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forruner_mercy wrote:

Conservationist wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:At least Guilliman can refuse to take orders. Russ will always follow orders no matter what.
TBH, the Imperial Fists are my fav. And I am just wondering, has anyone come up with a humorous term for them (like the UM are Smurfs, the SW are Puppies).

They can be called Fisters, Fisties or Imps if you like. Just that Imps don't seem to fit well...

Probably because an "imp" is a demonic creature. Or, if you live in England, a daemonic creature.

That's not actually one of those UK/US differences, like Encyclopedia/Encyclopaedia. They're variant spellings, both of which are 'correct' for want of a better term.

If they did all those good things, why do people hate them?

Belexar wrote:If they did all those good things, why do people hate them?

Because they are the poster boys.

coolyo294 wrote:

Belexar wrote:If they did all those good things, why do people hate them?

Because they are the poster boys.

So?

Belexar wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

Belexar wrote:If they did all those good things, why do people hate them?

Because they are the poster boys.

So?

I just answered your question. People hate them because GW made them the poster boys of 40k.

People are idiots...
If that is the case then I hate Americans because they are always represented as "good guys".

But to be fair, people often misjudged before actually see what is this all about.
I didn't said that M.W. was terrible before I actually read the fluff and saw it myself.

Brother Coa wrote:People are idiots...
If that is the case then I hate Americans because they are always represented as "good guys".

That post there is just bad form.

I suggest you re-read the rules of this site - the rules that you agreed to follow when you signed up on Dakka Dakka.

In fact, this is a good time to remind everyone to stay on topic, and stay polite.

Thanks!

Hating UM is often viewed as "cool" by experienced hobbyists. It's difficult to say why exactly.

My guess is that smurf hatin' brands the person as different from the rest of the crowd, especially the newbies. It implicitly means you're a rebel. A cool guy and smart that stands for his opinion (even if this opinion is shared by thousands of other idiots and that it makes no sense whatsoever).

Alpharius wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:People are idiots...
If that is the case then I hate Americans because they are always represented as "good guys".

That post there is just bad form.

I suggest you re-read the rules of this site - the rules that you agreed to follow when you signed up on Dakka Dakka.

In fact, this is a good time to remind everyone to stay on topic, and stay polite.

Thanks!

And that is why I added 2 more paragraphs to explain myself. But I see what you mean, I will watch what I post in the future...

htj wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Conservationist wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:At least Guilliman can refuse to take orders. Russ will always follow orders no matter what.
TBH, the Imperial Fists are my fav. And I am just wondering, has anyone come up with a humorous term for them (like the UM are Smurfs, the SW are Puppies).

They can be called Fisters, Fisties or Imps if you like. Just that Imps don't seem to fit well...

Probably because an "imp" is a demonic creature. Or, if you live in England, a daemonic creature.

That's not actually one of those UK/US differences, like Encyclopedia/Encyclopaedia. They're variant spellings, both of which are 'correct' for want of a better term.

I just assumed. I never see the word spelled "daemonic" except in something from England. But as they say, "assuming makes an ass out of you and me".

Fifty wrote:I've just realised - Ultramarines are America. They join the fight late, impose their world view once they "win" the war, lose horribly to a technogically inferior enemy then twist it to seem like a win, and think everybody wants to be them.

Much of the same thing can be said about many other cultures/countries throughout history. Let's not forget England and it's own sense of entitlement to dominate other cultures with with their armies and arrogance. Then being defeated by rebels.

Point is, pick a time in history and you might find your statement can apply elsewhere.

The Ultramarines prevented their brethren from wasting their time with photoshootings for cover art.
Thus their thankful battlebrothers could spent their precious time on annihilating the traitor, the xeno and the mutant.

That's not very fair. When was the last time a Chaos legion was wiped out?

Never, when was the last time a Loyal Legion was wiped out? Never. What''s your point?

iproxtaco wrote:Never, when was the last time a Loyal Legion was wiped out? Never. What''s your point?

Legion II and XI?

Were they Loyal or Traitor? No one knows.

No matter, they got wiped out.
Only two Legions that get that kind of punishment.

It very much matters, especially when we don't actually know what happened to them at all.

iproxtaco wrote:It very much matters, especially when we don't actually know what happened to them at all.

I think we can assume its worse then rebelling against the Imperium like the Traitor Legions did.

forruner_mercy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:It very much matters, especially when we don't actually know what happened to them at all.

I think we can assume its worse then rebelling against the Imperium like the Traitor Legions did.

