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pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

I like it, but the first thing I thought when I saw was...

Dark Scipio wrote:Not that this would be needed at all, but: penitent engine

Look, a prior Inquisition walker with someone strapped to the front!! Guess it probably didn't work as well as they thought, so they updated and improved it. Those wacky inquisitors.

Not to mention that aethetic has progressed many times in the history of the Imperium. Examples:
RT Land Speeder > 2nd Ed Land Speeder > Early 3rd Land Speeder > Current Land Speeder
Old Rhino > Current Rhino
Old Old Predator > 2nd / 3rd Ed Pred > Current Pred > Baal Pred
Old LR > Current Land raider > Crusader > Redeemer
RT Missile Launchers > 2nd Ed ML > 3rd Ed > 4th Ed > 5th Ed

Things went from very rounded to very precise and boxy in the last few years. I imagine this was to show the 'standardization' of machinery, etc.

There is no reason that they still cannot continue to change and update.


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Son 0f Dorn wrote:

pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

No could be. There is. It is in the codex fluff.

shingouki wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

wow i see youve got an itchy flamer trigger.sorry for trying to lighten up what is coming across as a one man rantathon.or maybe once again im not reading well enough.

Maybe. But seriously:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...
The concept is weak to begin with. The execution and design are flawed.

The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it.

See that is what I have always disliked about debates. If someone can have a overwhelming hatred of something, why can't they accept that someone might have a overwhelming satisfaction with the same thing? I can accept that someone hates something, but the street should go both ways. I don't think kan has brainslugs for hating it, but I am starting to believe something is wrong.

I can't accept that anyone who actually liked Grey Knights previously likes it simply because I can't accept the execution of a flawed concept.

But then again, I also can't accept that Kasrkin are 'just' Stormtroopers when the fluff has them being more on par with Halo's Spartans than the UNSC Marines.
I can't accept that the Swarmlord is a 'unique' character, since after all: he's constantly evolved in different areas of the Hive Fleet's advances to face a foe that is 'necessary'

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
That it was a crappy design, with a repenting psyker strapped in?

Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

Kanluwen wrote:Maybe. But seriously:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...
The concept is weak to begin with. The execution and design are flawed.

The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it.

See, that's more of a viable dialogue. Less 'I HATES THE BAGGINSES' and more 'Here is why I dislike that particular hobbit...'

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
That it was a crappy design, with a repenting psyker strapped in?

Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

It is a prior imperial design similar to what we are talking about. You were saying there is no progression.

Dammit, he dragged me back in.

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Son 0f Dorn wrote:

pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

No could be. There is. It is in the codex fluff.

@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Just dont want to see this thread turn into a /b/ols flame war :(

Unlikely... We have class*.



* And Mods.

Kanluwen wrote:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...

...The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it...


...Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

You are starting to break...

You should count to ten, and try and get the rage back. If you keep posting in this thread you are going to end up liking the thing. Here is a pic for you to lighten your mood even more:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.


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Lord Scythican wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...

...The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it...


...Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

You are starting to break...

You should count to ten, and try and get the rage back. If you keep posting in this thread you are going to end up liking the thing. Here is a pic for you to lighten your mood even more:

I'm not starting to break at all. I've said pretty consistently that I hate the concept and execution.

That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the work that went into it though.

And even as someone who is new to dakka it's very apparent. It's nice to get everyone's insight, but it's useless to impotently reiterate the same opinions.

Nah. It's important to keep restating that fact.

Since you're new, I'm going to fill you in on a secret:

There will be so much whining about the little things done by GW that it makes my hate for the Dreadknight look tame.

Kanluwen wrote:

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
.

Are you serious? Are multiple persons using your account?

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?

They are very similar designs used by the Inquisition, one looking more refined as the other that was less refined (coming from harvesting).

Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

But that is progression! No more hardwired psykers, industrial implements, and it now has a operating system and better armour! Plus the pilot can now get out and use the bathroom at each rest stop if he wants.

Kanluwen wrote:Nah. It's important to keep restating that fact.

Since you're new, I'm going to fill you in on a secret:

There will be so much whining about the little things done by GW that it makes my hate for the Dreadknight look tame.

All it's done is fill four pages with the same 3 sentences. What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

As for the latter, I've noticed that as well

Looks silly. Sillier than the penitent engine. The only good thing about it is conversions.

It's kind of a cool looking model, but I don't think it belongs in 40k

Lord Scythican wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

But that is progression! No more hardwired psykers, industrial implements, and it now has a operating system and better armour! Plus the pilot can now get out and use the bathroom at each rest stop if he wants.

