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Kreedos wrote:

AesSedai wrote:I really need a device to measure my misanthropy. Sheesh, this post is bringing out all types.

Personally I too have a friend

Now that is a salt-worthy claim. Your sarcasm, though cute, is not appreciated.

What cracks me up is that you're still mad, and still conveying the fact that you're mad. You realize that's just fuel for the... wait you don't realize. My bad.

I think your frustration, obvious annoyance and anger over your post being challenged as a legit rumor mill post is cute.

You're very naive to think that posting rumors, without any credibility, or being able to tell anything at all about your source and it's legitimacy, is going to be taken seriously.
Not only that, this is the internet, have you been around recently? It's not exactly Carebear cloud palace.

Also, sarcasm is almost never appreciated when it's directed at you, that's why it's not called "being super nice".

Lastly you are very dramatic in your replies, Which I find quite cute as well, actually more funny than cute.

I think you might want to Google "Rules of the internet" I think there's an abundance of knowledge for the taking that might be of great benefit in future endeavors.

Dude. It's rumors about toys, not rumors about anything important. This isn't something to be rude to another person over, for sure.

It's just as easy to be polite to someone, even on the internet, as it is to be rude. Being rude may amuse you, and others, in the short term but it makes you look bad in the long term. Being polite, even to people you don't think deserve it, is better both long and short term.

There really is no reason at all to go our of your way to put someone down or dismiss them when they are trying to give us some rumors to discuss. Even if they turn out to be false, they gave us something to talk about for a while which is the entire point of the news and rumors section of Dakka.

Reecius wrote:Dude. It's rumors about toys, not rumors about anything important. This isn't something to be rude to another person over, for sure.

It's just as easy to be polite to someone, even on the internet, as it is to be rude. Being rude may amuse you, and others, in the short term but it makes you look bad in the long term. Being polite, even to people you don't think deserve it, is better both long and short term.

There really is no reason at all to go our of your way to put someone down or dismiss them when they are trying to give us some rumors to discuss. Even if they turn out to be false, they gave us something to talk about for a while which is the entire point of the news and rumors section of Dakka.

True. Dat.


Don't like the rumors? Get out of the N&R.

Kreedos wrote:

I think your frustration, obvious annoyance and anger over your post being challenged as a legit rumor mill post is cute, and your long winded replies only generate further lawls to be had on your behalf.

You're very naive to think that posting rumors, without any credibility, or being able to tell anything at all about your source and it's legitimacy, is going to be taken seriously.

Of course one does generate ones own credibility by posting rumours that then do turn out to be true.

Might from tiny acorns are mighty oaks etc etc

So we can drop the needlessly flamey attacks towards the OP. If people don't believe him, fine, don't. If this turns out to be untrue then they'll have the sweet feeling of vindication.

The boxed set for 6th with be Chaos versus Dark Angels.

That sounds very plausible to me. And tallies with some stuff I was hearing a wee while back.

And, IMO, looking at this from an intro game POV I could see the merit in having more balanced and equal forces to demonstrate the game with. It would certainly be novel for the marines victims opponents to actually get an armour save when shot at anyway.

Reecius wrote:
Dude. It's rumors about toys, not rumors about anything important. This isn't something to be rude to another person over, for sure.

So if I melted all your minis in an acid bath you would feel that's not important? We spend all this time painting, and playing and having pride in our toy armies, and even though they are toys, they are important or else we wouldn't take the care, the time and spend the money on them. Most of us have the value of car invested in miniatures, boxes, painting supplies, and display cases.

Yet this isn't about anything important? I've heard this useless dribble to try and end conversations saying everything is ridiculous and it's just toys.

It's more than that to all of us, and you know it. As polite as I can say it, I think what you just said is full of crap and I doubt you even believe it yourself, considering your presence on this forum Reecius.

Giving people false hope is pretty rude in itself.

And please tell me which new rumor we received, besides the Dark Angels/CSM Legion set? The only new news in the entire thing was the fact that the dark angels my be the second army in the new 6th set (which we already knew is on the block).

I'm actually a nice guy, and I help people out all the time, feel free to check some of my previous army building section posts. So, I don't believe that me having a strong stance in one forum is going to be the bane of me, as I believe we're allowed to have our opinions and express them on this forum, I may have been a bit rude, but as far as crossing lines, I don't think I did so any more than anyone else. Also, I'll let my words speak for themselves, if people choose to dislike me for my opinion or what I've said, that's on them, but It's not something I'm going to worry about.

Also, wouldn't a rumor like this, esp with so much detail in the OP, be tracked back to the source and get the developer's brother in trouble? So, just the post itself could be causing someone their job.

