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Remember when GW thought this model was a good idea?


And then they came out with this one?

And things made more sense.

And now GW's come out with another model with a guy bolted to the front of a vehicle instead of inside of it like a sensible person.

I personally love it...I don't care if it fits into the aesthetic of the imperium, which ultimately comes down to...'hey, we found this random design in an ancient computer, let's built it in a thousand years' anyway.

Every now and again, the Adeptus Mechanicus has to find something truly good or different. This looks to me like something that has actually been preserved from the Golden age of humanity that is constantly alluded to in all the books anyway.

I don't play Grey Knights and probably won't, but for once, I might buy this model just for the look!

None of the options fitted the bill.
I quite like the walker but won't be buying one. Yer man looks a bit like a target but it fits with the Penitence engine design.
So I have no problems with it not looking like a dread.

The Fredknight is better than a Stormraven imho Kroot and is probably more aerodynamic with more chance of actaully being able to get airbourne!

ps left in the typo in honour of Andrew Flintoff.


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pps The Eldar one says the dude is protected by fields of protective stuff so he's okay. The Dreadknight presumably has no such invisible barrier to pain and mutillation.
He must feel so vunerable.

Maybe Grey Knight Land Raider Crusaders have their driver also pinned to the outside

... and your option is "Yes, it is awesome and I WOULD buy one or several" (i.e. if I collected Grey Knights)

Can you add in a poll question for "not a fan of this or any of the GK models" or something similar? I don't think I'm the only one who doesn't really care for any of the models shown. Most knew GW models are great (most), but this whole range seems like a bit of a letdown. Lets compare this Dreadknight with the Arachnarok that Orcs and Goblins got in the fantasy section...yeah, that spider is BEAUTIFUL-the Dreadknight and most of the GK range fails. Just this man's opinion

I like the potential cartoony fun of the Knight getting splatted into the ground when the Landraider door drops open!

I would possibly play GK if I could have Daffy Duck on the front of the LR!

I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

Brother SRM wrote:

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

The thing is this doesn't fit in with the Marine aesthetics. There's absolutely no precedent for this, and nothing looks similar in any way. Imperial vehicles aren't smooth.

What are the other Marine MCs that it would fit the aesthetic of? I'd like to see someone superimpose a scaled GK terminator (without shoulder pads) over top of the Dreadknight picture. I bet they would have similar profiles.

I like it, and will likely buy 2 ... depending on the rules of course. I'm looking for something to fill the role that the Wraithlord does.

I don't hate it. All I see are conversion parts and a whole feth-ton of opportunity.

Vastly superior to Chibihawk.

I'm getting 2 or 3.

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

I was al lready to hate on it, despite its design aesthetic being consistent with the GW design of 'curved = high tech, boxy = low tech', and then I saw this picture. Really, it sums up how I feel about 40,000 and its inherent ridiculousness. Basically, this one goes up to 11.

Will probably replace the baby carrier with an armoured box.
Otherwise, I depending on the price, I could probably scratchbuild something close to it.

Not a fan of most of the new stuff, tbh.
The new termies don't compare to the old ones (either original or 3rd ed).
The new GK don't compare and the double stick mags for the SBs look stupid.

I'll be keeping an eye out for dumped metals as the noobs replace them with the plastics - and then the plastics three months later as the initial buzz wears off.

solkan wrote:
And now GW's come out with another model with a guy bolted to the front of a vehicle instead of inside of it like a sensible person.

Guardian in mesh armor is hardly equivalent to a Grey Knight in Terminator armor. How much more protection can he need? He's already in Terminator Armor.

my opinion is its alright butkinda like the thingos from Avatar( Person punches mec punches) hey idk..

I don't care for it at all, the exposed pilot and baby seat are full slowed. The new bolter (heavy bolter? psycannon?) looks like it was bodged together from spare bolter parts in Ork fashion, and clashes head-on with the Grey Knight aesthetic. The Psilencer is a very bad pun in a setting full of bad puns, and that's saying a lot. After all, this is a setting where the Ultramarines, the ultramarine ultra marines from Ultramar, are the greatest heroes of them all. One might have hoped the agents of the Inquisition had a better sense of taste and decorum than that. But I suppose there's no accounting for Matt Ward.

Ugh, I'm starting to rant. I'll just say, nothing can surprise me after GW actually released the Blood Angels' Shortbus.

It's HERESY and no previous fluff to back it, I don't like it and think its a really stupid concept but with pose alterations and a bothered hobbyist it could really turn out pretty bad ass looking, it would be the standard pose that makes it look like a gak salad. looks better? Well so i think with my hobo photoshop skills:
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Dreadknight?

Oh, you mean the new Ork Deff Dread model

Yeah, I might get one for my Ork army.

I have already said my peace and I am not poking my nose further into this controversial topic.

I am still baffled however...

Over 50% like the model so far. Unexpected but that's what the poll was for.

Looks like it's the same case as the Stormraven; the ones that don't like it are more vocal than the ones that do. In thise case the ones that don't like it are even the minority it seems. Myself, I like the Dreadknight and I think it fits with the Grey Knights. The most common arguments seem to be:

Space Marine vehicles should be boxy!
It's not a vehicle, it's a suit. Power Armour -> Tactical Dreadnought Armour -> Dreadknight Armour. Power Armour and Terminator armour is also sleek looking. And Grey Knights have always been more sleek looking than regular Space Marines. Compare Psycannons and Incinerators with Heavy Bolters and Multi-Meltas.

