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More Tyranid stuff...the ability to take cover saves against the Doom of Malan'Tai's ability. It sucks your soul out of your body with psychic energy. Luckily, you stand a decent chance of surviving if you stand behind a fence.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, but gain +2I on the charge and another +1 if they take FC

Poison on S5 MCs does make sense, as your most common opponent is T4. 75% > 66%, especially if you then pass that benefit onto units near you

Yes - 4+ Poison on Tervigons makes sense. 4+ poison on basically any other TMC is almost useless - you have a better chance of wounding T7 and T8 models, but a worse chance at literally anything else.
And since the example I brought up was Carnifex's taking the Toxin Sacs, and they're STR9 without FC... you lose effectiveness against eveyrthing but C'Tan shards and Wraithlords (I think those are the only things above T6).
It's dumb. If anything it should be a free option on STR6 MCs and above.

Codex: Dark Eldar

Vect's Dias of Destruction doesn't have Aerial Assault, and has no access to flickerfields or night sheilds...

WHY???

Siphen wrote:More Tyranid stuff...the ability to take cover saves against the Doom of Malan'Tai's ability. It sucks your soul out of your body with psychic energy. Luckily, you stand a decent chance of surviving if you stand behind a fence.

This is my favorite. lmao.

Tau vespids.

Assault 1 12 inch weapons, crap armor, no rending, no grenades.

GW why you make an assault unit so bad in assault!

Does relentless also let you assault after you shoot? If not then the shotgun would be helpful. But even if not practical, it has a nice "rule of cool" thing going for it.

Space Wolf Codex

Wolf Scouts that are elite and don't get camo cloaks. Come on now the noobs can get them but we can't?

Valkyrie wrote:

Codex: Dark Eldar wrote:Shuriken Pistols :"See the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook".

What possible reason did Games Workshop have to do this?

They have FAQ'ed it, just to let you know.

Also, Mandrakes.

Why? No upgrades, a 5++ as their only save, too many points and models that look like they belong in a Manga Book.


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SwiftLord14 wrote:Space Wolf Codex

Wolf Scouts that are elite and don't get camo cloaks. Come on now the noobs can get them but we can't?

Same as DA, really.

Teln wrote:When Space Wolves want to use their Wolf Standards, they either have to declare it in the Shooting phase or wait until the NEXT assault phase to activate them, instead of the CURRENT assault phase!

Does it say the START of the Shooting Phase? Gray Knights have to cast Quicksilver in the Movement Phase. Guess you better decide before the Assault phase what you are going to do.

Siphen wrote:More Tyranid stuff...the ability to take cover saves against the Doom of Malan'Tai's ability. It sucks your soul out of your body with psychic energy. Luckily, you stand a decent chance of surviving if you stand behind a fence.

Again, I’m not too sure about the process of various saves, so forgive my asking this, but doesn’t the ability force units to take a Leadership test and disallow armour saves? I would have thought cover save cannot protect against a Leadership test roll…

Warboss Gutrip wrote:Codex: Dark Eldar

Vect's Dias of Destruction doesn't have Aerial Assault, and has no access to flickerfields or night sheilds...

WHY???

This, I relate to. You've essentially bought about a Ravager and 2 Raiders with Flickerfields, which can fire more shots than than Dias and is generally more survivable.

It's essentially a Ravager that has a transport capacity, can only fire one shot whilst moving at Cruising speed and has armour 13 with no upgrades.

Vlad Von Carstein, until the new Army book, neglected to wear armour.

Codex: Necrons 2011

Unit: Tomb Stalker

Problem: It's not there.

Zathras wrote:Codex: Necrons 2011

Unit: Tomb Stalker

Problem: It's not there.

Though irritating, that is understandable.
FW just released it like a year ago. Adapting to a codex, and therefore into plastic, would have been a bit soon.

Kodanshi wrote:

Too right!

Kodanshi wrote:

Siphen wrote:More Tyranid stuff...the ability to take cover saves against the Doom of Malan'Tai's ability. It sucks your soul out of your body with psychic energy. Luckily, you stand a decent chance of surviving if you stand behind a fence.

Again, I’m not too sure about the process of various saves, so forgive my asking this, but doesn’t the ability force units to take a Leadership test and disallow armour saves? I would have thought cover save cannot protect against a Leadership test roll…

You take wounds from the LDR roll, and take saves against wounds.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Zathras wrote:Codex: Necrons 2011

Unit: Tomb Stalker

Problem: It's not there.

Though irritating, that is understandable.
FW just released it like a year ago. Adapting to a codex, and therefore into plastic, would have been a bit soon.

Yeah I know....hopefully we'll see a plastic one somewhere down the road.

Zathras wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Zathras wrote:Codex: Necrons 2011

Unit: Tomb Stalker

Problem: It's not there.

Though irritating, that is understandable.
FW just released it like a year ago. Adapting to a codex, and therefore into plastic, would have been a bit soon.

Yeah I know....hopefully we'll see a plastic one somewhere down the road.

Give it the next edition. That should hopefully do it.

rigeld2 wrote:

Kodanshi wrote:

Siphen wrote:More Tyranid stuff...the ability to take cover saves against the Doom of Malan'Tai's ability. It sucks your soul out of your body with psychic energy. Luckily, you stand a decent chance of surviving if you stand behind a fence.

Again, I’m not too sure about the process of various saves, so forgive my asking this, but doesn’t the ability force units to take a Leadership test and disallow armour saves? I would have thought cover save cannot protect against a Leadership test roll…

You take wounds from the LDR roll, and take saves against wounds.

