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Necrons are in the tube and will be a fall release.

Battle Sisters are Christmas, with Tau falling in behind in early '12.

That leaves Black Templar vs Chaos as the starter set. Each with a new codex and a few goodies.

Eldar follow that in the fall.

And that is when I shall reign supreme.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:No way it will be Daemons. Too many parental issues.

Luna, you may be on to something...

I'll ask my janitorial connection.

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ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

WTF ? Thats bs

dagsta2 wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:No way it will be Daemons. Too many parental issues.

Luna, you may be on to something...

I'll ask my janitorial connection.

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ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

WTF ? Thats bs

Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Tau would be pointless without the new codex.

Tyranids would be nice to see again, but, I doubt they'll do another macragge set.

Eldar would be nice, but I think GW is trying to do something new. I believe it'll be one of the two:
•space marines against necrons
•space marines against chaos space marines

earth-star wrote:
Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Considering Jes Goodwins been working on plastic sisters...and sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

But as much as I'd love to see sisters and deamons in the next box, I'd buy a whole buch of em, it wont happen.

Kilgore Trout 420 wrote:sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

Not only his. It's a lot of people's opinion actually. Always has been.

They also are not very appealing to the young customers GW aims their starter box at. When you are a 12/15 year old boy it's just not cool at all to show your army of screaming battle women to your friends. There is a chance even the chess club will beat you up and stuff you into a locker with underwear pulled up over your head. And God knows what the football team will do to you.

I really doubt GW would be stupid enough to put this particular faction in the starter box. Black Templars are a much better option to advertise your game & earn you a lot more $$$.

Actually looking at something around $180-$200 per squad I welcome the idea of SoB in the starter set. Might get to actually buy some new GW stuff and they might start wanting my money again if they do. It also gives the bonus of when they reach apocalypse size they won't weigh the same and cost twice as much as most small cars.

Though I would not be surprised whatsoever if the starter set defies these rumors and throws Space Marines and Spikey Space Marines into the same box with some skull dice or something.

BoK is saying WD/PDF sisters w/plastics - that makes no sense whatsoever.

BT vs Chaos would be good - chaos need a re-do. Regular SM don't. Chaos also need a dex and new plastics too.

Unless its something like BT vs Tau - BT are crusading towards Tau space. Tau need a dex, new plastics too... BT would be re-done at the same time (35pt rhinos - quick kids buy rhinos before you realise 6th ed nerfs them!)

TBD

It was a mearly a joke, you obviously don't watch movies. Yes some people don't like sisters but some people do like them, both are entitled to their opinion. And I don't think it's really going to matter what toy soldiers the kid is playing with.

Of course it's going to be a flavor of marines but a lot of people would be happy if GW moved away from this and started supporting other armies.

While everyone is spazzing about what they'd like to see in a starter box, let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

Saying no smurfs but not saying no SM is basically admitting that some other chapter is going to be in the box. I think BT are the best guess but it may even be something off the wall like Salamanders or White Scars. Demons seem to be out given the "family friendly" focus they put into their retail outlets. That pretty much leaves Chaos. Thing is, MEQ vs. MEQ is pretty boring.

I agree it will most like be BT vs Chaos going off this rumour but Sisters and Deamons, as unlikely as both would be, also fall under the original rumours. And another flavor of marines is not all that "earth shattering" as I believe the rumour said. So the speculation of those two armies is not that far out there and not just wishlisting.

Breotan wrote:let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

That was just from a "rumour-monger" rather than direct from GW, surely?

Slinky wrote:

Breotan wrote:let's take a moment and go back to the one statement GW did put out. No smurfs, no IG, and no aliens.

That was just from a "rumour-monger" rather than direct from GW, surely?

Yes, it was from Blood of Kittens. It also didn't say "No Smurfs".

How often do we actually get a new starter set without a new edition some somewhere in the near future? I think for many (at least the people I know.) the last starter set was more or less an excuse to get the small version of the 5th edition codex. How long was it after 5th edition came out that Battle of Mac came along?

Am I missing something why would Black Templars be the SM army of choice when Dark Angels have a whole lot more players, easier to convert to other marine chapters and have actually graced the cover of core material before. Is there a DA codex in the works? I have been told it will be out every summer for 3 years now. ROFL must be Jervis is too busy swimming in his money vault to write it, end line the only debate is what army is in there with marines, my guess is chaos like the rest. Which leaves me thinking maybe they make the figs plain and the imperial army would be guard... hmmm choices.

BT vs. Chaos is too boring (3+ vs 3+).

As far back as I can remember the starters were:
2e: SM v. Orks
3e: SM v. DE
4e: SM v. Nids
5e: SM v. Orks

This is why I think it is SM (BT) v. Eldar.

It fits the pattern quite well and Eldar are slated for an update around that time.

EDIT: and by pattern i do not mean ork, elf, alien... I mean the goal of including two very different armies in a set. Different armor values, different speeds of play, etc.

Total speculation but I've been thinking for a while that when chaos get redone they may be going more in line with the Dawn of War games. This could mean that the starter set could include Chaos but with plastic cultists and Chaos Marines taking a more elite role. This would then be able to fit in with Black Templars or another marine chapter and not just be MEQ vs MEQ.

Uktabi wrote:Am I missing something why would Black Templars be the SM army of choice when Dark Angels have a whole lot more players, easier to convert to other marine chapters and have actually graced the cover of core material before.