I like the idea of the DA vs. Chaos Legion 6th Edition box sort of Warhammer 30,000 by the back door, if you will excuse the expression.

But this does seen contrary to the having two dramatically different forces the there has been in the past.

I'll accept it but take mine slightly salted.

3) 6th Edition. He said it is just around the corner. I think he was more specific but I don't want to compromise this information with half remembered details. I believe he mentioned 2 codexs to be released before 6th. One was Necrons and the other was either Dark Angels or Eldar. I was surprised at this. Whatever the order was (either DA or Eldar, the other will be the second book in 6th--damn it, I can't remember which one!)

Any clarifications on what the bolded part means? To me it implies early 2012 but I simply cannot see two codexes being released between, say now and next March with 6th to follow.
Are we looking at maybe a summer 2012 release?

Kreedos wrote:

Reecius wrote:
Dude. It's rumors about toys, not rumors about anything important. This isn't something to be rude to another person over, for sure.

So if I melted all your minis in an acid bath you would feel that's not important? We spend all this time painting, and playing and having pride in our toy armies, and even though they are toys, they are important or else we wouldn't take the care, the time and spend the money on them. Most of us have the value of car invested in miniatures, boxes, painting supplies, and display cases.

My friend, there is a world of difference between melting my plastic toy soldiers in an acid bath and whether or not you believe a rumour on a forum on the internet... so in all honesty, I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Sure, if you went about damaging something I paid for I'd be rather inclined to engage in the noble art of fisticuffs, but as it stands... all this has been is your being rude to someone because you don't believe what he's said and don't think it has any value. But it isn't important enough to be so consistently rude about it, surely?

As my old teacher used to say, manners don't cost you anything but they can gain you a lot. Being rude and impolite will just hold you back. And 'giving people false hope'... not sure how this does that at all? Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that sometimes these rumours just don't work out.

As far as crossing lines... all 3 pages of this thread have you just generally being rude over something that matters very little. Which means the line is very far back and very easy to cross, really, when you could have just left it at one post or... shock and horror... just been civil in the first place...


Anyway, enough of all that, some of these rumours were certainly news to me and I look forward to seeing how they pan out sure, I've heard a couple before, but surely that just means they gain some credibility for coming from multiple sources? And I kinda dislike the idea of a marine vs marine starter set, but I suspect it will result in something more balanced than what we've usually gotten ^^

Beregond wrote:

Kreedos wrote:

Reecius wrote:
Dude. It's rumors about toys, not rumors about anything important. This isn't something to be rude to another person over, for sure.

So if I melted all your minis in an acid bath you would feel that's not important? We spend all this time painting, and playing and having pride in our toy armies, and even though they are toys, they are important or else we wouldn't take the care, the time and spend the money on them. Most of us have the value of car invested in miniatures, boxes, painting supplies, and display cases.

My friend, there is a world of difference between melting my plastic toy soldiers in an acid bath and whether or not you believe a rumour on a forum on the internet... so in all honesty, I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Sure, if you went about damaging something I paid for I'd be rather inclined to engage in the noble art of fisticuffs, but as it stands... all this has been is your being rude to someone because you don't believe what he's said and don't think it has any value. But it isn't important enough to be so consistently rude about it, surely?

As my old teacher used to say, manners don't cost you anything but they can gain you a lot. Being rude and impolite will just hold you back. And 'giving people false hope'... not sure how this does that at all? Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that sometimes these rumours just don't work out.

As far as crossing lines... all 3 pages of this thread have you just generally being rude over something that matters very little. Which means the line is very far back and very easy to cross, really, when you could have just left it at one post or... shock and horror... just been civil in the first place...


Anyway, enough of all that, some of these rumours were certainly news to me and I look forward to seeing how they pan out sure, I've heard a couple before, but surely that just means they gain some credibility for coming from multiple sources? And I kinda dislike the idea of a marine vs marine starter set, but I suspect it will result in something more balanced than what we've usually gotten ^^

posted edited (sorry Beregond)

The first part of your paragraph, you obviously didn't get a lick of what I meant when I was talking about melting mini's because you compared it to the rumor post, which I wasn't speaking of at all. I was speaking of the fact that whenever a hot debate over Warhammer happens, it's just shrugged off as a "toy solider game that isn't important"

As far as the false hope issue. PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE, and that's what's going to happen most of the time. If they're the smarter type, salt is added.

I'm done arguing the point though, because I've made it previously multiple times. You can think I'm rude if you want, there's plenty of people on this forum that I don't care for myself.
There's always going to be haters, and there's always going to be the ones that want us to all get along. I'm neither, I'm merely playing devils advocate on this issue.

