Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Forgive my personal attack but I've growing tired of someone who is constantly saying the same thing over and over again without supporting it. And when I have proven him wrong with cannonised fluff he can't even come up with a real counter, he ignores what has been said and moves on to something else and when there is nothing left for him to move on to he just says "oh well that's not right" and then tries to hitch a ride on whatever anyone else says.

It's a waste of my time and something I have seen him do on numerous threads. Ignorance for the sake of ignorance is fine, but ignorance for the sake of not wanting to admit you're wrong is another matter entirely. Especially when evidence has been repeatedly been given proving him wrong.

@Aetherse: Nothing says that the battle lust of the Eldar awakening the Avatar has anything to do with psychic ability only that the psychic chamber which holds the Avatar begins to pulse. While Wraithbone may be outlawed within Commoragh itself that simply means that the DE would have to be outside Commoragh to do it.

And nothing says that any psychic ritual need be performed or that a Young King need offer himself willingly to the sacrifice. It's already been discussed that the DE could easily capture a worthy aspect warrior to sacrifice.

So all of the circumstances needed woulden't actually be that hard to fullfill.

@Aetherse: Nothing says that the battle lust of the Eldar awakening the Avatar has anything to do with psychic ability only that the psychic chamber which holds the Avatar begins to pulse. While Wraithbone may be outlawed within Commoragh itself that simply means that the DE would have to be outside Commoragh to do it.

And nothing says that any psychic ritual need be performed or that a Young King need offer himself willingly to the sacrifice. It's already been discussed that the DE could easily capture a worthy aspect warrior to sacrifice.

So all of the circumstances needed woulden't actually be that hard to fullfill.

Manchu wrote:Yeah, but how does pain become life-sustaining energy? As for the interviews, I can't put much stock into something they couldn't even be bothered to write down in their books.

Slaanesh doesn't use super science to drain them of their souls, after all.

Manchu wrote:Yeah, but how does pain become life-sustaining energy? As for the interviews, I can't put much stock into something they couldn't even be bothered to write down in their books.

Slaanesh doesn't use super science to drain them of their souls, after all.

Through the naked ribs of wraithbone a psychic roar echoes through the craftworld. Summoned by this battlecry, the Exarch bring the Young King, an Aspect Warrior chosen by the Farseers. He stands naked in front of the door of the chamber, painted head to toe with the blood-runes of Kaela Mensha Khaine and crowned with a garland of thorns.

As the ceremony grows more intense so the Bloody-handed God stirs into life. Every single Eldar feels the Avatar's inhuman blood-thirst awakening in his own mind until, at last, the bronze doors of the Avatar's throne room swing open. The Light that spills out is so bright that it burns through eyelids into the mind, and the sound of splintering iron is deafening. Into the throne room the Younk King walks, every step taking him nearer fiery destruction as the bronze doors close behind him

Nothing in this direct quote says that the ceremony performed is performed by psychics. It says that the Avatar is awakened by the psychic resonance of the Eldars blood lust which is something the Eldar could do as it dosen't say it needs powerfull psykers to do it

It says that the psychic roar of the Avatar calls to the Eldar who then bring the sacrifice of the Young King who is a Aspect Warrior and they've been captured and tortured before

Manchu wrote:There is definitely something to be said for putting more fluff-meat on those old Deldar bones. The Necrons dex should be pretty sweet, too, when it arrives. I'm more worried about Sisters.

Aetherse wrote:

Nothing in this direct quote says that the ceremony performed is performed by psychics. It says that the Avatar is awakened by the psychic resonance of the Eldars blood lust which is something the Eldar could do as it dosen't say it needs powerfull psykers to do it

That is subject to interpretation as Farseers aren't the sole governing body in the Craftworld so there must be a reason why it is them who choose. Farseers are defined by their ability to divine so why would they be involved in matters that don't require it?

It says that the psychic roar of the Avatar calls to the Eldar who then bring the sacrifice of the Young King who is a Aspect Warrior and they've been captured and tortured before

It says that every Eldar feels the Avatar when it awakes but the ones that are summoned by the initial roar are the Exarchs. Exarchs are something that Dark Eldar do not have so they would have to capture a whole CWE Warhost and somehow get it work for them. I'd say that cooperation is more likely.

Because as figures of wisdom they are the best suited to choose the king and I'm not sure who else you think leads a craftworld. And again nothing says that they choose the King through psychic means.

You are misinterpreting what's been written. Just because it says that the Exarchs lead the Young King to the chamber in no way does that mean that they are required to perform the summoning. Nor does it say that the Exarchs are the only beings summoned.

Aetherse wrote:

Because as figures of wisdom they are the best suited to choose the king and I'm not sure who else you think leads a craftworld. And again nothing says that they choose the King through psychic means.

As far as I know Craftworlds are lead by councils, council of war would consist of Farseers, Autarchs and such, and civil council is made of Farseers and representatives of civilian paths. The codex entry states that Farseers do the choosing so in my opinion the choosing involves divination as that is Farseer's job.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:No I have not read the book, I am curious though. Is it cannon?

Oh and look through my posts again because I have not once said that DE make their ships out of wraithbone. Having wraithbone ships does not mean they made them

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:the Tau and Imperium don't construct ships using psychic technology, oh and fyi it woulden't be called PSYCHIC technology if it could be used mundanely) are piloted by psykers who are able to become more in tune with the ship itself and pilot it better.

You wanted to know what psychic technology the Dark Eldar use, I've provided a cannon example.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Really? So every book publised by Black Library is official cannon? In that case I have a book called Warrior Coven within which the DE communicate telepathically. According to you and your ilk that's impossible because the DE have no psychic powers. Hmmm how curious.

And you need to seriously buff up on your reading skills because that isn't even close to what I said. Read through your quote and tell me exactly exactly where I said that the DE make psychic technology? If your grasp of the english language was anything greater then remedial you would know that you can't because it isn't what I said. I take it you're referancing me saying that "the Tau and Imperium don't construct ships using psychic technology" was meaning that the DE do construct ships using psychic technology.

When in fact (this is where the ability to read comes in handy) I was talking about the fact that the Imperium and the Tau don't construct ships that in themselves are examples of psychic technology. I apologise if those simple words where to hard for you to understand the first time. Maybe you shoulden't accuse another person of lacking intelligence when clearly your ability to do something as simple as reading a few sentences correctly is so lacking.