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AndrewC wrote:I'm sorry, but everyone has the right to help and assistance, no matter what.
I'm all for the government donating a bike to him and giving him information on where to buy healthy foods. Hell, I'd even go so far as to support a care giver to assist him in healthy food preperation and an exercise regimen.
I do NOT think he is entitled to medical care on the tax payer dime, nor is he entitled to lum sums of money. This level of obesity is not genetic, its not inflicted by someone else, and its not the responsibility of the state.
Fattie ride a bike and eat apples instead of burgers. Also, poop more. I shudder to think how much impacted feces is lurking inside his lower intestine. God, what a disgusting human being.
What good is a bike going to do . He weighs 1/2 ton as soon as he sits on it, the wheels will buckle. And the frame will disappear up his arse.
He needs a cattle prod, and diving boots
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Sadly, for him to get this big he had to have an enabler. I'm not sure what a carer is, but if this person kept feeding this maniac, then they were offering him no "care".
I recall watching a program on people with a medical condition that was the equivalent of not having an "off-swtich". Something that tells the brain that they are full or satiated. Perhaps that was part of this man's problem.
Regardless, just because he's sueing doesn't mean he'll actually get anything. You can always find a lawyer that will take your case, however foolish or weak your claims might be. They get paid either way. Him winning this case is another matter entirely.
If the "carer" was the person buying all of his food, he'd have a stronger case sueing the "carer" than the doctor.
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Gibbsey wrote:also how many calories a day what the hell was he eating?
20,000 according to the article. I dunno, deep fried twinkies and whole Turduckens?
From what I remember from the program about him, it was something like 20 packs of crisps, ditto chocolate bars, fried breakfast (full pack of bacon, 4 eggs, fried toast, etc), sausage rolls and other such things, ham and cheese etc sandwiches, and whatever he has for dinner.
Basically everything to excess.
But the worst thing is that he doesn't have a job, so all that food is paid for by tax payers, and he had a full time carer who prepared it all for him and helped stuff it into his maw.
I'd like to see him sectioned under Section 3 of the mental health act, perhaps under the aegis of consistent and ongoing suicide attempt via eating, wherein his care could be turned over to a relative or the state and we could simply prohibit him from the current food inhalation pattern. All his finances would be placed with a relative or health worker re power of attorney.
His diet is then restricted, he is forced to lose the weight. Short term cost but long term gain.
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kronk wrote:Sadly, for him to get this big he had to have an enabler. I'm not sure what a carer is, but if this person kept feeding this maniac, then they were offering him no "care".
I recall watching a program on people with a medical condition that was the equivalent of not having an "off-swtich". Something that tells the brain that they are full or satiated. Perhaps that was part of this man's problem.
Regardless, just because he's sueing doesn't mean he'll actually get anything. You can always find a lawyer that will take your case, however foolish or weak your claims might be. They get paid either way. Him winning this case is another matter entirely.
If the "carer" was the person buying all of his food, he'd have a stronger case sueing the "carer" than the doctor.
The carer is employed by the state, the state gets sued.
Its loose loose for the UK tax payer.
Thank god that for every Fatty McFatfat a hundred or a thousand deserving cases are helped when the system cocks up.
the guy had costly surgery(NHS OF COURSE)AND THEN STARTED BANGING THE WEIGHT BACK ON.so now he feels let down by doctors etc and is somehow the good guy in all this.WHAT A JOKE.if this was an alcoholic or druggie there wouldnt be any of this in the media.
He is exploiting the media in the same way that everyone else who doesn't work and gets rich does. Kerry Katona, Jordan, Peter bloomin Andre, that waste of breath Victoria Beckham etc etc, reality TV stars who do frack all every day but get's rich doing it.
The media love a case such as this because it brings out the emotions. Normally one of hate but it does get people talking.
I'm utterly sickened by the fact that this guy DID THIS TO HIMSELF!!!!!! What kind of morbid human being acts like that? I mean christ 20k calories? I doubt I consume that much in a week...and I eat lots of candy.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Shoot the bastard and rend him into fertiliser for 3rd world crops.
Now, now. Bullets cost money. A syringe full of air into his veins should do the job.
Arrest the POS for conspiracy to defraud the government (the cost of his surgery and care since he clearly has no interest in losing weight) and put him in jail. He'll either lose the weight or die. Either is fine.
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The outrage over the lawsuit has overshadowed that fact that he did have a valid point:
The former postman, who consumed 20,000 calories a day, eight times as much as the average man, said he sought help from his GP after ballooning to 30 stone.
