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2011/12/05 00:25:37
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
You seem to think that this is not something that women experience.
You are wrong, of course.
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2011/12/05 00:43:03
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
CT GAMER wrote:Male peer pressure is a strong thing, often fueld by equal parts sexism homophobia and testosterone.
You forgot alcohol....
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"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
You seem to think that this is not something that women experience.
You are wrong, of course.
I don't think he said that women don't experience peer pressure.
Of course they do. Never stated otherwise.
My point was that unfortunately the behavior the OP describes is the norm for most males raised in Western society (maybe elsewhere too, not sure) who have been conditioned by said societie's usual assumed/expected gender roles to follow along with said stereotyping and gender teasing.
Sometimes it is in fun between friends. Sometimes it is much more uncomfortable and hostile.
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helgrenze wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:Male peer pressure is a strong thing, often fueld by equal parts sexism homophobia and testosterone.
You forgot alcohol....
Right alcohol: which all too often elicits the the unfortunate effect of erasing all inhabitions of said individuals to say/act like cro-magnon douche bags.
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Melissia wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:It's called "being a male".
You seem to think that this is not something that women experience.
You are wrong, of course.
You seem to want to assume you know what I think.
The discussion at hand was men acting and saying gender-stereotypical things; thus I focused my comments on that discussion.
What women do/dont experience didn't factor into my response one way or the other...
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I mean, I live with my girlfriend and I do almost all the cooking (occasionally we order in).
The reasons I do it are twofold.
1: I rather enjoy cooking, I have since I was about 7 or 8, and after numerous years of trial-and-error I feel I've become a reasonable amatuer chef.
2: She can't cook for beans. She can generally make sandwichs but she mauls the cheese (it ends up looking like a climbing wall).
I do the vast majority of cooking in this team. Not because I particularly like it, not because I'm better at it than my wife, but because with the recent economic problems my decent job went overseas (Thanks, GWB) and my wife retains her decent job. While I do work, it is kinda-semi-full-time in a simmering pesthole of a corporate-owned restaurant. My wife, on the other hand, often works overtime.
It simply isn't fair for me to expect her to work 10+ hours and then come home and cook too, especially if I only worked 5 hours that day.
Of course, it really sucks that I have to cook for hundreds of other people, and then STILL go home and cook so I can actually get to eat something.
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2011/12/05 03:14:27
Subject: Re:Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Thing is, when you're a single guy with no responsibilities, you do whatever you want, whenever you feel like it. You can just rock up at a mate's house and watch hours of sport, and not worry about what time you leave. But when you enter into a serious relationship that changes, and your schedule isn't just your own any more, it's yours and your SO's.
To someone who hasn't experienced that yet, having to leave your mates to do anything with or for your girlfriend can look whipped. What your mates likely don't get is that you're leaving not just out of obligation to your girl, but because you want to spend time with her, want to do things for her.
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2011/12/05 03:45:16
Subject: Re:Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Piston Honda wrote:So I was out late this afternoon with "the guys" watching some college football and drinking beer and rum.
I was the first one to leave, I left a bit early, the college games were not exciting and wanted to get home to cook dinner for my girl friend who I promised to make her favorite dish. Spaghetti with eggplant parmigiana and garlic bread, and picked up a bottle of her favorite red wine (Casella Wines' Yellow Tail Merlot, luckily it is cheap as hell).
I never thought about it as being whipped as I enjoy doing it and she loves my cooking so makes me happy. My friends see it as being whipped and another result of the new age "equal partnership".
I do see going to art shows and plays as being whipped though. Hate them, but she loves them and I love seeing her smile.
Your friends don't have dates. Laugh at them, laugh the laugh of manly man with a happy wife / gf. Ask them when was the last time they got some, and laugh some more.
I think this is appropriate.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2011/12/05 12:32:35
Subject: Re:Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Shadowbrand wrote:I cook for my woman and i'm as manly as a car made out of bacon that explodes.
I must say thats pretty manly.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2011/12/05 13:30:37
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
That depends, is it regular bacon or canadian bacon?
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2011/12/05 14:33:29
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Melissia wrote:That depends, is it regular bacon or canadian bacon?
It could be that expensive Eye-talian bacon....
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"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
Its all bacon, except that stuff crispy crap from Amurika!
I didn't read the OP as I sort of assumed it would be soppy, seems I was right.
I cook for the Mrs, this is because if I dont food gets served that tastes of feet. She won't season anything and things that sweet chilli sauce is the answer for anything, when the actual answer is 42 or bacon or somewhere inbetween.
Does the OP also think that taking baths is only for gurls as well?
I too am made of cars that explode on contact with bacon - did I do that right?