The pilot still wearing his Terminator Armour!
So? The driver of a Landraider is still wearing his armour, and Terminator armour is probably more common than Power Armour for GKs, seeing as every GK has his own personal suit of Terminator Armour.

The Imperium doesn't have any technical advancement, they shouldn't get new stuff!
Simply not true, there have been numerous cases of technological advancement, it's just very slow. But if there's any chapter that should have access to new stuff, it's probably the Grey Knights.

It's too spindly looking!
I actually think it's pretty bulky, especially when you compare it to a Wraithlord or something. Suits me just fine.

Do I think it's the best model GW has released ever? No, not by far. But I do like it, and intend to get at least 1 for GK army, and may eventually get a second one if I like how it plays.

Bought one already. All I can afford this month.

Love the model, love the idea of it (why send 100 GK and a BC to kill a daemon primarch when you can send one Dreadknight? WEll, maybe 3 or 4....) and dont see it as silly - it's awesomely crazy, yes, but people say that like it s abad thing...

Also the stormraven is much, much better than the picutres ever lead you to believe. The unbroken red just didnt work.

Like a lot of people here, I really don't like the Dreadknight but still don't consider it to be a total train-wreck (like the Chibi-Hawk). It's absurd, even by 40K standards, and has a lot of problems, but I see those problems as fixable.

How to fix those problems is another story though. I'd need to see one in the flesh to see if its chief problem - those stupid goofy extra-long legs - can be made to so something other than stand at ease. Then, once that's tackled, it's onto the baby-harness and if that can be replaced with a Ven Dreads sarcophagus. And I'm pretty sure you can leave off the dopey hydraulic arms. Beyond that, the rest of pretty good ('cept the weedy hammer, but I'm more of a Great Sword man myself - that thing is awesome!).

I quite like it, although the one thing I'd leave off would be the servo-arm-things coming out of its shoulders, remove them and it looks rather nice!

L. Wrex

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

Yeah, it looks like he's dancing to "Puttin on the Ritz"

You know if there wasn't any powerloaders in aliens, APUs in Matrix, AMP's in Avatar, and this guy: http://io9.com/#!5780317/why-build-a-homemade-exoskeleton-to-freak-out-your-friends-of-course

Then I would probably have a problem with it. As is, it isn't much different than what I have seen in a lot of other fictional universes. In warhammer 40K people seem to get mad if it isn't realistic enough. This thing was made for people who like powerloaders, APUs, and AMPs.

If you didn't like the scene from Aliens where Ripley got in the thing and fought the Queen Alien, then more power to you. But according to popularity and polls, you are in the minority. I think it is safe to say the Dread Knight will sell really good no matter how much the haters hate.

The model is awesome. Until you look at how the pilot is mounted. Now I can't stop looking at it, and its a terrible design. Give the pilot a cockpit and you are golden, the model looks great. However, as is this model looks silly. I would definitely have to convert a cockpit to use it.

I love it, it is over the top and ridiculous, perfect for 40k!

A lot of people are complaining about the front mount nature of it but really? When was the last time any vehicle design from 40k made sense to use in the real world? They normally don't, but are they cool? yup. Just like the DK.

My only gripe is its a little tall, but what ever I'll suck it up and get over it, especially since that'll make it harder for it to get cover, and I dont plan to play GK

Lord Scythican wrote:You know if there wasn't any powerloaders in aliens, APUs in Matrix, AMP's in Avatar, and this guy: http://io9.com/#!5780317/why-build-a-homemade-exoskeleton-to-freak-out-your-friends-of-course

Then I would probably have a problem with it. As is, it isn't much different than what I have seen in a lot of other fictional universes. In warhammer 40K people seem to get mad if it isn't realistic enough. This thing was made for people who like powerloaders, APUs, and AMPs.

If you didn't like the scene from Aliens where Ripley got in the thing and fought the Queen Alien, then more power to you. But according to popularity and polls, you are in the minority. I think it is safe to say the Dread Knight will sell really good no matter how much the haters hate.

I think you're really missing the point.

Powerloaders and APUs were 'improvised'. The Powerloader, for example, was not built for combat. Ripley just opted to use it, because hey--it's not like she had anything else to really work with to kill the Queen. The weapons lockers, munitions, etc were not readily accessible to her and even then--she'd likely kill Newt using the kinds of munitions she'd have to use to down the Queen.

The APU was, again, improvised. The humans didn't have much to work with(not to mention an incredibly limited manufacturing capability) that could down the heavier robots--but mounting heavy weapons on a powered exoskeleton intended for shifting cargo would work.

The AMP, though, is a different beast entirely. As much as I dislike it--I can accept it a bit better. The goal of 'mechs' like the AMP is to provide a more comfortable way for soldiers to be on extended control and to operate better in hazardous environments, while providing them a larger amount of punch.

Plus:

The pilot isn't just 'hanging there' like he is in the Powerloader/Dreadknight. Hell, even the APU has the pilot 'seated'.

If the Dreadknight had an enclosed canopy, the pilot was seated, and the torso functioned as a 'cockpit' of sorts--I'd probably find it more acceptable.

As it is: it's crap.

I like the model but hate the rules. MCs should be xenos territory only imo. It should of been a walker.

Thanks for the poll, It shows that a clear mayority like the modell.

And the complains about not fitting Space Marines:
Dont forget, the =I= forces field the most modern/Advanced equipment of the Imperium (esp. Deathwacht and Grey Knights), much more than even Space Marines.

Protection:
There isnt any pilot hanging there unprotected, I dont like the style, but wearing a Terminator armour is much better than most armoured cabins.