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The reason I like the Ultramarines is because im a Military man myself, and I look at it this way, much to the chargrin of the UM haters..

The Ultramarines were the most professional of all the legions, they all had their quirks, stoicism, feral aggression and what have you, but Ultramarines were all abot good solid drills, practice.

Gulliman would have practiced the most, he will have gone down the gym and trained like a professional fighter, and he killed Alpharius in a duel, so he musta been pretty rock anyways.

I think just like in boxing, the guy who trains the hardest is the hardest, and out of all of them, Roboute must have been the most professional right? Not given to rage and fury Perutarbo and Russ, not spending too much time on his books like Magnus, just a calm professional that trains hard and thinks hard, he woulda took them all apart!

And when he did lose, the guy had 6 arms and poisoned knives!

mattyrm wrote: The reason I like the Ultramarines is because im a Military man myself, and I look at it this way, much to the chargrin of the UM haters..

The Ultramarines were the most professional of all the legions, they all had their quirks, stoicism, feral aggression and what have you, but Ultramarines were all abot good solid drills, practice.

Gulliman would have practiced the most, he will have gone down the gym and trained like a professional fighter, and he killed Alpharius in a duel, so he musta been pretty rock anyways.

I think just like in boxing, the guy who trains the hardest is the hardest, and out of all of them, Roboute must have been the most professional right? Not given to rage and fury Perutarbo and Russ, not spending too much time on his books like Magnus, just a calm professional that trains hard and thinks hard, he woulda took them all apart!

And when he did lose, the guy had 6 arms and poisoned knives!

Yeah, I like all of these features about the UM's, seriously and I think they're underestimated in this regard.

It's worth mentioning however, that he APPARENTLY killed Alpharius in a duel, who wasn't the most talented swordsman as it was. Whilst he probably trained a lot, I think the minority of this training would be in close combat prowess/swordsmanship, but rather leadership/tactics etc. Guilliman was well regarded as possibly the best tactician/data handler of all the Primarchs, however the fluff seems to indicate he's fairly average (for Primarch standards) in close combat I think...

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:If someone can photoshop a picture of Sangy meme style with the text
"Ka'Banda broke my legs

I broke his back "
I would be your best friend/ give you a cookie

Best I could do with the tools at my disposal. Yes, I know Ka'Banda is spelt wrong. Would you believe I meant to do that :

iproxtaco wrote: Lorgar is not the fastest, strongest, or most skilled in body or in mind. He does however have vision.

And his vision is an eternity of his beloved father being disappointed in him. He'll never get that atta'boy he so desperately craves now. So it's non-stop pouting for him.

I think if you put them all into a pit fit and told them to fight to the death Russ/Angron would get most the primarchs but they would basically get each other, one would stagger away and get stabbed in the back by Alpharius/Omegon who had dodged all the fighting by hiding

mattyrm wrote: The reason I like the Ultramarines is because im a Military man myself, and I look at it this way, much to the chargrin of the UM haters..

The Ultramarines were the most professional of all the legions, they all had their quirks, stoicism, feral aggression and what have you, but Ultramarines were all abot good solid drills, practice.

Gulliman would have practiced the most, he will have gone down the gym and trained like a professional fighter, and he killed Alpharius in a duel, so he musta been pretty rock anyways.

I think just like in boxing, the guy who trains the hardest is the hardest, and out of all of them, Roboute must have been the most professional right? Not given to rage and fury Perutarbo and Russ, not spending too much time on his books like Magnus, just a calm professional that trains hard and thinks hard, he woulda took them all apart!

And when he did lose, the guy had 6 arms and poisoned knives!

QFT

Go Guillie! Show them who's the daddy smurf!

Whose the daddy of them all? Papa Smurf!

Pilau Rice wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
Meh, so what if he didn't have broken legs, he still crushed a Bloodthirster with his bear hands. The Only ones to have done anything of the sort are The Grey Knights although I can't confirm at this moment.

Well Fulgrim killed an Avatar with his bare hands, as well as killed another Primarch.

This is where it starts to turn into a my Primarch is better than yours thread

Fulgrim is my favorite (basically tied with Sangy), so I must point out, he killed TWO primarchs


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Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:If someone can photoshop a picture of Sangy meme style with the text
"Ka'Banda broke my legs

I broke his back "
I would be your best friend/ give you a cookie

Best I could do with the tools at my disposal. Yes, I know Ka'Banda is spelt wrong. Would you believe I meant to do that :

Cookie or best friend?

Hourus..................... untill he went rouge :-(

KingOfTheSwords wrote:Hourus..................... untill he went rouge :-(

Yeah, no makeup-wearing Primarch could ever be the 'Daddy'.

KingOfTheSwords wrote:Hourus..................... untill he went rouge :-(

Primarchs turning red is indeed a large problem in 40k...

Ok the only true Primarch that gets the title is Huron....after all he mortally wounded the Emperor and killed what 1-3 other primarchs before his death and there even I have a history issue. Angron comes in second as he has never been defeated, long live Khorne. as for Russ and those other p*$#*%@! I could care less as Angron still lives and the many others are dead or in hiding.

purplefood wrote:

KingOfTheSwords wrote:Hourus..................... untill he went rouge :-(

Primarchs turning red is indeed a large problem in 40k...

