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lord_blackfang wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

Considering they're getting away from the "latex bondage nun" look for Sisters, at least according to Jes Goodwin(y'know, the guy sculpting them).

Come on guys, this is GW (one hell of a greedy company) we're talking about here. Space Marines are the best way to make money, so Space Marines it will be.

More likely it will coincide with the release of the 40K mmo. As to which armies? We haven't seen necrons or Eldar in a bit...

I know for a fact, not rumor though-

If prices don't get reigned in, and a return to a playable game, I know it on great authority who will be selling quite a bit of 40K product...

We'll see if I can hit that million dollar mark.


Film at 11!

Kanluwen wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:I have it on good authority that it will feature one army vs. another.

It might even come with some dice and whippy sticks!

There are just two things I'm certain won't be in the starter:

Sisters of Battle - because moms won't buy a box with latex bondage nuns on the cover for little Timmy

Chapter-specific Space Marine models - because even GW isn't stupid enough to make the box unappealing to the majority of its customer base, that being vanilla SM players

Considering they're getting away from the "latex bondage nun" look for Sisters, at least according to Jes Goodwin(y'know, the guy sculpting them).

I'd be very surprised if the new sisters were NOT toned down. Just look at the new daemonettes versus the old ones.

A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

Kroothawk wrote:A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

Yes Kroothawk. Debate over. This will be the new box for certain.

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Kroothawk wrote:A starter box with latex bondage nuns versus a Slaanesh cult, with free whippy sticks added? Sounds like a seller !

It'll be the first time a Venereal Dreadnought will be available in plastic.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:My Sister's boyfriend knows a guy who is a janitor at at mall that has a GW store and he said that it was definitely Squats vs. Jokaero.

Feel free to add any punctuation necessary...

I heard from the guy who sculpted all the Ogre Kingdoms' derrières that it was going to be Chaos Squats Vs. Angry Marines and that there would be not just one, but two "Power Sack Full of Doorknobs" bits on the sprue.

Talking from a more considered perspective the more I think about this the more likely it is to be Sisters and Chaos in the box.

I don't know but GW is taking the internet chatter a bit more seriously.

You never know but they may have heard one too many, "never, no way of course it will be a marine codex" 'joke' over the whole Dark Eldar thing and enough Vanilla Marine refereneces to have finally given in to community demand.

Or that could just be wishful thinking.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I'd be very surprised if the new sisters were NOT toned down. Just look at the new daemonettes versus the old ones.

Apart from the old one that had 6 bewbs, I don't really see how one-breasted hermaphrodites are a toning down of pretty normal looking nekkid ladies.

If you think GW just wants to screw their customer base BT would make a lot of sense if they threw in a ton of neophiles with BP/CCW that look unmistakably like black templar neophiles rather than space marine scouts.

If you think GW just wants to sell starter boxes as possible I would say slaneesh deamons versus nuns with guns so there are boobies on both sides of the battle.

Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks? I can't imagine it's significantly cheaper then adding the much-superior vinyl tape ruler that my Mechwarrior Clix guys came with (and I still use).

You get to whip your opponent with them repetitively if you win of he breaks your models

ProphetOfChaosAscendant wrote:You get to whip your opponent with them repetitively if you win of he breaks your models

And that is exactly the use for them.

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks? I can't imagine it's significantly cheaper then adding the much-superior vinyl tape ruler that my Mechwarrior Clix guys came with (and I still use).

Especially since the Whippy sticks aren't accurate in their measurement...

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks?

They're for rule disputes. Each player takes turns hitting the other one in the forearm with one, and the first player to break the skin of the other ones wins the argument.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

Ouze wrote:Ok, so what's the deal with those whippy sticks?

They're for rule disputes. Each player takes turns hitting the other one in the forearm with one, and the first player to break the skin of the other ones wins the argument.

Man I have been doing it wrong... we have been using them till someone gives up... stopping at a little blood shows you just were not true to your arguement... WWID?

(What Would the Inquisition Do)

ETWFP

Exterminatus the whole fething planet

Sidstyler wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:The Sisters of Battle aren't popular and will never be, even with an update.

lolwut? Quite a bold statement there.

I know many like them, but....

They cannot be found in shops (thats happening more times)
and I never have seen an army of them or any article on gw website.

And well, Grey Knights arent very popular too, but it would make some sence if they would add them to a new starter set
that is including chaos.

Anyways, Sisters of Battle are in for an update indeed.

How are people going from 'Imperial stuff in the box won't be smurfs or IG' to 'the starter will include Sisters/GK'?

The imperial stuff will be marines, just not smurfs - its a starter box, they won't put anything else in there for the IoM apart from marines because that's an easy starter army and their biggest seller to boot.

The more interesting question is who are they fighting? If the rumours are true and its not xenos, then its chaos (the IoM has 2 enemies, if it ain't one, its the other), but I would be surprised if its daemons unless they are totally overhauling the codex - too many special rules, wierd deployment etc. Having said that, CSM would be dull (MEQ vs MEQ *yawn* ) so that's not too likely either.

I'm still going out on a limb for LatD (or Legions at a stretch)

To be honest, Blue Marines vs Evil marines does make good sense. Sure, it's boring and tedious, but it's also very simple, which is maybe ideal for a starter set aimed at players who have never played before.

I'm still betting on Ultramarines vs Ultramarines.... in the grimdark future of grim darkness, there is only Ultramarines!

