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This is a thread to list the good things that Ultramarine have done.

- Ultramar
- Holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters
- Being really good at fighting Tyranids
- They repelled two Tyranid invasions
-Saving the Imperium by providing fighting men after Heresy
-Sharing their geneseed with everyone
-Providing good life to citizens of their planets
-Have the ability to work with non-Humans
-Holding down the Tyranid advance.

- Ultramar
- Holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters
- Being really good at fighting Tyranids.

coolyo294 wrote:
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters

He said good things, not why does the fandom hate them.

Platuan4th wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters

He said good things, not why does the fandom hate them.

Pfft.

Being chosen to be the poster boys so that my Space Wolves can live good lives... =)

Platuan4th wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters

He said good things, not why does the fandom hate them.

Those are good things.

ventris stopped a tendril of Nids, I suppose thats good? For the smurf lovers that is. They nurtured worlds that are ''perfect'' in the IoM's eyes.

Luna Dragon wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters

He said good things, not why does the fandom hate them.

Those are good things.

And that was a joke

They really are one of the most succesful, but what erks me is that they actually say that all marines want to be ultramarines. I spit on that specific quote

coolyo294 wrote:- Ultramar
- Holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy
- Writing the Codex Astartes
- Founding half of the current SM chapters
- Being really good at fighting Tyranids.

NEGATIVE TRANSLATION:

1. Coming in to pick up the pieces after conveniently missing the majority of the actual fighting
2. Imposing their will on the banged up remanants of the other legions.
3. -sic- Read the above.
4. True, very true.

The first three can be read as good things - by UM-loyalists - or bad things - by everyone who begrudgingly follows the "or else" nature.

As a fluff answer I believe that some of the post-heresy "traitors" are traitors because they at some point refused to embrace the only true way, the
Ultramarine way.

The fact that they stopped a tyrannid invasion dead in its tracks is an undisputed great accomplishment.

While I agree that the Ultramarines missed the majority of the Heresy, it wasn't because they were hiding in some whole somewhere. It was because Horus got them sent off on a wild goose chase in the middle of nowhere because Gulliman was a better general than him. The Ultramarines were already the best, and he didn't want them taking a dump in his proverbial oatmeal.

And the supposedly "perfect in the eyes of the IoM" worlds are, according to all accounts, nice places to live compared with some of the other hellholes the Imperium has to offer.

Not every group of Marines follows the Codex. The Space Wolves diverge from it about as far as possible. So do the Black Templars. Very few of the Chapters, in fact, live up to the expectations of the Codex. The Salamanders, Blood Angels, Crimson Fists, Exorcists, White Scars, and dozens of others all deviate from the Codex in some way. The rogue or renegade Chapters are the ones who either embraced Chaos, rejected the Imperium, or became too warped to continue in their service. (Examples include the Red Corsairs, Soul Drinkers, and Legion of the Damned respectively.) Which Chapters were driven out for not following the Codex?

The Codex wasn't written to impose the will of some tyrannical madman on the Space Marines. It was put in place to give Space Marines a template to follow, rather than the 'run around higgledy piggledy and do whatever you want' attitude that produced such bang up jobs as the World Eaters, the Night Lords, and the Word Bearers. It's not law, but rather a set of guidelines designed to ensure that the Space Marines are dedicated to the job at hand rather than getting distracted by warrior lodges, Chaos inspired artwork, or any of the other nonsense that gave rise to the treason of the Traitor Legions in the first place. The Codex also gives the Marines (especially those new Chapters which do not have centuries of history and tradition) an example of how to do things properly. Third, by limiting the size and power of a group of Space Marines, it limits the amount of damage they can do if they turn renegade.

The Codex Astartes isn't about protecting Roboute Gulliman's legacy from change or adaptation. It isn't about protecting Space Marines from change. It's about protecting the Imperium from the Space Marines.

At least, that's my take on it.

The worlds under their empire are the least crapsacky in all the Imperium. Many of them are nicer to live on than our own Earth, let alone the average Imperium planet.

Jimsolo wrote:While I agree that the Ultramarines missed the majority of the Heresy, it wasn't because they were hiding in some whole somewhere. It was because Horus got them sent off on a wild goose chase in the middle of nowhere because Gulliman was a better general than him. The Ultramarines were already the best, and he didn't want them taking a dump in his proverbial oatmeal.

And the supposedly "perfect in the eyes of the IoM" worlds are, according to all accounts, nice places to live compared with some of the other hellholes the Imperium has to offer.