But instead of receiving help to manage his weight, he said he was told in 1996 to: 'Ride your bike more'.
He went to the NHS for help and was told to exercise more. That like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking or a gambling addict to stop gambling, ultimately its what they need to do, but more help is needed.
People who are obese arre entitled to help in terms of diet pills and other aids that can help them. I was under the body mass index to qualify (18 stone and heavy built) and so could not get this support, this guy very clearly qualified at 30 stone. Fatties and people who are potential fatties need more than just a diet, they need real help. Once the pounds are on getting them off is hard and without results its all too easy to give up. Support was required, at the time he wasn't given much of any.
That much is fair, beyond that he is on his own.
Let him sue, as far as we are aware no-one force fed him and he was obviously aware of the consequences of overeating as the symptoms do not appear overnight. Let him have his day in court, lose and become an object lesson.
My only concern is if he is getting legal aid to do this. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt, people who have clear need of a state lawyer often can't get one, people with a dogma drum to beat are high on the queue to do, free of charge. Fatties are not generally seen as a disadvantaged minority, and he isn't ethnic so its quite possible he will have to fund himself. On the other hand he might be able to play the disabled card to drag this out at taxpayers expense.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote:
He went to the NHS for help and was told to exercise more. That like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking or a gambling addict to stop gambling, ultimately its what they need to do, but more help is needed.
Exactly.
The one caveat being that, unlike alcohol and gambling, man needs food to survive; making compulsive eating one of the single most difficult psychological addictions to overcome.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
As someone with a pretty strong background in addiction medicine my professional opinion based on evidence I've seen both in classrooms and in facilities I've worked in.....YOU DON"T GET ADDICTED TO EATING FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, people that compare process addictions and compulsive behavior (like over eating) to drug addiction are really missing the mark.
So the guy has problems, I think its accepted that anyone willing to turn themselves into a human maggot is a little cracked. I don't think society should be footing the bill for this guy in any way. He did this to himself.
But if you want to use the drug comparison I guess its acceptable for society to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a crackhead to get surgery related to helping him stop smoking crack right>?
Peter Wiggin wrote:
Seriously, people that compare process addictions and compulsive behavior (like over eating) to drug addiction are really missing the mark.
Why? Its been widely shown that process addiction is often accompanied by serotonin release, and withdrawal symptoms similar to those that arise from drug addiction.
Here is a review of research from the journal Appetite.
Peter Wiggin wrote:
So the guy has problems, I think its accepted that anyone willing to turn themselves into a human maggot is a little cracked. I don't think society should be footing the bill for this guy in any way. He did this to himself.
So do drug addicts, and we regularly foot the bill for them. In fact, due to the costs associated with dealing with the deceased, we really have no choice but to foot the bill for all of this in some sense.
Though, granted, drug addicts tend to be more of an issue due to the cost of otherwise policing them, and their suppliers.
Peter Wiggin wrote:
But if you want to use the drug comparison I guess its acceptable for society to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a crackhead to get surgery related to helping him stop smoking crack right>?
Sure, why not? We pay for the care of the sick all the time, and while they may not have consciously chosen to become sick, they are, through their bodies, still responsible for being sick.
Unless we're not going to classify addiction as a sickness, which is also a popular line of reasoning.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Oh you poor bleeding hearts! I feel sorry for you feeling sorry for the guy. I cant believe your country raised his help to accommodate for his 20k cal a day diet. Personally that was a wrong move on their part. But getting to brass tacks fellas, the guy fed himself to that size. He willingly shoved all that food down his throat. THEN he got gastric surgery to fix the problem, and then gained MORE weight. So thats the countries fault how? Im pretty sure govt. offcials didnt go down to his house and say hey fatty? Why you loosing weight? Eat more cake. HERE Ill make it for you.
Total BS, the guy screwed himself. If he has a mental disorder then he needs to be treated for it, not sue everyone for it being their fault so he can continue doing nothing but eating
I don't think we should pay the medical bills of folks that develop lung cancer from smoking, liver disease from drinking, being fat from over eating etc. I am ALL for preventative treatment, counseling, etc but its not the job of the medical community to counter act your own willful stupidity and its damn sure not the responsibility of the taxpayers to enable your fat ass to eat a box of ding dongs for breakfast.
He asked the doc's for help, they told him how to lose weight. He continutes to eat whole cows covered in bacon grease. Too bad, so sad. Fattie must feed himself now.
Gastric bypass surgery is absolutely disgusting. It made Forest Whitaker skinny, and that is horrible.