Kettu wrote:

Caminoman wrote:Thanks for the remarks. No, 30 dollars for the upgrade sprue, as in the box of Black Templar specific bits that used to be available in a Black Templar box set of marines, but now have been pieced out. All of this while Space Wolfs, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels all have their own chapter specific box sets.

But, and this goes for BA, DA and SW as well, you can assemble the units with just a vanilla squad box as the unit is still armed the same as the next.
Back when the BT first came out I had 500 pts of them for small games and I used only the vanilla boxes. Never had any problems.

Yeah, there's 10 BP/CCWs in a tac marine box.

/sarcasm

If 'the sons of Roboute Guilliman' are Ultramarines only, then I think that Other Marines vs Daemons is a likely scenario.

I base this on:
GW like to include two very different armies in their starter boxes. They have am 'armoured' and a 'non-armoured' army, a ''good' and an 'evil' army, and a 'horde' and an 'elite' army, listed in order of importance, (see Empire vs Orcs and Brettonians vs Lizardmen also). Armored vs Non-Armoured is specifically to give different painting opportunities.

Look at Island of Blood. High elves are Good, Armoured, Elite. Skaven are Evil, Non-armoured and Horde. Same goes for Space Marines and Orcs, Dwarves and Goblins, Space Marines and Tyranids, the previous starter box sets.

Given that some colour of space marines is likely to take the Good, Armored, Elite spot, then the other one is Non-Armored, Horde, Evil.
Out of the 40k races, the 'horde' armies are: Orcs, Tyranids, Guard.
The 'non-armoured' armies are: Orcs, Tyranids, Daemons, and some guard (Cadians half fall into 'Armoured', but there are many regiments wearing predominantly cloth).

Orcs, Nids have been done recently. Guard are good, and won't be pitted against Space Marines. Daemons on the other hand, are fleshy and evil, fitting GW's requirement of diametrically opposed armies.

The only reservation I have against daemons is the possible unfairness of the distribution between the four powers - given the current models still in metal we could be looking at Flesh Hounds, Plague Bearers, Screamers and Fiends - you could end up with a lot of boxes bought just for the core models and a lot of annoyed X players because they didn't want Y god models.

I heard that when GW moves to resin they wont be redoing the KOS so in my own little fantasy slaanshi world I'm hoping it will be slaanesh daemons with a plastic KOS and remakes of the old daemonettes VS sisters of battle who will be quickly turned into sisters of slaanesh......hey, a guy can dreem cant he

Edit: +1 to what kroothawk said lol

Trasvi wrote:
GW like to include two very different armies in their starter boxes. They have am 'armoured' and a 'non-armoured' army, a ''good' and an 'evil' army, and a 'horde' and an 'elite' army, listed in order of importance, (see Empire vs Orcs and Brettonians vs Lizardmen also). Armored vs Non-Armoured is specifically to give different painting opportunities.

Look at Island of Blood. High elves are Good, Armoured, Elite. Skaven are Evil, Non-armoured and Horde. Same goes for Space Marines and Orcs, Dwarves and Goblins, Space Marines and Tyranids, the previous starter box sets.

The third 40K starter set was marines vs Dark Eldar which is two armoured elites facing off against each other. Though the Dark Eldar in that set were severely out classed.

Dar Eldar count as Armoured?

Back then didn't they have something like a 6+?


The non-marines are ALWAYS severely outclassed. It's to make the Marines look good.

Look at AOBR for example.

The marines get a dread and terminators as spiffies

The orks get deffkoptas (which i love) which on a good day, in fair wind, might pen that dread. They themselves will go down like chumps to bolter fire, let alone Multi-Melta fire from that dread.

Nob vs Terminator is victory-terminator, especially since only the Warboss has a PK.

Plus there is a 135 pt disparity in favour of the marines, just to be sure...

Don't get me wrong. AOBR was awesome for models, and I bought 5 sets, but the matchup was deeply unfair.

If i remember right Battle for Macragge was the same way (i think that was the name of it anyway (the nid vs marine one).

The nids got a bunch of borer gaunts and i think a few stealers.

Not the most imposing assault force.

Coolest thing o.p. said..grandma that plays warhammer! And anything other than UM might get me into 40k!

i think marines vs chaos marines would be good. biggest issue with people playing against my with the basic Assault on Black Reach box was that orks had mroe models (even though marines got mroe points) this way you get equal number of pieces and close number of points?

and i love my whippy sticks i still use em cut one down to 5 inches so i cna just put the stick down and move the base to the front of the stick and get 6 inch moemnt exactly

Orks are supposed to have 2 or 3 to 1 numerical superiority over marines. Equal numbers (especially with the marines having terminators and vehicles, and the orks not) is suicide to orks. I've won with AOBR set orks vs marines, but it had me sweating The marine player was bee-hatching about how many troops i had the whole time, regardless

Now if they had included plastic MANZ in the box as the counter to the termies...


Marines VS Marines (chaos or otherwise) would be Marine player's wet dream (as they could seriously grow their force) but i'm afraid it would be seriously yawnworthy for everyone else. I might pick one up for casualties and scenery work, but that would be it.

I'm hoping for plastic nurgle daemons vs marines myself

Rules of Thumb: Shooty vs Assaulty, PA vs Non-PA, Good vs Bad...

Here are my guesses:

IG vs CSM (or CSM plus Demons)
SM vs Eldar

and for the hail mary: IG vs Necron

I seriously doubt that Sisters will be in the starter box because they simply do not anchor the game for new players like SM or IG.