Kreedos wrote:I could barely read this and figure out your mean, honestly in all seriousness not being rude here but you need to work on learning where to place punctuation.

The first part of your paragraph, you obviously didn't get a lick of what I meant when I was talking about melting mini's because you compared it to the rumor post, which I wasn't speaking of at all. I was speaking of the fact that whenever a hot debate over Warhammer happens, it's just shrugged off as a "toy solider game that isn't important"

I'm done arguing the point though, because I've made it previously multiple times. You can think I'm rude if you want, there's plenty of people on this forum that I don't care for myself.
There's always going to be haters, and there's always going to be the ones that want us to all get along. I'm neither, I'm merely playing devils advocate on this issue.

Insults to my English... I haven't had that in a while. Particularly given that I've never lost a mark for it in anything I ever did back when I was in education... surprising. Also, the little banner over there <--- is just where I'm living, I'm actually a native Englishman. Just so you know.

The first paragraph is simply a response to your completely out of proportion metaphor, nothing more. You tell me I lack understanding when all I am telling you is that your metaphor lacks any meaning. And it IS just a toy soldier game that isn't important. I wouldn't say it is completely unimportant, but it certainly isn't important enough to go around being uncivil with people when you have a disagreement. You can state your opinion all you want, no one has been arguing with that... it's just the way you've been doing it here that isn't particularly favourable.

And I think the fact that you've seemingly taken to trying to make your point multiple times is what people are disagreeing with here. At the very least it's what I am disagreeing with. I wouldn't say you're particularly rude, just unnecessarily so in this case.

And yes, there will always be haters. This is the internet, hating is what people do. Why you would feel the need to be rude and somewhat demeaning to someone on a point you seemingly don't even agree with completely boggles my mind... but we're getting off topic here. You can await my PM inquiring about my grammar shortly. Until then, toodles

Beregond wrote:

Kreedos wrote:I could barely read this and figure out your mean, honestly in all seriousness not being rude here but you need to work on learning where to place punctuation.

The first part of your paragraph, you obviously didn't get a lick of what I meant when I was talking about melting mini's because you compared it to the rumor post, which I wasn't speaking of at all. I was speaking of the fact that whenever a hot debate over Warhammer happens, it's just shrugged off as a "toy solider game that isn't important"

I'm done arguing the point though, because I've made it previously multiple times. You can think I'm rude if you want, there's plenty of people on this forum that I don't care for myself.
There's always going to be haters, and there's always going to be the ones that want us to all get along. I'm neither, I'm merely playing devils advocate on this issue.

Insults to my English... I haven't had that in a while. Particularly given that I've never lost a mark for it in anything I ever did back when I was in education... surprising. Also, the little banner over there <--- is just where I'm living, I'm actually a native Englishman. Just so you know.

The first paragraph is simply a response to your completely out of proportion metaphor, nothing more. You tell me I lack understanding when all I am telling you is that your metaphor lacks any meaning. And it IS just a toy soldier game that isn't important. I wouldn't say it is completely unimportant, but it certainly isn't important enough to go around being uncivil with people when you have a disagreement. You can state your opinion all you want, no one has been arguing with that... it's just the way you've been doing it here that isn't particularly favourable.

And I think the fact that you've seemingly taken to trying to make your point multiple times is what people are disagreeing with here. At the very least it's what I am disagreeing with. I wouldn't say you're particularly rude, just unnecessarily so in this case.

And yes, there will always be haters. This is the internet, hating is what people do. Why you would feel the need to be rude and somewhat demeaning to someone on a point you seemingly don't even agree with completely boggles my mind... but we're getting off topic here. You can await my PM inquiring about my grammar shortly. Until then, toodles

Not really insulting you, sorry if you thought I was. I understand if it's not your first language or if you struggle some of it, and if that's the case I apologize.

However, I don't believe that I'm the only one in this post that feels the same way about the post, maybe just the one who took the largest stance against it and the most posts conveying my feeling about the general thread

Some of which, may have been a bit unnecessary. But even when being nice it's easy to be very rude very quickly.

OP, if I've actually offended you to the point where it really hurt your feelings, I apologize.

Ffs, why are folk arguing and getting personal over this? It never ceases to amaze me how some people can get so pent up from a thread, usually just because the rumour says "your choice of miniatures isn't next" or something stupid.

Remember, manners cost absolutely nothing. NOTHING. Why go about trying to bring someone's day down? Why have a go at a person for spelling mistakes? What if they're dyslexic and you're actually discriminating against a disability? Would you take the piss out of a guy in a wheel chair?