That’s so obvious, why did I not see that?! I think the fact it said Leadership Test threw me. Silly me…

Cheers for that!

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

Teln wrote:When Space Wolves want to use their Wolf Standards, they either have to declare it in the Shooting phase or wait until the NEXT assault phase to activate them, instead of the CURRENT assault phase!

Does it say the START of the Shooting Phase? Gray Knights have to cast Quicksilver in the Movement Phase. Guess you better decide before the Assault phase what you are going to do.

All it says is "Once per game a unit that includes a wolf standard may [activate it]. For the duration of the next assault phase, all models in the unit may reroll any dice rolls of a 1." Deciding ahead of time is an inconvenience, because it means that either Grey Hunters have to charge when they're better off Rapid Firing and taking the charge, or risk wasting the standard and praying that the enemy general is dumb enough to charge into a unit with an active standard.

Sasori wrote:The Entire Tyranid FAQ.

Not the entire Tyranid FAQ. They did get Shield Wall correct wich people were getting wrong.

Codex Space Marines

Rule-Bolster Defenses-Techamrine and Master of the Forge rule, possessed by Lysander

" Each Techmarine can repair 1 ruin in your deployment zone. It grants +1 to cover saves (so 4+ becomes 3+)"


Problem-Lysander and MotF are not TECK MARHEENS! And some rules lawyering :bleeping RAW master won't let you repair stuff or improve your ruins.

Teln wrote:

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

Teln wrote:When Space Wolves want to use their Wolf Standards, they either have to declare it in the Shooting phase or wait until the NEXT assault phase to activate them, instead of the CURRENT assault phase!

Does it say the START of the Shooting Phase? Gray Knights have to cast Quicksilver in the Movement Phase. Guess you better decide before the Assault phase what you are going to do.

All it says is "Once per game a unit that includes a wolf standard may [activate it]. For the duration of the next assault phase, all models in the unit may reroll any dice rolls of a 1." Deciding ahead of time is an inconvenience, because it means that either Grey Hunters have to charge when they're better off Rapid Firing and taking the charge, or risk wasting the standard and praying that the enemy general is dumb enough to charge into a unit with an active standard.

Maybe I am just completely dense, but I really can't figure out what the problem is. It is a standard that makes you better in assault and all you have to do is activate it before your assault phase? So couldn't you just shoot at what you want to shoot and make activating the standard your last action in your shooting phase, then charge and get the benefit of the banner. Or am I just not getting it?

If he fires his bolters he can't charge.

Deadshot wrote:If he fires his bolters he can't charge.

Don't they get pistols?

Deadshot wrote:Codex Space Marines

Rule-Bolster Defenses-Techamrine and Master of the Forge rule, possessed by Lysander

" Each Techmarine can repair 1 ruin in your deployment zone. It grants +1 to cover saves (so 4+ becomes 3+)"


Problem-Lysander and MotF are not TECK MARHEENS! And some rules lawyering :bleeping RAW master won't let you repair stuff or improve your ruins.

I am sorry, but that has to be the silliest interpretation of rules so far. MotF is clearly a Tech-Marine since he is the most senior of Tech-Marines. So unless your RAW master can show you where a Tech-Marine looses his Tech-Marine status by being the most senior Tech-Marine.

Of course my personal preference would be to simply not play anybody like that.


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Deadshot wrote:If he fires his bolters he can't charge.

But that has nothing to do with the banner. If he fires the Bolter he could not charge with or without the banner.

From what it looks like nothing in the banner says "activate in the start of your shooting phase". So conduct your shooting phase like any other phase, but if you want to charge be sure you activate the banner at the END of your shooting phase.

Tau Codex:

When the Etherial dies, check LD for all Tau units. If they lose, they run. If they pass, they get better at CC. (Preferred enemy)

As a Shas'la rises through the ranks, he gets better at CC (something Tau find distasteful and barbaric), but not at shooting. Ui= +1 A. Vre= +1 WS +1 I. El= +1BS (Yay! At last!) and +1A.

Warboss Gutrip wrote:Codex: Dark Eldar

Vect's Dias of Destruction doesn't have Aerial Assault, and has no access to flickerfields or night sheilds...

WHY???

DAIS! FORE THE LOVE OF GOD, DAIS, NOT "DIAS".

Now, with that pet peeve out of my system: Target Priority Tests still applying for Black Templars in an edition where you have no way of knowing what it does. The feth?

d-usa wrote:

Deadshot wrote:If he fires his bolters he can't charge.

But that has nothing to do with the banner. If he fires the Bolter he could not charge with or without the banner.

From what it looks like nothing in the banner says "activate in the start of your shooting phase". So conduct your shooting phase like any other phase, but if you want to charge be sure you activate the banner at the END of your shooting phase.

Let me say again that the problem is that it's optimal for Grey Hunters to shoot with bolters and receive the charge, because on average that will maximize the number of wounds dealt. The damage dealt by bolt pistols just doesn't make up for the lost bolter round. I can show you the mathammer if you like. Plus, if the Grey Hunters wind up taking an unexpected charge, they have to survive at least one round of combat and potentially take casualties before gaining any benefit.

I just thought of an even more stupid thing in C:SW--Why don't Blood Claws get wolf standards? They're supposed to be our Assault Squads, and since they don't get bolters they don't have to worry about the problems that GH have with it. If they had standards, they might actually be worth taking.