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So with Sigvald, Did I read correct that he has a +1 Armor save?

yes (1+ though not +1, but I assume that is what you meant anyways!)

Yeah it is.


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So can anyone tell me the downsides of Valkia? Because she seems like a total beast!

She takes up alot of points for someone who does not have a ward save and is fairly fragile for a chaos lord. Really out of the special lords only Sigvlad seems to be worth while IMO.

Chaos special heroes are all amazing and viable

I like Kholek and think with 8 wounds he should make it thru cannon fire, but as i have yet to play my first fantasy game I don't have much experience.

My problem with Kholek is not his wounds but his I and his points. One purple sun or pit of shades can leave you without a 600+ point general.

Kholek can mess cannons up if he gets first turn

You gentlemen are correct that was the plan with the 3++.

I do like the mot but I also feel that it's time for some options. I wouldn't mind painting up some nurgle warriors to be completely honest.

Valkia is fragile and I don't think she is stuborn. This means you usually have to charge along side another unit. Even then she can still be poked to death.

I am a fan of sigi he is actually pretty useful and is quite well protected.

The big lizard eats pretty much all your lord points. This can give you a disadvantage because you will not have a lvl4 cutting down on your magic offense and defence.
How ever if he makes it to combat he could end the existance of what ever unit he was fighting.

Ok so I had a question about the Warshrine, does the Champion in the unit of Chaos Warriors benefit from the "Eye of the gods" special rule?

Yupp warshrine works for all champions

That's pretty bonkers!

Yup very crazy. Especially for chosen.

In 6 games ive got 1 roll on eye of the gods. Definately need myself a warshrine and some chosen :(

Its kinda annoying they give us those rules and everyone just goes lol unit champ lol combat over :(

With chaos trolls I normally get a eye roll atleast twice during a opponents turn

I wouldnt mind 6 trolls tbh, might save up for just that

2 sets of the forgeworld ones would be a cool addition to my army

I agree about eye of the gods. Haven't gotten many myself because no one wants to fight my hero.

Trolls do seem pretty sweet I haven't gotten any yet but
at some point a troll unit would be sweet.
The forge world ones look quite nice.

I am doing 7 trolls and Throgg in my 1500 list so I should have some good chances, and my Lord is a Sorc. So hopefully he gets some kills as well!

Trolls are crazy unless you get hit by fire.
Throgg is pretty darn helpful.
Usually you don't want you sorcerer lord in combat because he can't cast damage spells out of combat and he isn't up to par with other races fighty characters just as a heads up.

What are you guys using for throgg(model) out of interest?

Reaper makes a great cheap one but I am using a converted dire troll mauler

I am going to use a secondhand companies Resin Version.


also Cowpow with my list, Where would I be running my Sorc Lord? And I am running 19 Warriors with Shields and swords, would I throw him in there? Also for Movement Trays Should i do my Warriors 6 across 4 long? Or 5 across 4 long?

You run him by his lonesome! He can dart around, abuse terrain, and easily avoid most combats.

I like going 6 wide for combat blocks and 5 wide for steadfast

I am so confused, so your saying both...Which is better?

I run my warriors wide wide.

5 wide would be a marauder bus.

I havent made a throgg so I have used an ogre model

A friend runs his lvl4 in a masive tz warriors block and he seems to do alright so that could work.

Cutthroatcure wrote:I am so confused, so your saying both...Which is better?

He means, if they are there to blow things up, namely most WoC units, then 6 wide is a good bet. If they are there to tarpit and hold things up, they go 5 wide so they can use steadfast to hold combats they might not be able to win, since 6 wide warriors are rarely steadfast.

Cutthroatcure wrote:I am so confused, so your saying both...Which is better?

If your opponent is running 50 night goblin 5 wide by 10 deep, you want to be 6 wide because you're not going to win on steadfast.

If you expect to hit a group of Ogres, go 5 wide so even if you lose you will be steadfast.

So for my movement trays I should go 5 by 4 and give up the extra attack for Steadfast when they will only be four ranks deep?

Not necessarily, I would make them 6 wide anyway as thats probably the max width you will run them normally, and you can also go 5 wide pretty easily.

What biccat is saying is, if you are against a tough, low count unit, it may be worth getting the extra ranks as you might lose combat and thus being steafast would be advantagous.

EDIT: Remember, you can reform from combat and in the movement phase.

So i am still at a loss for how I should build my movement Trays lolz!

Make your movement trays 6x5 then you are made in the shade!