Not every group of Marines follows the Codex. The Space Wolves diverge from it about as far as possible. So do the Black Templars. Very few of the Chapters, in fact, live up to the expectations of the Codex. The Salamanders, Blood Angels, Crimson Fists, Exorcists, White Scars, and dozens of others all deviate from the Codex in some way. The rogue or renegade Chapters are the ones who either embraced Chaos, rejected the Imperium, or became too warped to continue in their service. (Examples include the Red Corsairs, Soul Drinkers, and Legion of the Damned respectively.) Which Chapters were driven out for not following the Codex?

The Codex wasn't written to impose the will of some tyrannical madman on the Space Marines. It was put in place to give Space Marines a template to follow, rather than the 'run around higgledy piggledy and do whatever you want' attitude that produced such bang up jobs as the World Eaters, the Night Lords, and the Word Bearers. It's not law, but rather a set of guidelines designed to ensure that the Space Marines are dedicated to the job at hand rather than getting distracted by warrior lodges, Chaos inspired artwork, or any of the other nonsense that gave rise to the treason of the Traitor Legions in the first place. The Codex also gives the Marines (especially those new Chapters which do not have centuries of history and tradition) an example of how to do things properly. Third, by limiting the size and power of a group of Space Marines, it limits the amount of damage they can do if they turn renegade.

The Codex Astartes isn't about protecting Roboute Gulliman's legacy from change or adaptation. It isn't about protecting Space Marines from change. It's about protecting the Imperium from the Space Marines.

At least, that's my take on it.

This is also my take on it. Sure, they might get a little frustrated that some Chapters diverge greatly from the codex they made, but they don't hate them for it. They also don't go over to them, and beat them up so they follow it. And, like it is said before, don't discount that they repelled not one, but TWO Tyranid invasions. Not to mention all the other stuff they did.

In Warriors of Ultramar, doesn't Uriel strike up a friendly conversation with a Space Wolf?

DAaddict wrote:
The fact that they stopped a tyrannid invasion dead in its tracks is an undisputed great accomplishment.

TBH that was Zaccharius Rath and his flagship Dominus Astra. The Imperial forces were losing, then Calgar got knocked out and things started to look good again...

-Saving the Imperium by providing fighting men after Heresy.
-Sharing their geneseed with everyone.
-Providing good life to citizens of their planets.
-Have the ability to work with non-Humans.
-Holding down the Tyranid advance.

Like someone here said: they represent the Emperor's vision of civilized galaxy. And his vision of a true Space Marine, loyal to him - but also to the people of the Imperium ( never saw or heard of Ultramarines abandoning civilians ).

While not perfect by any means, they are a beacon of hope in the grim dark. In a galaxy where no one cares, you have no choice and the seperation of the classes is so abundantly clear Ultramar is the place you would want to be born. Cadia, Catachan, Fenris, Armageddon, Necromunda, Baal the list goes on. I know if it was me and I had the choice, I'd want to live in Ultramar somewhere. Anywhere. Against all odds, that's a fair achievement.

if your matt ward existed

porkchop806 wrote:if your matt ward existed

This post makes little to no sense.

if your matt ward, ... existed. As in there simply there and he wrote there latest codex.

sorry for the confusion

porkchop806 wrote:if your matt ward, ... existed. As in there simply there and he wrote there latest codex.

sorry for the confusion

Wow, thanks for not even coming close to making sense out of any of that.

porkchop806 wrote:if your matt ward, ... existed. As in there simply there and he wrote there latest codex.

sorry for the confusion

you're =/= your

they're =/= there =/= their

Additionally, it is Mat, not Matt.

Neconilis wrote:
Additionally, it is Mat, not Matt.

It is Matt, Mat terrible....

Brother Coa wrote:

Neconilis wrote:
Additionally, it is Mat, not Matt.

It is Matt, Mat terrible....

... What?


On-topic: They haven't fallen to Chaos.

Yet.

They give us all something to rage about when nothing's been released recently.

Well, they forced Horus to his desperate (last) gambit

DarknessEternal wrote:

porkchop806 wrote:if your matt ward, ... existed. As in there simply there and he wrote there latest codex.

sorry for the confusion

Wow, thanks for not even coming close to making sense out of any of that.

"For Mat Ward, the simple fact that they exist is a good thing."

or alternatively

"For Mat Ward, by existing, they are doing good things."

thenoobbomb wrote:Well, they forced Horus to his desperate (last) gambit

That was actually the impending arrival of the SW and DA...
The Ultramarines were pretty far away.

But incoming.. (lexanicum told me)

The Aqueduct?

I've just realised - Ultramarines are America. They join the fight late, impose their world view once they "win" the war, lose horribly to a technogically inferior enemy then twist it to seem like a win, and think everybody wants to be them.