No it's not. It's a step sideways, not a step forwards.

It's like the evolution of attack helicopters fielded by the US during Vietnam.

Originally: they were Hueys equipped with rocket launchers and miniguns salvaged from elsewhere. That's a 'step sideways', because there's no real technological advancement--but rather, it's just tacking on to an existing concept.

When we saw the AH-1 Cobra introduced--that was a step forwards. It was built from the ground-up to be an attack helicopter, it didn't just have things 'tacked on'.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

I've said that before too

I would have gone with something like:

Basically:
I wouldn't have shoehorned in some gigantic beast like this was done. I would have had a Terminator suit modified to carry the weapons. Not a Terminator piloting some giant weapons platform.

Or, if I really had to live with the idea of it being a 'giant weapons platform', I would have had the pilot fully enclosed in the middle and the thing built to resemble Terminator Armour, just upsized. None of this "guy hanging in the middle" garbage

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Son 0f Dorn wrote:What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

I've said that before too

I would have gone with something like:

Basically:
I wouldn't have shoehorned in some gigantic beast like this was done. I would have had a Terminator suit modified to carry the weapons. Not a Terminator piloting some giant weapons platform.

Or, if I really had to live with the idea of it being a 'giant weapons platform', I would have had the pilot fully enclosed in the middle and the thing built to resemble Terminator Armour, just upsized. None of this "guy hanging in the middle" garbage

For what it is worth, I would have rather seen something like that too. I can't stand the Dreadnoughts stubby little legs. It looks like it was built by men for orks.

Oh no, S0D.

I refuse to have anything to do with the Dreadknight. It and the Jokaero are dead to me.

One of the local players on the yahoo group for my FLGS was talking about how he's going to field as many Dreadknights as he can because "the model is so cool!".

I promptly bought enough kits to field 6 Vendettas, and have enough melta/plasma that I can potentially field in my Guard that I can down all those Dreadknights first turn.


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Also:
The Dreadnought, while stubby, at least makes a modicum of sense. The problem is that you're not seeing the full dexterity of a Dreadnought when it's rendered in a 3D format.

The feet, no joke, are an essential part of it. The 'toes' are articulated and can dig in to steady it while it moves.

Why didn't they just make it piloted by an "honored brother" like a dread? It would have looked much cooler to me if it just had a sarcophagus built into the silly thing.

At least you're prepared I suppose. I'm just a sucker for the mechs in 40k. I have 5 dreadnoughts, am starting a Tau army because I've always liked how they look (and how they should play, but can't) and have a soft spot for sentinels and war walkers too. So, the DK hits a soft spot for me. I think I like it because it reminds me of the Mars Knights at the begining of Mechanicum. All depends on points costs and how it plays though. Not sure if codex will justify starting another army.

I love the Dreadknight. I want it to carry my baby.

I HEARBY DECLARE THIS DEAD HORSE TO BE FULLY BEATEN!

Nurglitch wrote:I love the Dreadknight. I want it to carry my baby.

I want it to carry my termina....


I see what you did there....

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Not that this would be needed at all, but:

And this model is perfect for imperium. It's clunky, it's simple and just looks mean. If the dreadknight lost the hands, and the carriage was changed it would be perfect. For now, it's a complete and utter meh.

I liked GK when they were: "Epic badasses fighting the most horrific-unimmaginable-that-no-other-could-face, Daemons." However, the dreadnight just isn't it. I would rather have my squad of GKs taking down that Daemonic monstrocity rather than some gigantic MC (of which I totally agree that MCs are XENOS territory, not Imperium).

As to the model itself, the dread sarcophagus, this: is what I would be mounting to the front of my Dreadknights IF I get one or two. The piece without the arms or legs, the center. Then I would take that terminator (the one which comes with the kit), convert him a little bit using extra bits from other GK Terminator kits and, VIOLA, another terminator is added to my ranks.

Kanluwen wrote:Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

Because Kan, as I've been telling you for such a long time now, the fluff is arbitrary. Why do they need something now that they haven't had before? Because GW needs to sell a new kit, so *bampf* the Dreadknight has now always been there and has been an important part of the Grey Knights for hundreds of years and the thing they always use when fighting Greater Daemons.

I don't like the new model as a DreadKnight, I think this 'skinny' dreadnought a Dakka member made a while back is much, much, MUCH better look as to how a DreadKnight should be:




I will, however, be buying a couple for my IG army to use as armoured sentinels, these things will look AWESOME in camo with a catachan stuck inside....





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