Come on, grow up, calm down and move the hell on - stop acting like little kids in a play ground pulling each others hair whilst trying to claim that you're being 'mature'.

And back on topic, I so wish that they'd do a 'Chaos Guard' codex, I wanted that back in the late 90's, would love to see it come to fruition. Nurgle guards would look DA BOMB!

kitch102 wrote:Ffs, why are folk arguing and getting personal over this? It never ceases to amaze me how some people can get so pent up from a thread, usually just because the rumour says "your choice of miniatures isn't next" or something stupid.

Remember, manners cost absolutely nothing. NOTHING. Why go about trying to bring someone's day down? Why have a go at a person for spelling mistakes? What if they're dyslexic and you're actually discriminating against a disability? Would you take the piss out of a guy in a wheel chair?

Come on, grow up, calm down and move the hell on - stop acting like little kids in a play ground pulling each others hair whilst trying to claim that you're being 'mature'.

Did you just miss the above post? What you just posted was completely redundant, about 4-5 people already said the exact same thing you did, scroll a bit up?

So, what, I can't add to that?

When did N&R become YMDC? Jesus people... calm down.

kitch102 wrote:So, what, I can't add to that?

The point is you didn't add anything.

Beregond wrote:
As my old teacher used to say, manners don't cost you anything but they can gain you a lot. Being rude and impolite will just hold you back.

Reecius wrote:
It's just as easy to be polite to someone, even on the internet, as it is to be rude. Being rude may amuse you, and others, in the short term but it makes you look bad in the long term. Being polite, even to people you don't think deserve it, is better both long and short term.

Oh, nvm, you did add that you'd like to see a Chaos Guard codex. Oops.

Also, all this talk about people calming down. Who's upset?

Anyway nvm all that, I'd rather we get back on topic.

I'm personally hoping the Dark Angels are the new army to be boxed but I'd love to see BT boxed too. Traitor guard sounds like a nice concept, but it also sounds like it would just be some kind of IG/Chaos Hybrid, although interesting, it seems in theory it would be a very involved process to make work. Either way, I hope what's in store doesn't get the Sisters of Battle treatment, maybe that's why I'm so angry guys?

Well, Kreedos has single handedly turned this thread from a nice, promising rumor thread into a steaming pile of flames.

I like his trollish attempts at pretending he is on topic while lashing out at everyone. Complete garbage.

ph34r wrote:Well, Kreedos has single handedly turned this thread from a nice, promising rumor thread into a steaming pile of flames.

I like his trollish attempts at pretending he is on topic while lashing out at everyone. Complete garbage.

And I'm the one that's personally attacking people here? "Complete garbage"?

I apologized to the OP and pmed the dude I commented about his grammar and apologized too.

Then when I try and turn this back to topic, you dismantle it again.

So, bravo jerk, you've obviously in the know and just a sterling judge of character. /golfclap

Don't you get it yet? Just. Stop. Replying.

.. I'm sure we can move onwards from this somewhat WTF diversion. Towards a better, brighter future full of exciting new codices and models.

And shattered dreams.


.. codices with glaring loopholes and rules that provoke furious argument and debate.

And models that divide the forum's opinions like..like... err... some great big dividing thing that is renowned for dividing things.

More or less.

Good times ahead for all !

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said. And well put I might add. Now if you please, back on topic.

Bit about the Dev team matches what was said in the Seminar.

But the rest of it? Seems unlikely.

Mr Mystery wrote:Bit about the Dev team matches what was said in the Seminar.

But the rest of it? Seems unlikely.

By the bit about the Dev team, you mean the whole pitching army concepts restructuring?

I hope codex chaos legions replaces the current csm codex and combines better daemon support e.g God specific lesser and greater daemons, putting the daemon rule in the codex and giving it to units like obliterators, possessed, daemon princes etc.

Kreedos wrote:

AesSedai wrote:I really need a device to measure my misanthropy. Sheesh, this post is bringing out all types.

Personally I too have a friend

Now that is a salt-worthy claim. Your sarcasm, though cute, is not appreciated.

What cracks me up is that you're still mad, and still conveying the fact that you're mad. You realize that's just fuel for the... wait you don't realize. My bad, allow me to enlighten you on a few things you may have missed.

I think your frustration, obvious annoyance and anger over your post being challenged as a legit rumor mill post is cute, and your long winded replies only generate further lawls to be had on your behalf.

You're very naive to think that posting rumors, without any credibility, or being able to tell anything at all about your source and it's legitimacy, is going to be taken seriously.
Not only that, this is the internet, have you been around recently? It's not exactly Carebear cloud palace.