*applauds*

LordWynne wrote:Ok the only true Primarch that gets the title is Huron....after all he mortally wounded the Emperor and killed what 1-3 other primarchs before his death and there even I have a history issue. Angron comes in second as he has never been defeated, long live Khorne. as for Russ and those other p*$#*%@! I could care less as Angron still lives and the many others are dead or in hiding.

Huron was a chapter master... methinks you mean Horus, and he only killed the 1 primarch and that was before his utter annihilation at the hands of the Emperor.

Just Dave wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KingOfTheSwords wrote:Hourus..................... untill he went rouge :-(

Primarchs turning red is indeed a large problem in 40k...

*applauds*

*Bows*

DarknessEternal wrote:

iproxtaco wrote: Lorgar is not the fastest, strongest, or most skilled in body or in mind. He does however have vision.

And his vision is an eternity of his beloved father being disappointed in him. He'll never get that atta'boy he so desperately craves now. So it's non-stop pouting for him.

Quoted for truth and great justice!


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LordWynne wrote:Ok the only true Primarch that gets the title is Huron....after all he mortally wounded the Emperor and killed what 1-3 other primarchs before his death and there even I have a history issue. Angron comes in second as he has never been defeated, long live Khorne. as for Russ and those other p*$#*%@! I could care less as Angron still lives and the many others are dead or in hiding.

Huron = Horus? I believe Sanguinius was his only Primarch victim, unless you count his manipulation of the Space Wolves as another (in that Russ eventually succumbed to the wounds inflicted on him by Magnus).

And Angron got schooled by the Grey Knights.

Horus ...I ment Horus....the Grey Knights have and always will be jokes in my book, Chaos rules and you all Drool......

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Fulgrim is my favorite (basically tied with Sangy), so I must point out, he killed TWO primarchs

Fulgrim technically killed zero primarchs. The daemon possessing Fulgrim's body killed two.

Russ was created to punish the other primarchs (prospero burns). He broke magnus' back over his knee after beating him in one on one combat even with magnus using his powers. as far as im conserned it is definatly Russ.

Russ didn't win that fight, the Sisters of Silence did. If they hadn't been blocking Magnus's powers Russ would have been a stain on Tizca's pavement.

MandalorynOranj wrote:Russ didn't win that fight, the Sisters of Silence did. If they hadn't been blocking Magnus's powers Russ would have been a stain on Tizca's pavement.

Pobaly not as Magnus did everything in his power to ahev prospero destroyed

MandalorynOranj wrote:Russ didn't win that fight, the Sisters of Silence did. If they hadn't been blocking Magnus's powers Russ would have been a stain on Tizca's pavement.

He flailed blindly and randomly in Magnus' direction and happened to graze his eye.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Fulgrim is my favorite (basically tied with Sangy), so I must point out, he killed TWO primarchs

Fulgrim technically killed zero primarchs. The daemon possessing Fulgrim's body killed two.

Bleh, I hate this version of Fulgrim ... prefer the old Index Astartes/Slaves to Darkness one .. He was much more badass then.

I think I'm the only one who's gonna say Dorn.
...or Vulkan.
Dammit now I'm indecisive.

I think as far as just pure fighting ability it would have been Horus first, then Sanguinus, then Leman Russ.

Just my 2 cents

And not Angron? THE combat monster of the THE combat masters? Horus wasn't the best in every field either, he had ambition, and was the best diplomat.

iproxtaco wrote:Horus wasn't the best in every field either, he had ambition, and was the best diplomat.

Horus wasn't the best at any field. He was pretty much second best at everything though.

I got the impression that he was the only Primarch with diplomatic skill and ambition not corrupted by arrogance, like The Lion of Girlyman, making him the best leader.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:
It then goes on to say that if Ferus Manus were alive there may have been cause for debate, but since he his head is separated from his body the argument is settled.

Right,. and who separated them?

mattyrm wrote: The reason I like the Ultramarines is because im a Military man myself, and I look at it this way, much to the chargrin of the UM haters..

The Ultramarines were the most professional of all the legions, they all had their quirks, stoicism, feral aggression and what have you, but Ultramarines were all abot good solid drills, practice.

Gulliman would have practiced the most, he will have gone down the gym and trained like a professional fighter, and he killed Alpharius in a duel, so he musta been pretty rock anyways.

I think just like in boxing, the guy who trains the hardest is the hardest, and out of all of them, Roboute must have been the most professional right? Not given to rage and fury Perutarbo and Russ, not spending too much time on his books like Magnus, just a calm professional that trains hard and thinks hard, he woulda took them all apart!

And when he did lose, the guy had 6 arms and poisoned knives!

Oh right, that guy again.

At some point, you just gotta count the championships. On paper, Dan Marino may have been better than Joe Montana, but Montana got the rings. Fulgrim took down more other primarchs than anyone else (daemon-enfused or not)

Redbeard wrote:
Oh right, that guy again.

At some point, you just gotta count the championships. On paper, Dan Marino may have been better than Joe Montana, but Montana got the rings. Fulgrim took down more other primarchs than anyone else (daemon-enfused or not)

Fulgrim won his duels thanks to the gifts of Chaos. End of story. Especially if we consider his fight against Guilliman (that some experienced gamers, for some reason, love so much to despise and mock).

But I will give you the fact that he probably bitch-slapped poor ferrus without the aid of anyone.

One could just as easily claim that any wins by loyalists were due to the 'Grace of the Emperor'. Whatever. Wins are what count, not how you got there.

P.S. I think Fulgrim also ripped apart a Wraithlord with his bare hands in one of the books.