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2011/12/05 15:46:33
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Nothing at all wrong with cooking for your gal. I wish mine would eat my cooking, but I like to grill and to her grilled = burnt because her dad didn't know how to do it right. She always wants to go out to eat, and it gets expensive :(
2011/12/05 16:05:45
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
notprop wrote:Its all bacon, except that stuff crispy crap from Amurika!
If you don't like American bacon, you aren't a human being.
True story, I heard it on the internet.
In this thread.
In this post.
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2011/12/05 17:03:53
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Necros wrote:Nothing at all wrong with cooking for your gal. I wish mine would eat my cooking, but I like to grill and to her grilled = burnt because her dad didn't know how to do it right. She always wants to go out to eat, and it gets expensive :(
Get some styrofoam folding trays (like some restaurants use), grill while she isnt there, and convince her that its take-out
2011/12/05 17:27:47
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/12/06 06:48:04
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
Piston Honda wrote:I never thought about it as being whipped as I enjoy doing it and she loves my cooking so makes me happy. My friends see it as being whipped and another result of the new age "equal partnership".
I do see going to art shows and plays as being whipped though. Hate them, but she loves them and I love seeing her smile.
As a chef who cooks for his lady several times a week, I don't see it as being "whipped" at all.
In fact, anyone who even uses the term "whipped" without irony seems to be an emotionally stunted individual.
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kronk wrote:Nothing wrong with cooking for your wife, girlfriend, or that hot lady next door.
Or all three at once. zing!
CT GAMER wrote:It's why guys watch a boring sport like baseball, waste time watching horrible action/horror/sci-fi movies, and listen to various forms of awful "metal". failure to do so is to be labeled and ridiculed as somehow "not manly".
Jeez, I didn't realize that those were the reasons that I watch horror movies and baseball. What an accurate generalization.
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2011/12/06 07:21:26
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
There isn't anything wrong with cooking if you want to. Being a man is about doing what you want to do. You should want to do those things you are obligated to do - no matter how distasteful. That said -
Sean Connery is always right.
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2011/12/06 09:32:14
Subject: Re:Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
DIDM wrote: A man that can't cook is not a man IMO
I can cook so this is not self interest speaking, but isn't that as stupid as saying that a man who can cook is manly?
What makes you a "man" is purely the concept of an individual. To me it might be something totally different to you, but needless to say, I don't see how if you take someone that has done something astonishingly brave, and then ask him if he can cook, when he replies "No I am an awful cook" how on earth does that make him "less" of a "man"?
I think that statement is as daft as the OP's friends one about being whipped!
a man who can't cook is still a boy
makes perfect sense in my mind.
A man is someone who is prepared to ignore silly opinions and concepts like this, and do what THEY want to do, regardless of societal or peer pressure. Be it cooking, not cooking, wearing kilts, or joining the Royal Marines.
My uncle was RM Commando trained, AND a chef on a minesweeper. So not only could he bake a tier-cake with delicate icing traceries and columns, he could use it to kill a man as well. (Which I hasten to add is not a comment on his cooking skills.) Think "Under Siege" but with a larger helping of stiff upper lip, sensible British reserve, and no Erika Eleniak.
Having said that, I also know squaddies who think that "Roast Sparrow in Chilli Powder" is an amazing meal for one. I have no idea where mattyrm falls between those two positions.
At the OP: A woman who is cooked for is generally grateful and happy and content. Women who are all of those things are usually much more amenable than hungry angry ones. Getting beaten by a hungry, angry woman is much less manly than cooking.
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2011/12/06 10:53:46
Subject: Do you consider cooking for your gal being "whipped"
I never thought about it as being whipped as I enjoy doing it and she loves my cooking so makes me happy. My friends see it as being whipped and another result of the new age "equal partnership".
To the first half, it's not being whipped it's doing something you like that happens to provide a useful side benefit, sex.
To the second half. Completely ignoring the long history of cooking as a masculine occupation. The "new equal partnership" line of argument is from left field. I'm seem to remember that both my paternal and maternal grandfathers did most of the cooking in thier homes. And on meeting my wife's maternal Grandfather, he's 85 and when he cooks three generations of women know the aren't allowed in the kitchen and to go watch telemundo. So men cooking certainly isn't "new age"
For me personally it's a matter of survival. I eat a lot of beef, my wife can't cook beef. So I cook. My friends don't call it being whipped because every Saturday I send out a mass picture mail of our dinner, highlights like pepper braised beef shanks, pork filet mignon in bacon, wings ala hooters, smoked turkey legs,beef short ribs texas smoked, prime rib, and molasses/bourbon chuck eyes.
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