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Kanluwen wrote:
I think you're really missing the point.

Powerloaders and APUs were 'improvised'. The Powerloader, for example, was not built for combat. Ripley just opted to use it, because hey--it's not like she had anything else to really work with to kill the Queen. The weapons lockers, munitions, etc were not readily accessible to her and even then--she'd likely kill Newt using the kinds of munitions she'd have to use to down the Queen.

Point wasn't missed. I was just describing what was probably going on in the minds of the designers. GW isn't know for improvising. They make stuff that is all "WOW look at the size of that thing!" And then they completely miss the point and fail. Most people barely recognize the flaws and will buy the stuff up. When over half the population misses the point, you really don't have to appeal to the rest.

So I do agree with you, but it isn't worth complaining too much about. Our complaints fall on deaf ears. Its like beating a dead horse. There isn't a sufficient amount of people willing to show what they mean by withholding their wallets. People should just make the best of it and move on.

Maybe it isn't worth you complaining about it, but I'll complain it as much as I damned well please!

As for "the Inquisition fields the most advanced technology"--sure they do. But again: this isn't "powered armor" or an "exoskeleton". It's crap.

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

Kanluwen wrote:Maybe it isn't worth you complaining about it, but I'll complain it as much as I damned well please!

As for "the Inquisition fields the most advanced technology"--sure they do. But again: this isn't "powered armor" or an "exoskeleton". It's crap.

You know what? I think I was just having this same conversation with KingCracker and voting in the off topic forum. If everyone thought like you, we would have our demands met. I think I am going to pick up my pitchfork now. Do you have a torch I can borrow?

Dark wrote:I'd rather scratchbuild something in between a Dradnought and a Titan.

Those exist. They're called Knights.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

The Dreadknight is, quite frankly, an abomination and a slight against the Imperium and Grey Knights in general.

Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

I'm in the crowd of people who voted on "awesome". I just like it. Looks good enough as is to me, and converted I think it will look even cooler!
Just don't get caught hating the haters who hate it. Bad things happen

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

classic.
i like the model and i suppose haters gotta hate
lol

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Kanluwen wrote:And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

I like you, Kan, but you're kind of over the top on this one.

I get that you don't like it, but it is your response to it that is completely disproportional.

You are basically seconds away from Godwin'ing the damn thing.

Are you trying to overcompensate in this case so as to disprove the whole 'apologist' BS?

Kanluwen wrote:Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

Looking at its actual stats and abilities, I think it's a bit funny that the killing of 'big' daemons is optimally done by Librarians at I10 with or without squads of GK backing him up.

Pop I10, deal one wound, pass Ld test, goodbye Daemon Prince/Skarbrand/Mortarion.

DKs in-game are better suited to fighting Soulgrinders (which Libby + Unit + Might of Titan + Hammerhand is also much better suited to killing) or tarpitting big squads of power weapon daemons.

Nope. I'm just of the opinion that anyone who likes this abomination needs to be checked for brainslugs and/or anime sympathies.

Because clearly, there's a disconnect. It's "unacceptable!" that Draigo has a legend attached to him talking about his exploits over the course of a thousand years--but the Dreadknight, an absurd mecha contraption is just shrugged at as "Eh, it looks cool".

I absolutely love it...and I rarely like Marine models.

I will probably get one, as a big brother to the forge world sentinel powerloader. replace that terminator with a AMP suit style cockpit.

I really like the look of it. Got to like it more when I spun the 3D version around and saw that the back side of it had some structure to it, along with the familiar power plant. Also like how the feet resemble a titan's feet. Always wondered why dreadnoughts didn't have the same foot when they're built buy the mechanicum as well.

As for the guy hanging on the front? I think it's fine (with a helmet). He's wearing the most durable suit of armor in the universe. He's not in the walker for protection, he's in it for added strength. As opposed to rolling tanks around, he can now thrown them. While the harness could have been done better, and I'd probably remodel it myself, it's designed to stick with the style of the ones found in the drop pod model.

The look of it isn't supposed to be like everyone else's stuff, it's supposed to set the Grey Knights apart. This is THEIR unit.

At the end of the day, 40k is supposed to be a little silly. We're talking about a universe where space elves shoot ninja stars at zombie robots. I think it's got just the right amount of campiness to it, whilst still maintaining a cool robot look. Should be fun to build and play with.

Kanluwen wrote:Nope. I'm just of the opinion that anyone who likes this abomination needs to be checked for brainslugs and/or anime sympathies.

Because clearly, there's a disconnect. It's "unacceptable!" that Draigo has a legend attached to him talking about his exploits over the course of a thousand years--but the Dreadknight, an absurd mecha contraption is just shrugged at as "Eh, it looks cool".

I would say the opposite. I like Draigo's fluff and the DK.

I'm not a particular fan of Anime.

So what is my disconnect? Why am I bad person?

Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Brother SRM wrote:

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

The thing is this doesn't fit in with the Marine aesthetics. There's absolutely no precedent for this, and nothing looks similar in any way. Imperial vehicles aren't smooth.

OMFG! U guys arent the brightest light arent you? Since when are grey knights ACTUAL marines? they are pretty different.....

Great, a lolkid just came in. That won't set Kan off again...

hehe FAIL! wrote:
OMFG! U guys arent the brightest light arent you? Since when are grey knights ACTUAL marines? they are pretty different.....

and it's YOU, not U

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Really, to me campy is the best way to describe the Dreadknight. That's how I'd describe the APU from The Matrix series too though.

It shares nothing with mechs or powered armor, but instead seems to be a Westernized amalgation of mecha and construction equipment. And reminds me of something that we would have seen in Flash Gordon.

seriously kan you need to relax mate.i get that your not happy with the new range but come on man chill.

Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

Kanluwen wrote:Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

wow i see youve got an itchy flamer trigger.sorry for trying to lighten up what is coming across as a one man rantathon.or maybe once again im not reading well enough.

Kanluwen wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Really, to me campy is the best way to describe the Dreadknight. That's how I'd describe the APU from The Matrix series too though.

It shares nothing with mechs or powered armor, but instead seems to be a Westernized amalgation of mecha and construction equipment. And reminds me of something that we would have seen in Flash Gordon.

But tell me the truth, if that thing actually existed and you had one, tell me you wouldn't ride it to work!


Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

And a powered field.

I'm done debating with Kan over it. He has this overwhelming hatred of it that debate cannot compete with.

pretre wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

And a powered field.

I'm done debating with Kan over it. He has this overwhelming hatred of it that debate cannot compete with.

See that is what I have always disliked about debates. If someone can have a overwhelming hatred of something, why can't they accept that someone might have a overwhelming satisfaction with the same thing? I can accept that someone hates something, but the street should go both ways. I don't think kan has brainslugs for hating it, but I am starting to believe something is wrong.

Kanluwen wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Not that this would be needed at all, but: