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Think of it this way...SM are the poster army for GW...they draw in the new players. Making the "good guys" sisters, DH, WH, etc it would really be more a nod to existing customers...and we all know GW isnt worried about existing customers, the want new blood.

Very likely it will be non-ultramarines vs chaos of some sort.

Id go with BT vs CSM as a high odds bet. Could just be a generic SM vs CSM set too...

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:I heard a rumor that the new 40k Starter set will feature Chaos and Witch Hunters.
Any confirmation on this?
Thoughts on this?
I personally think that would be awesome, my grandma decided to start playing 40k as Witch Hunters and I play Chaos

Grandma playing 40k? How awesome is this?
About the starter set, its not a wishlist.
SM will certainly be part of it and whatever traitor/xenos army you can think of.

Kettu wrote:
Turns out you have four other codices and 999 other chapters to choose from

Five other.

Black, grey, green, red and shiny.

I'm hoping for Black Space Marines vs Green Space Marines so we can really appreciate the diversity found amongst marines.

Kettu wrote:http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/03/11/grey-knight-codex-limited-time-only/
Found it.

Ok the ”Bombshell” I really need to use better wording…

”By the end of the next Olympics we will be treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now thaGrey Knight Codex Q&A Limited Time onlyt is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time in a long time neither Xenos nor the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will be featured. Nor will the Sledgehammer of the Emperor be chosen to fill the starter box.

What that means for all of us… we shall have to wait and see.

And I got the quote wrong; Warriors of Robert, not Ultramar.

None the less, that still only describes one of over a 1000 artificial colours and flavours.

Why doesn't anyone propose the most obvious: IG vs CSM.

Any way, I believe the rumour is wrong. I don't think we will get 6th edition next year, and I believe it will feature a Xenos race, most likely Tyranids...or when I think about it, maybe Necrons. They are pushing them as major bad guy race, but they aren't common enough. Putting them to starter set would go long way.

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:my grandma decided to start playing 40k

one word.... EPIC! XD

:edit:

has anyone considered it could actually be necrons and eldar? there both in need of update, necrons more urgently so

Mad4Minis wrote:Think of it this way...SM are the poster army for GW...they draw in the new players.

Duh. That's what happens when GW dotes upon one army and leaves everyone else to rot for years at a time. They've got as many plastic kits as the Sisters, Necrons, Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tyranids put together.

Backfire wrote:Why doesn't anyone propose the most obvious: IG vs CSM.

Because they're the Sledgehammer of the Emperor, which the rumour says is not part of the starter box.

Heh.... adeptus mechanicus vs. chaos space marines with dark mechanicus units included (defiler, obliterators or the like).... that would be beyond awesome. Give the Adeptus Mechanicus some kind of stalker tank, and the CSM a defiler. Imagine all the drooling

Or Adeptus Mechanicus vs. necron.... war for the Dragon of Mars...


Bet you can't guess what I play.

CSM vs Mechanicus is the best fit for the no-SM/IG/Xenos rumour but it would be way too smart a move for GW.

Ad-Mech is not a smart move.
To add them then you need to make a new army book, a full range of minis and continuing support.

GW can't even get one of those steps right for two whole armies at current.

Actually Ad-Mech would be an easy thing for them to add.

For the codex, the fluff is already there so it is easy to add in. As to squads, many of the tanks/transports/etc... are already in the game, so this acts as a way to increase sales of existing models (not to mention tech priest, enginseers, sevitors, inquistor models that would make good leaders etc...)

All they would really need to add are plastic robed skitarrii, plastic servitors (which they seem to be going towards anyway), and possibly some special vehicles/mod sprues for the skitarrii to make them stronger for elites. (Vehicles like stalker tanks are easy they already produce all the parts needed on the defiler and tank sprues, so it is just boxing those... Add in something like a knight engine and possibly a termite transport and you are good on vehicles)

Overall it would be a win/win for them... They sell their more expensive vehicle kits, only have to create a few new plastic kits... and get great press. Not to mention you get attract player bases that are heavy into the scifi/borg/cyber themes.

Another advantage is you have a great in to start getting the new players drooling over titans, since the adeptus titanicus is part of the Mechanicum. Add some titan art work and show a couple forgeworld titans in the painted sections and you have a way to increase interest in the larger game among the people just starting out.

We almost all love the idea of Mechanicus, but they need to update every other army for 5th ed before adding in a new one. Saying "It's a great idea" is just saying "I want these toys." I would likely buy some Mechanicus stuff, and I'm pretty sure they'd sell well among the more hardcore players. That doesn't change the fact that they'd need to write a codex and release a full range of miniatures, which is a big undertaking.

Brother SRM wrote:We almost all love the idea of Mechanicus, but they need to update every other army for 5th ed before adding in a new one. Saying "It's a great idea" is just saying "I want these toys." I would likely buy some Mechanicus stuff, and I'm pretty sure they'd sell well among the more hardcore players. That doesn't change the fact that they'd need to write a codex and release a full range of miniatures, which is a big undertaking.

heh... like GW has a good record of updating all the existing armies before adding new ones? After all they brought out the Tau, DE, and Necron armies in the past when they were sorely needing to update existing ones.

And I already have a Ad Mech army (you dont even want to know the point value), it is more that I would love to see them support almost half of the IoM that they have neglected. On writing a Codex, that is not such a big undertaking, I wrote one (that I am in the proccess of updating compared to the changes they made with grey knights) that I never bothered to use outside of local games with permission. (Have actually considered just sending it to GW and offering it to them for free, as long as it get the army out there All they would need to add is the pictures/art.) And as I said in my last post, most of the models they would need for the range are already in production. Which means it is a win/win for them.

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

@Lunahound;
Not suicide and a rather sound decision really.
Marine sell so well so rather then continuing to flog something that sells well, you focus on the lesser selling factions. Even if just for a short time. (And you just know there will be a few Marine codices in the meantime.)

That though is the problem. GW don't operate on a long turn plan but rather one that barely will see past June 30th each year.
They won't potentially sacrifice profits for a year to see an overall improvment. They'll stick to tried and true money spiners till the detrimental end.

Hence why Sisters, Necrons and untill recently, Dark Eldar, are languishing by the way side for a decade with hope only now in sight.

It's not so much "painting them black" It's mostly about the bits. Tabbards, hearaldry, chapter-specific items. Anybody can prime a marine army black and call it the Black Templars. But to add the bits and peices to really give it the PERSONALITY of the Black Templars is something else entirely. If I had to have a choice of space marine chapter, I would say make it come with Black Templars. Price point alone, I can add to my crusaders relatively cheaply.

Honestly, I'd rather they went a different route then Space Marines. I say make it the two of the three shootiest armies available: Tau, Guard, or (if the rumors of a new codex are true) Necrons. Tau can come with a battlesuit, Guard can come with a Leman Russ, and Necrons can come with whatever new specialized unit/vehicle. Try and put other armies besides Space Marines on the front page for a change.

Ad-mech.....Good god cause thats just what this game needs another imperial army......

Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?
Ad Mech would be cool but I'd rather see Witch Hunters I'm thinking about starting a witch Hunters list as well as my grandma

I would love to see Witch Hunters vs Chaos in a starter box

however like many others I definately am a doubter on this one due to GW being well.. GW!


I dont think there has been a starter box yet without space marines, not sure there ever will be!

I'll buy it for the mini rulebook, and then sell the models if they're not for an army I want.

Now, I don't think GW actually is super at marketing enough to see this if it is the case (it seems like it would be tough to really suss out) but I wonder what percentage of starter sets are actually bought by new players as opposed to existing players.

I mean, ok, I bought 3 (or was it 4?) of the AoBR starter sets when it came out, mostly for the books, terminators and dreads. I know a fair number of fantasy players said they bought piles of the new WHFB set for the skaven and elves. Judging by eBay listings, I would say lots of people bought the sets to either start new armies or boost their existing ones, as lots of the models are up for auction.

That gets me thinking that a few players like me who think 50$-100$ is a good price for piles of plastic, a rule book and spares to sell and make some cash back probably outweigh new players just looking at dropping 50-100$ on a game they may or may not like. If vets are buying 2-3 boxes each, that requires a lot of new players to match.