Also, sarcasm is almost never appreciated when it's directed at you, that's why it's not called "being super nice". You don't need to point out the obvious.

Lastly you are very dramatic in your replies, which will just generate more fuel for the troll fire "Don't feed the trolls", you must have missed that general rule in regards with anything to do with the internet.

I think you might want to Google "Rules of the internet" I think there's an abundance of knowledge for the taking that might be of great benefit in future endeavors in dakka dakka, and the big scary world wide web.

It is funny. Kind of reminds me of my posting here of 10 years back. No rumours, just lots of earnestness.

I hope it is true, I've just broken my Alpha Legion out of retirement.

ShatteredBlade wrote:I hope it is true, I've just broken my Alpha Legion out of retirement.

I think most everyone that played chaos in 3.5e hopes it is true.

As a good little Chaos fanboy, I'd love for CSM to be featured in the starter set, but a power armoured army vs another power armoured army, really? It is fluffy and awesome, but maybe not the best idea for a starter set? An IMO fluffier and even better choice would be traitor guard, cultists, mutants etc. led by a few Fallen against the Dark Angels, with an Interrogator Chaplian for the DA HQ... That scenario would really blow my mind and may even lead me to consider buying it as a non newbie.

Deathly Angel wrote:As a good little Chaos fanboy, I'd love for CSM to be featured in the starter set, but a power armoured army vs another power armoured army, really? It is fluffy and awesome, but maybe not the best idea for a starter set? An IMO fluffier and even better choice would be traitor guard, cultists, mutants etc. led by a few Fallen against the Dark Angels, with an Interrogator Chaplian for the DA HQ... That scenario would really blow my mind and may even lead me to consider buying it as a non newbie.

That sounds awesome! That is why it would not happen

ph34r wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Bit about the Dev team matches what was said in the Seminar.

But the rest of it? Seems unlikely.

By the bit about the Dev team, you mean the whole pitching army concepts restructuring?

Hard to say. In the seminar it was stated that they can pitch their own ideas, but this was said directly relating to my question about Dreadfleet, and how they chose that over other concepts. I'd love to be able to say for sure if it applies to all their projects, but I simply can't!

There is nothing in the OP's post that contradicts most of the rumours I have heard. There are a couple of contradictory points but nothing major.

The Chaos Legions book has apparently been in development for quite some time.

Apparently GW weren't that happy with the current CSM Codex and wanted to make changes almost straight after it was released but couldn't commit the resources. However they were aware of the problems with it.

Jervis Johnson mentioned the Legions Codex quite some time ago, and implied that the current CSM Codex would remain and would be used for Renegade Marines, whereas the Legions Codex would be Legion specific and be for those Legions left after the Horus Heresy that fled to the Eye of Terror.

All rumours point to this being available in First Quarter of 2012, so quite soon.

It will be much more in line with the older CSM Codex, so Legion specifiic with each Legion having specail rules. For those wanting to do traitor guard there will be a limited opportunity for this using the Alpha Legion list, which may be why a full codex was rejected.

In terms of the boxed set I have also heard strong rumours that it will be Dark Angels vs Traitor Marines, but I have heard rumours that the starter set will be very different to previous editions.

You can take this one with a huge pinch of salt, and I am not sure how much I believe it but thought I would share it as I have heard it from various sources.

There will be two versions of the starter set for the first time. Rather than the box containing two armies each will have one, so Dark Angels versions and a Traitor version. Each will have a selection of figures, but the extra space in the box will focus on scenery. So there will be a small Dark Angels force with a Dark Angels specific piece of scenery in one box, and a small Traitor force and Chaos specific scenery in the other.

GW cottoned onto the fact that most people go halves on the starter set and split the armies, which means less sales, or ebay one half again resulting in less sales. Having the starter set with just one army in but at the usual price means that if you want both armies you have to buy two boxed sets, and you won't be able to buy with a friend and spilt them now. However the extra scenery in the box apparently will make it worthwhile.

Again take that with a pinch of salt but I have heard that from credible sources. The boxed set should also be available around the time of the London Olympics, so some time around July/August next year.

The only things in the OPs post I have heard that contradict this are Eldar and Tau. However all things change rumour wise so who knows. I have heard that Tau have been ready for quite some time. At least the models. They were meant to be released this year but for some reason they were held back. This was due to be a models release without a Codex. New re-cut Battlesuits, Plastic Path Finders and a new unit entry that was to be a White Dwarf add on. It may be that they are now waiting for the Codex to be done and then release the new models then.

And Eldar will be a ways off just yet. Ther are all sorts of legal issues with Eldar and Tyranids that has meant they have been delayed, but that is a complicated issue for another thread unfortunately.