of captured wraithbone are removed it is doubtful that they use it at all.
DE ships are radically different from CWE and Corsair ships, just check BFG. They are more durable, don't have wraithbone critical hit table and even move differently.

I always though that DE psykers don't exist because of their leaky souls. Soulless can't be psykers and DE soul is dim. The codex and the round table interviews say that DE use superscience instead of psychoplastics and their technology has almost nothing in common with any other race in the galaxy. They have loads of extraplanar stuff which probably means that the Webway is connected to other dimensions. Mandrakers being from another dimension rather than being regular warp based daemons also fits their fluff bit better too.

Incubi however are very different from rest of the DE, they are more like aspect warriors and even use stolen and modified spirit stones as weapons (dunno if their souls go into those when they die). Incubi are singleminded warriors but they still don't follow the path system as the paths are supposed to repress emotions and Incubi enjoy fighting and just want to kill as often as possible.

Klawz wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Heck Commoragh (or however it's spelled) could have at one point been a craftworld for all we know.

This is wrong. We know what Commoragh was. Read the new DE codex. Also, new fluff cancels out older fluff. so if the book said "wraithbone hull" but new fluff says they don't use wraithbone than new fluff is right.

Both you guys know your new DE fluff.
As Aetherse says just trying to live in the soul leeching enviroment of the Webway is a huge struggle. There's no way any DE can harness the power of their souls power for psyhcic bs.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Heck Commoragh (or however it's spelled) could have at one point been a craftworld for all we know.

This is wrong. We know what Commoragh was. Read the new DE codex. Also, new fluff cancels out older fluff. so if the book said "wraithbone hull" but new fluff says they don't use wraithbone than new fluff is right.

Both you guys know your new DE fluff.

Then why would he claim stuff that doesn't work with the new codex?

Klawz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Heck Commoragh (or however it's spelled) could have at one point been a craftworld for all we know.

This is wrong. We know what Commoragh was. Read the new DE codex. Also, new fluff cancels out older fluff. so if the book said "wraithbone hull" but new fluff says they don't use wraithbone than new fluff is right.

Both you guys know your new DE fluff.

Then why would he claim stuff that doesn't work with the new codex?

Because Warboss Imbad Ironskull had a dream. A dream that one day little Eldar children of all colour and creeds could come together in peace and unity by using their psychic powers to summon Avatars to kill everyone else.

3rd) You Don't need psychics to run a ship. Just ask the Tau. Even the vast majority of human ships do not have Psykers they have Navigators but even that doesn't matter because Eldar don't travel trough the Warp, Dark Kin or not they travel through the much safer webway. No Psykers or three-eyed mutants required.

Really? so that's why wraithbone ships (in case you can't grasp that the Tau and Imperium don't construct ships using psychic technology, oh and fyi it woulden't be called PSYCHIC technology if it could be used mundanely) are piloted by psykers who are able to become more in tune with the ship itself and pilot it better.

You wanted to know what psychic technology the Dark Eldar use, I've provided a cannon example.

You say that the Dark Eldar aren't psychic as the ability is completley gone, atrophied (the word used in the codex) does not mean dissapeared or completly absent.

Choosing not to use an ability does not mean that someone doesen't have it.

You say the Dark Eldar and Eldar are 2 seperate races instead of seperate factions (which would mean that the Exodites are a seperate race as well as the Harlequins) yet provide no cannonised proof.

You say that not all Eldar are psychic yet the fluff says the ENTIRE Eldar race was CREATED to be psychic. If the entire Eldar race (which then split into multiple factions) was created to be psychic then that means that the trait would still exists in the modern Eldar of every type. This does not mean that they all are super powerfull psykers, this does not mean that they can't choose to not use or hone their talents further. It means that the entire Eldar race has latent psychic ability from one degree to another.

Everything you have said I have proven wrong with cannonised fluff and common sense and if you're going to just continue to say the same things over and over again without providing anything that supports it this conversation is done.

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Aetherse wrote:Dark Eldar don't use Wraithbone to create anything of note and now when all mentions of captured wraithbone are removed it is doubtful that they use it at all.

And does the codex exactly say that the DE don't use wraithbone? or is this just an assumption made by the fact that they no longer have wraithbone wargear or that they don't produce it themselves which in no way means that they can't steal it. Just because something isn't mentioned dosen't mean it dosen't happen.

It states that Dark Eldar manufacture stuff instead of growing it psychically and that their weapons are made by slaves. Tau and Orks can't work psycho-plastics. Wraithbone isn't really mentioned in the DE codex. So you are just talking stuff from CWE book and saying that DE use it too because they belong to the same race.

If you go down to that route then you can also say that the Chaos Space Marines have Faith Power or take anything from the DE and give it to CWE. Both SoBs and CSM are humans and nowhere it exactly states that Chaos Marines can't use faith and it doesn't say in the CWE codex that they don't have imported Talos Pain Engines or Hexrifles.