So if GW thinks this is true, it might not be unlikely that they will back off marines and put in in less popular armies, thinking that "Maybe vets will get into less popular army X or Y if we sell blocks of their models cheaply." Maybe, maybe not, but perhaps not so cut and dry as "Marines are the flagship, and so must be in the box!" Of course, Ultramarines vs Ultramarines is just about as likely :(

They kinda did that with Isle of Blood, didn't they? They took fairly popular armies (not as popular as OnG, Dwarves or WoC) and put them into a starter set together. It seems to have sold really well, so maybe that is exactly what they are planning?

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?

How the heck can anyone say when NO ONE knows what's coming out? A rumor of something that GW may or may not release in a year is so far out there it's hilarious.

What is the possibility of Necrons as one of the armies in the starter set? I mean, I'm all for Black Templar and Daemons (this would be my dream starter set), but since 'Crons are just coming out and TECHNICALLY they're not xenos (pretty sure robots don't count as xenos) they could get some love. And after all, the black templar book DOES show a battle against wraiths...maybe GW will capitalize on them. The only reason I want daemons in the starter set is for plastic plaguebearers/herald(s)/fiends. Necrons could get a whole bunch of new goodies, including plastic wraiths which could follow GWs act of new plastics...that are only available in the starter set, making even hardcore vets buy the starter set. Oh possibilities understanding the mind of our overlords and masters....

kronk wrote:

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:Is anyone not buying the upcoming starter set?

How the heck can anyone say when NO ONE knows what's coming out? A rumor of something that GW may or may not release in a year is so far out there it's hilarious.

Too true!

I can't say one way or the other yet...

But odds are... maybe?

If the starter set includes black templars I will buy 2! and probably collect the other army too. ( I don't own black templars )

Kettu wrote:Sigh...

As much as many hope and dream for the day that GW gives any attention to the Sisters the facts speak for themselves.

It'll be Marines vs Non-Imperium.
It has always been Marines.
It'll always be Marines.

The rumors that it would be Sisters or Witch Hunters came about from a rumour that said it would not be Ultramarines.
It appears that many don't realise there are more colours then Blue on the Visible (Marine) Colour Spectrum.

As for Daemons, that came from the notion that you won't have Imperium fight themselves in the box (Although a Marines slaughter the Sisters set wouldn't suprise anyone in the least), you won't have Xenos (as per the original rumour) and Chaos Marines vs Marines would lead to a very boring box.

Sisters v. Chaos Marines would still be Marines technically speaking...

The new starter will cost $200 USD! All new codices will be hardback! 6th Edition will use cards instead of dice!

I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

lord_blackfang wrote:
whippy sticks!

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Stupid things. Stupid stupid things.

Noisy_Marine wrote:All new codices will be hardback!

This I wouldn't be surprised about actually.

It is a bit early to have more than wild guesses, but here two relevant quotes of people who claim to know:

Blood of Kittens wrote:”By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.
What that means well all of us will have to wait to find out…

That means late 2012.
Last year, stickmonkey also predicted new 40k edition in 2012, but with Eldar in the starter box.
Harry's caveat to these early rumours:

Not saying this is wrong but .... leading up to fantasy 8th edition I heard from different, equally trusted sources, absolutely rock solid information regarding the two armies in the fantasy box. Thing is they all told me different things. Right up to 12 months out I had Orcs and Empire, High Elves and Goblins and High Elves and Skaven. It wasn't until quite late in the day I was confident about what was in the box.

My point is ... whilst this first rumour may be right, I bet it is not the last rumour we hear on this.

ghost21 wrote:From what I heard BT will be in the new starter box ala Black Reach, quickly followed by their dex, as I really don't collect marines I kinda usually skip those meetings.(...)
The order I heard was BT just after 6th.

Malakai wrote:Is there a rumour that BT are going to be in the 6th ed box?

Yup, with Daemons apparently (odd choice I thought).

Malakai wrote:How reliable is this rumour? I know that anything this far out is sketchy, but maybe on a scale of 1-10?

I'd give it a 7, but remember I don't usually pay attention to Marines. I'm a Chaos and Xeno guy, but I did hear there's a character who makes a certain Grey Knights character look tame...
Oh sisters codex ... shall we say nicest codex cover of the year?(...)

The "prototypes" that a few people saw were BT and Daemons. I only report what I see annd hear.