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I dunno, I definitely want the NHS to take care of people with mental conditions. If addictive eating is a mental disorder, then I want him refered to a counsellor rather than told to get on his bike. Telling someone with a behavioural disorder to "stop doing it" and then being all righteous at them when they fail is a knobend stance. It's pretty understandable though- the mentally ill are still treated with disdain in most parts of the world. I had thought Americans in general were more openminded, maybe not american wargamers though .
Saying that, I also think he is being a complete arsewipe by suing the NHS- surely he can sue the doctor who gave him the advice, but he won't do that, because he won't get as much attention or potenially, money. Bullgak.
"Behavioral addiction" isn't really accepted as a diagnosis these days. Its been proposed for the DSM-V, but currently things like this are viewed as one of a few things.
1. Genetic disorder, yes some folks have jacked up glands and require medical help.
2. Symptomatic behavior brought on by another diagnosis (IE Somatoform or Anxiety disorders most likely)
3. Impulse control disorders
4. Possible EDNOS 307.50....IE Eating disorder not otherwise specified
I'd hazard to say that this guy falls into the impulse control disorder spectrum, which would require a clinical treatment regimen incorporating counseling for the behavioral aspect, and DIET WITH EXERCISE for the physical portion.
Gastric bypass is an abomination in my eyes. Right up there with the Vomitoriums of ancient Rome.
Well, okay, I'm not down with the technical lingo. But it still stands as a point that there is a treatment for this sort of thing that isn't "go cycle your bike more" which involves seeing the right specialist.
If we put it another way, if you injured yourself playing contact sports, and went to the doctor about it, and he said "Take it easy on that leg" and you tried your best to do so, but ended up with soft tissue damage because what you REALLY needed was to be refered to a sports injury physiotherapist, you'd be pretty damn pissed off- I mean, you pay your taxes into the NHS like anybody, amirite? Even welfare recipients pay VAT.
I bet there'd be more sympathy for what is, in essence, a self inflicted injury, because you're not a repulsive tub of goddamned lard. Should we stop treating people who cause injury to themselves through risky hobbies? What do the sportsmen of dakka think?
Gibbsey wrote:also how many calories a day what the hell was he eating?
20,000 according to the article. I dunno, deep fried twinkies and whole Turduckens?
From what I remember from the program about him, it was something like 20 packs of crisps, ditto chocolate bars, fried breakfast (full pack of bacon, 4 eggs, fried toast, etc), sausage rolls and other such things, ham and cheese etc sandwiches, and whatever he has for dinner.
Basically everything to excess.
But the worst thing is that he doesn't have a job, so all that food is paid for by tax payers, and he had a full time carer who prepared it all for him and helped stuff it into his maw.
I'd like to see him sectioned under Section 3 of the mental health act, perhaps under the aegis of consistent and ongoing suicide attempt via eating, wherein his care could be turned over to a relative or the state and we could simply prohibit him from the current food inhalation pattern. All his finances would be placed with a relative or health worker re power of attorney.
His diet is then restricted, he is forced to lose the weight. Short term cost but long term gain.
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That's one of the most depressing things I've ever seen in my life.
Da Boss wrote:Well, okay, I'm not down with the technical lingo. But it still stands as a point that there is a treatment for this sort of thing that isn't "go cycle your bike more" which involves seeing the right specialist.
If we put it another way, if you injured yourself playing contact sports, and went to the doctor about it, and he said "Take it easy on that leg" and you tried your best to do so, but ended up with soft tissue damage because what you REALLY needed was to be refered to a sports injury physiotherapist, you'd be pretty damn pissed off- I mean, you pay your taxes into the NHS like anybody, amirite? Even welfare recipients pay VAT.
I bet there'd be more sympathy for what is, in essence, a self inflicted injury, because you're not a repulsive tub of goddamned lard. Should we stop treating people who cause injury to themselves through risky hobbies? What do the sportsmen of dakka think?
Please go back and read my comment. Essentially I said that its fine to tell fattie to ride a bike. Give him a real dietician, get the guy some counseling for his behavioral concerns, and if he continues to eat 5 rashers of bacon every morning, cut him off.
HE GOT FAT AFTER GASTRIC BYPASS!!!! I have as much sympathy for this guy as I do for smokers dying of cancer. IE zero, and I had 2 grandparents die to cancer.
From what I have read in this thread and linked articles, this man is nothing but a drain on society. He creates nothing, he enriches nobody's life except MAYBE the folks paid to care for him. I don't view him as having earned the lavish medical care that the government of your country is vomiting all over him. FFS the guy wouldn't be this fat if it weren't for the damn governmental checks, caregivers, etc that have shoveled the population of several african villages into this bulwhemoth's drooling maw.