Right. I think people have a tough time gettting over the fact that Dark Eldar aren't just Eldar with spikey armour. As a people their culture predates Craftworld eldar and they'll outlast the craftworld eldar as well. I think the problem is Craftworld Eldar's codex is called just "Eldar" whereas Dark Kin are "Dark Eldar" which makes it sound like craftworld Eldar are the "true" eldar. In fact I would say Dark Eldar are most similiar too true (Ancient) Eldar than any of the others.

Anyways OP, Yes Eldar were designed as a psychic race but that was 65 million years ago. Humans were designed to be covered completely in fur and fling crap at each other while swinging from vines. Times Change.

Aetherse wrote:

Dark Eldar don't use Wraithbone to create anything of note and now when all mentions of captured wraithbone are removed it is doubtful that they use it at all.

And does the codex exactly say that the DE don't use wraithbone? or is this just an assumption made by the fact that they no longer have wraithbone wargear or that they don't produce it themselves which in no way means that they can't steal it. Just because something isn't mentioned dosen't mean it dosen't happen.

It states that Dark Eldar manufacture stuff instead of growing it psychically and that their weapons are made by slaves. Tau and Orks can't work psycho-plastics. Wraithbone isn't really mentioned in the DE codex.

You are right in that DE steal and pillage. We're just saying DE don't have Bonesingers.....or psykers.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:As a people their culture predates Craftworld eldar and they'll outlast the craftworld eldar as well. I think the problem is Craftworld Eldar's codex is called just "Eldar" whereas Dark Kin are "Dark Eldar" which makes it sound like craftworld Eldar are the "true" eldar. In fact I would say Dark Eldar are most similiar too true (Ancient) Eldar than any of the others.

You have absolutly no clue what you're talking about do you. You do realise that the craftworlds existed prior to the fall, you do realise that the pleasure cults of the pre-fall Eldar are not the same as the DE current culture, you do realise thet the Eldar race was not always as hedonistic as it was at the time of the Fall and that those who left in the craftworlds where those who sought to return to the way things where before the Eldar became so self indulgent. This is not a discussion about which Eldar are "true" Eldar and this is obviously a discussion above your head because you either cannot or have not provided any support for what you have said and instead you've tried to piggy back on what others have said.

Anyways OP, Yes Eldar were designed as a psychic race but that was 65 million years ago. Humans were designed to be covered completely in fur and fling crap at each other while swinging from vines. Times Change.

I don't think I've read one intelligent statement from you on this or any other thread. Humans where NOT designed to be covered completely in fur and fling crap at eachother, the ANCESTORS of humans where primates covered in fur. 65 million years? where does it say that exactly? is that when dinosaurs where killed of in the 40k universe? And for the record you still have not provided a cannon source saying that the DE have completly lost their latent psychic ability. All you have said is "time passes" and "atrophied" which I don't even think you know what that word means.

The bottom line is that the fluff reasonably supports the idea that the DE could under the right circumstances summon an Avatar of Khaine.

Those right cicumstances really don't seem plausible. Dark Eldar would have to do the summonig outside of the webway and get a sleeping Avatar from somewhere (these 2 are rather easy even though codex CWE states that every Avatar is in the heart of a Craftworld). Then they would have nominate someone virtuous to be the Young King (finding one might be impossible for the DE) and somehow harness enough psychic power to actually wake the avatar. There isn't much information about what the psykers actually have to do during the summoning so DE might not know the right way to focus their energies. And remember that DE are not trustworthy so someone would probably try to sabotage the summoning.

Even for the CWE activating Avatar is a hard task and they have many more strong Psykers and on the top of that they have infinity Circuits to boost their powers. Dark Eldar don't use psykers so the only ones that can rise above Guardian's level of psychic powers are the ones that have the resources to get trained and not get caught.

DE can summon Avatar about as easily as Imperium of Man. It is not truly impossible but anyone suggesting it should have very good reasons why they would bother and how would they actually do it.

If you want to wield Avatar with DE (in apoc for example) you have the much easier route of DE just working with CWE. Maybe the Craftworld does the summoning while Dark Eldar do the fighting? It seems bit too generous from the DE but their motives are often vague anyways.

So unless the DE codex specifically says that the DE can't and don't use wraithbone instead of saying that they simply don't make it then the De are reasonably able to use it. OH wait! what's that? the DE are pillagers and raiders who can steal things including wraithbone items? wow who would have thought

I can partly agree with this though. Wraithbone might still be illegal in Commoragh but DE pirates could still use stolen Craftworld items just like Rogue Traders can use Banshee's swords and Tau Pulserifles. It wouldn't be widespread and as Dark Eldar thing they are superior to everyone else they might deem items stolen from lesser races just amusing toys.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:As a people their culture predates Craftworld eldar and they'll outlast the craftworld eldar as well. I think the problem is Craftworld Eldar's codex is called just "Eldar" whereas Dark Kin are "Dark Eldar" which makes it sound like craftworld Eldar are the "true" eldar. In fact I would say Dark Eldar are most similiar too true (Ancient) Eldar than any of the others.