Not necessarily, it just could be they couldn't escape with 18 legions fighting them.


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Temujin wrote:The best thing I can say about the Ultramarines is that it must have taken epically sized balls for their traitor primarch to have tried to brand Dorn a heretic.

Not really, remember alot of the legion was killed fighting Horus.

Wardragoon wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:It very much matters, especially when we don't actually know what happened to them at all.

I think we can assume its worse then rebelling against the Imperium like the Traitor Legions did.

Not necessarily, it just could be they couldn't escape with 18 legions fighting them.


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Temujin wrote:The best thing I can say about the Ultramarines is that it must have taken epically sized balls for their traitor primarch to have tried to brand Dorn a heretic.

Not really, remember alot of the legion was killed fighting Horus.

To the first: but they were completely wiped from records. The Traitor Legions were not.
To the second: Traitor Primarch?

First:Hard to hide something as massive as the horus heresy and the primarchs involved, that and those files were sealed by the emperor, unfourtunately he has been on the toilet for 10000 years so he has been unable to seal it
second:No, Imperial Fists

Wardragoon wrote:First:Hard to hide something as massive as the horus heresy and the primarchs involved, that and those files were sealed by the emperor, unfourtunately he has been on the toilet for 10000 years so he has been unable to seal it
second:No, Imperial Fists

I mean IDK what Traitor Primarch its is talking about, because with the way it is currently worded it sounds like you it is saying the Ultramarines have a Traitor Primarch.

No, I am saying guilliman tried to get Dorn marked as a heretic after Dorn told Guilliman to feth his codex and the break apart of his legion

Temujin wrote:The best thing I can say about the Ultramarines is that it must have taken epically sized balls for their traitor primarch to have tried to brand Dorn a heretic.

I understand that, but just look at how the colored part is worded.
Maybe its just me, but the way it is worded, IMHO, a bit strange.
"Ultramarines" seems to connect to "for their traitor primarch", which says to me that it is saying that the UM have a traitor primarch.
But like I said, it might just be me.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Temujin wrote:The best thing I can say about the Ultramarines is that it must have taken epically sized balls for their traitor primarch to have tried to brand Dorn a heretic.

I understand that, but just look at how the colored part is worded.
Maybe its just me, but the way it is worded, IMHO, a bit strange.
"Ultramarines" seems to connect to "for their traitor primarch", which says to me that it is saying that the UM have a traitor primarch.
But like I said, it might just be me.

I missed the Guilliman being a traitor part , I don't think he's a traitor, just an arrogant ass.

Wardragoon wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Temujin wrote:The best thing I can say about the Ultramarines is that it must have taken epically sized balls for their traitor primarch to have tried to brand Dorn a heretic.

I understand that, but just look at how the colored part is worded.
Maybe its just me, but the way it is worded, IMHO, a bit strange.
"Ultramarines" seems to connect to "for their traitor primarch", which says to me that it is saying that the UM have a traitor primarch.
But like I said, it might just be me.

I missed the Guilliman being a traitor part , I don't think he's a traitor, just an arrogant ass.

I think the point was he was calling Guuiliman a traitor because of his willingness to cause another war over a pretty trivial matter.

Read Age of Darkness if you don't understand the traitor primarch comment.

Wardragoon wrote:The biggest thing that I don't like about them is that when Rogal Dorn initially went 'Feth you I am not taking your bible or following your orders' Guilliman tried to get him declared as a heretic. The reason I don't think guilliman did it to the space wolves is the fact they are an always have been a small Legion(though chapterwise I think they are a little larger than your average 1000 man chapter)

He didn't do that to Russ because Russ would have killed him. Simple as that.


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Temujin wrote:Read Age of Darkness if you don't understand the traitor primarch comment.

Spoiler:

Yes, Guilliman is a vile traitor. He planned his own heretical secessionist Empire before Horus even arrived at Terra, and planned to defend it against (fellow) traitor and loyalist alike.

Maybe I missed the cues or you read that story with with a bias view. But that is not what I got out of that at all....

Temujin wrote:Read Age of Darkness if you don't understand the traitor primarch comment.

Spoiler:

Yes, Guilliman is a vile traitor. He planned his own heretical secessionist Empire before Horus even arrived at Terra, and planned to defend it against (fellow) traitor and loyalist alike.

Except that's not what happened at all in that story. Lion jumps to the worst conclusions all the time. That's his job.

We also know exactly what Guilliman was up to, since this is the past to us. He had an opportunity to do what you describe and he specifically abdicated it.