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Da Boss wrote:Well, okay, I'm not down with the technical lingo. But it still stands as a point that there is a treatment for this sort of thing that isn't "go cycle your bike more" which involves seeing the right specialist.
If we put it another way, if you injured yourself playing contact sports, and went to the doctor about it, and he said "Take it easy on that leg" and you tried your best to do so, but ended up with soft tissue damage because what you REALLY needed was to be refered to a sports injury physiotherapist, you'd be pretty damn pissed off- I mean, you pay your taxes into the NHS like anybody, amirite? Even welfare recipients pay VAT.
I bet there'd be more sympathy for what is, in essence, a self inflicted injury, because you're not a repulsive tub of goddamned lard. Should we stop treating people who cause injury to themselves through risky hobbies? What do the sportsmen of dakka think?
Please go back and read my comment. Essentially I said that its fine to tell fattie to ride a bike. Give him a real dietician, get the guy some counseling for his behavioral concerns, and if he continues to eat 5 rashers of bacon every morning, cut him off.
HE GOT FAT AFTER GASTRIC BYPASS!!!! I have as much sympathy for this guy as I do for smokers dying of cancer. IE zero, and I had 2 grandparents die to cancer.
From what I have read in this thread and linked articles, this man is nothing but a drain on society. He creates nothing, he enriches nobody's life except MAYBE the folks paid to care for him. I don't view him as having earned the lavish medical care that the government of your country is vomiting all over him. FFS the guy wouldn't be this fat if it weren't for the damn governmental checks, caregivers, etc that have shoveled the population of several african villages into this bulwhemoth's drooling maw.
I get it, but it doesn't matter whether or not you have sympathy for someone. It's totally irrelevant, and it's the single best thing about a National Health Service- everyone gets helped, regardless of social stigma or public opinion on their condtion. I don't think this guy should sue the NHS, but at the same time, I think the NHS screwed up in how they handled this, or at least, some people employed by the NHS screwed up. Society is full of feth ups, helping them get better is worth doing, whether we think they are repulsive or not.
I don't have huge amounts of sympathy for this guy, but I still think the NHS should help people, even if they cause self inflicted injuries.
In short- guy is a gobshite, NHS shoulda done a better job of helping him regardless, he still shouldn't sue 'em.
Orlanth wrote:The outrage over the lawsuit has overshadowed that fact that he did have a valid point:
The former postman, who consumed 20,000 calories a day, eight times as much as the average man, said he sought help from his GP after ballooning to 30 stone.
But instead of receiving help to manage his weight, he said he was told in 1996 to: 'Ride your bike more'.
He went to the NHS for help and was told to exercise more. That like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking or a gambling addict to stop gambling, ultimately its what they need to do, but more help is needed.
People who are obese arre entitled to help in terms of diet pills and other aids that can help them. I was under the body mass index to qualify (18 stone and heavy built) and so could not get this support, this guy very clearly qualified at 30 stone. Fatties and people who are potential fatties need more than just a diet, they need real help. Once the pounds are on getting them off is hard and without results its all too easy to give up. Support was required, at the time he wasn't given much of any.
That much is fair, beyond that he is on his own.
Let him sue, as far as we are aware no-one force fed him and he was obviously aware of the consequences of overeating as the symptoms do not appear overnight. Let him have his day in court, lose and become an object lesson.
My only concern is if he is getting legal aid to do this. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt, people who have clear need of a state lawyer often can't get one, people with a dogma drum to beat are high on the queue to do, free of charge. Fatties are not generally seen as a disadvantaged minority, and he isn't ethnic so its quite possible he will have to fund himself. On the other hand he might be able to play the disabled card to drag this out at taxpayers expense.
This is the most sense on this thread!
I wonder if he's suing in a cry for help. If he has a disorder then he should have gotten help.
Additionally people's genetics and metabolism are totally different so we should not judge people. He needs help, he tried to get it and was fobbed off. It's not totally his fault but then again he bears some responsibility for eating 20,000 calories per day. (logistically how did he get the food?)
I don't know, whatever happened to taking responsibility for one's own actions instead of trying to blame addiction/internet/society for one's ills? I mean I am sure gamblers, druggies, alcoholics and the morbidly obese could point to some pseudo disorder bs to pin their troubles on but whatever happened to self-analysis and saying 'I have a problem here, lets sort it out?'
This guy didn't balloon to 70 stone overnight, surely at some point he must have thought he was getting a touch heavy?
Personally, the day I can't see my own genitals is probably the warning sign.
. He weighs 1/2 ton 
what the hell was he eating?
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