You have absolutly no clue what you're talking about do you. You do realise that the craftworlds existed prior to the fall, you do realise that the pleasure cults of the pre-fall Eldar are not the same as the DE current culture, you do realise thet the Eldar race was not always as hedonistic as it was at the time of the Fall and that those who left in the craftworlds where those who sought to return to the way things where before the Eldar became so self indulgent. This is not a discussion about which Eldar are "true" Eldar and this is obviously a discussion above your head because you either cannot or have not provided any support for what you have said and instead you've tried to piggy back on what others have said.

Anyways OP, Yes Eldar were designed as a psychic race but that was 65 million years ago. Humans were designed to be covered completely in fur and fling crap at each other while swinging from vines. Times Change.

I don't think I've read one intelligent statement from you on this or any other thread. Humans where NOT designed to be covered completely in fur and fling crap at eachother, the ANCESTORS of humans where primates covered in fur. 65 million years? where does it say that exactly? is that when dinosaurs where killed of in the 40k universe? And for the record you still have not provided a cannon source saying that the DE have completly lost their latent psychic ability. All you have said is "time passes" and "atrophied" which I don't even think you know what that word means.

Buddy you're obviously incapable of having a discusion without taking counter-points as personal attacks on your manhood. Good bye.

KamikazeCanuck wrote: I think the problem is Craftworld Eldar's codex is called just "Eldar" whereas Dark Kin are "Dark Eldar" which makes it sound like craftworld Eldar are the "true" eldar. In fact I would say Dark Eldar are most similiar too true (Ancient) Eldar than any of the others.

Blasphemy!

Dark Eldar are the True Kin. Craftworld Eldar are the weak Eldar who ran and hid from their true nature. Hiding on floating balls of death, denying their rightful place as rulers of the Galaxy.

Fact is this: Dark Eldar have the same psychic potential as Eldar because they are still the same race. Many of you guys are translating the Dark Eldar not having Psykers IN GAME as the same to being not having any psykers in the fluff/race. Dark Eldar just do not practice the art for obvious reasons. Psychic use is forbidden, and even Dark Eldar dare not break this rule. There is no real difference between Eldar and Dark Eldar. The only difference is their ideological ways. They are the same race, well, save for any genetic tampering done by the Heamonculi, lol.

Think of it like this. Compare Einstein to, um, any of you. Both can do math, but Einstein is in a league all his own. You are still able to do math yourself, but it is so small, minuscule and unimportant that people don't notice you. People notice Einstein.

Does that make any sense to ya'll?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:You do realise that the craftworlds existed prior to the fall, you do realise that the pleasure cults of the pre-fall Eldar are not the same as the DE current culture, you do realise thet the Eldar race was not always as hedonistic as it was at the time of the Fall and that those who left in the craftworlds where those who sought to return to the way things where before the Eldar became so self indulgent.

The Craftworlders represent a pretty late movement relative to the Fall. Current DE culture is indeed the equivalent to Eldar culture for a very long time before the actual "birth" of Slaanesh.

I don't think I've read one intelligent statement from you on this or any other thread.

Please do not post personal attacks.


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Regarding DE being psykers, the new DE codex says that Eldar are the most psychically adpet of all races and it has been vaguely established that the Old Ones engineered them to be so. BuFFo has explained it well. I would just point out: if DE entirely shun their psychic potential, how do they consume this "soul" energy?

Regarding DE being psykers, the new DE codex says that Eldar are the most psychically adpet of all races and it has been vaguely established that the Old Ones engineered them to be so. BuFFo has explained it well. I would just point out: if DE entirely shun their psychic potential, how do they consume this "soul" energy?

Check the Round Table interviews. Kelly said it is all super science. Chronos and Soul Trap are examples of machines that make feeding easier. The codex says that the birth of Slaanesh caused souls of Eldars in webway slowly leak into the warp, Dark Eldar just devised a way to replenish their souls. There might be a psychic way to suck a soul out too but Dark Eldar obviously went tech route.

Also DE Don't usually replenished with souls. The sustain themselves with viewing the pain and suffering of others: yes, they are that evil.

Forgive my personal attack but I've growing tired of someone who is constantly saying the same thing over and over again without supporting it. And when I have proven him wrong with cannonised fluff he can't even come up with a real counter, he ignores what has been said and moves on to something else and when there is nothing left for him to move on to he just says "oh well that's not right" and then tries to hitch a ride on whatever anyone else says.

It's a waste of my time and something I have seen him do on numerous threads. Ignorance for the sake of ignorance is fine, but ignorance for the sake of not wanting to admit you're wrong is another matter entirely. Especially when evidence has been repeatedly been given proving him wrong.

@Aetherse: Nothing says that the battle lust of the Eldar awakening the Avatar has anything to do with psychic ability only that the psychic chamber which holds the Avatar begins to pulse. While Wraithbone may be outlawed within Commoragh itself that simply means that the DE would have to be outside Commoragh to do it.

And nothing says that any psychic ritual need be performed or that a Young King need offer himself willingly to the sacrifice. It's already been discussed that the DE could easily capture a worthy aspect warrior to sacrifice.

So all of the circumstances needed woulden't actually be that hard to fullfill.