Templars was on the cover in 3rd and you didn't back up your "more DA players" with sources.

I do believe Eldar could be in the 6th Ed 40K Starter Set. If not then they will certainly be the 1st 6th Ed non-starter Codex release.

Cerebrium wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:
whippy sticks!

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Stupid things. Stupid stupid things.

Probably good for scratching yourself if you have your arm in a cast.

Maybe the new thunderwolf calvary as well as fenrisian wolves models tossed into a Space Wolves Vs. Thousand Sons box?

Kilgore Trout 420 wrote:

earth-star wrote:
Well, daemons wouldn't be a parental issue fluffwise, since you can see worse on the internet, but since most of them are metal, and they're not ready to begin sculpting plastic, they're not goint to be seen anytime soon.

Same for sisters of battle, who aren't that great anyway.

Considering Jes Goodwins been working on plastic sisters...and sisters aren't that great? Well that's like, your opinion man.

But as much as I'd love to see sisters and deamons in the next box, I'd buy a whole buch of em, it wont happen.

I've played sisters, they're nowhere near as broken as blood angels, in fact, they're moderately forgiving, which would mean making a starter with them wouldn't be wise, since space marines will be a standard for any starter, the other army is generally one that isn't so forgiving, keeping in mind forgiveness is a new player's best friend.


of course, I do believe jes goodwin refuses to make plaguebearers plastic, since they're as easy as gluing them to the bases, and it's not easy sculpting nurgle daemons with plastic, just look at my ku'gath

I'd like to see Dark Angels Vs. Alpha Legion (few) with Chaos Cultists (Many), perhaps with a single official Fallen Angel model as the focal point for the scenario.

Dark Angels:

10x Tactical marines
3x Bikes
1x Attack Bike
1x Landspeeder
1x Interrogator Chaplain
1-2 Weird Things You Can't Actually Use In A Game


Alpha Legion:

Alpha Legion Instigator with Bolter

Alpha Legion Instigator with Chainsword and Plasma Pistol

Alpha Legion Instigator with Missile Launcher

10x Cultists with Lasgun (Firearms? Shotguns?)

10x Cultists with Las Pistol and CCW

3x Cultist Heavy Weapon Teams with Heavy Bolter (Stubber?)

1x Chaos Spawn

3x Mutants

1x Fallen Dark Angel with Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol

Heh, I still say Mechanicus vs. chaos space marines would be a great combo.

Magos
20 skitarrii
3 to 5 praetorians
battle engine/knight engine

vs.

chaos space marine champion
10 chaos space marines
3 to 5 oblitirators
defiler

Would be a great combination, mechanicus vs the dark mechanicus which fits in the fluff... brings out a new army... keeps the easy to use marine army in the chaos space marines. Plus you would have alot of current players buying it for the mechanicus parts or just for bits... that would be a dream for customizing figures.

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

I believe he was referring to the BT Bits upgrade kits.

Remarkably, our local GW cannot keep enough black or white in stock...

I hate to break it to everyone, but as said so many times before we're taking about GW. They are going to put marines in all their starter sets, and for good reason the marines are so easy for a new player to use and learn with and on the other hand do easy for GW to sell and market. anyways I don't think we will be seeing a new starter set for real in a while.

It will be ultramarines vs Orks
Ultramarines:
Captain
Tac Squad
Termies
Dreadnought
Orks:
Warboss
Nobs
Boyz
Deffkoptas
Balarina choppas

AvatarForm wrote:

Kettu wrote:You paint them black?
It costs you $30 to paint them black?

I... Really have to know where you buy your paints. For that kind of money that had better be good.

I believe he was referring to the BT Bits upgrade kits.

Remarkably, our local GW cannot keep enough black or white in stock...

Or the royalties you have to pay the Stones any time you paint things black. Especially red doors.

why would a CSM vs. SM box set be boring?

The Horus Heresy just happens to be the most important part of the Imperium's History IMHO so why not recreate it? If the books are anything to go by i reckon there could be some tasty scenarios and not to mention new models.

Personally, i'd like to see it and seen as alot of the guys in my GW play either some flavour SM or CSM i'm guessing they'd like it too.

Garviel wrote:why would a CSM vs. SM box set be boring?

The Horus Heresy just happens to be the most important part of the Imperium's History IMHO so why not recreate it? If the books are anything to go by i reckon there could be some tasty scenarios and not to mention new models.

Personally, i'd like to see it and seen as alot of the guys in my GW play either some flavour SM or CSM i'm guessing they'd like it too.

As a starter set, it is boring for fresh users to only experience two armies that have near identicle stat lines.

Now if there was a WH 30K starter set, you may be on to something...

Given the level of Marine love at HQ i could see this happening, but I'd be annoyed if it did. Xenos get ignored enough as it is

They aren't even involved in the HH (beyond a couple of minor mentions) which would shut out a large part of the playerbase that buys the starter sets to bulk out their own forces (AOBR being a great example).

It would let the SM fanboys have months of nerdgasms at how awesomest astartes are above anyone else though..

If it did happen i would expect the hq to be Big E when human (doubles as Emperors champion for those BT players that are still hanging in there) and Horus (because I want a Horus model to mess with, and he'd make a cool Chaos Termi lord )