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Mad4Minis wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:

Metsuri wrote:Plastic battlegroup starter boxes:

As a troll player, I might just pick up this box anyways. I mean there are still the usual complaints about a lack of a heavy warbeast in this kit, but I like the beefiness of the new lights. And the plastic alt sculpt of Madrak is awesome (his old metal pose is way too static and yes I know there was a metal cast of his alt sculpt, but plastic is so much easier to work with...

I like it too, but the $50 price tag is causing hesitation...

Four Ogryn size plastic models for $50 is pretty much spot on with GW's pricing schemes in plastic. I'm certainly no fan of GW's corporate decisions (see my sig) but I also feel like PP gets a bit of a free pass from its fans when they do the same thing as GW as PP is only starting to gouge whereas GW was the market leader and pioneer in that aspect. I've always said that PP is about 10 years behind GW in their corporate decision making mindset and this seems about spot on.

Platuan4th wrote:Wasn't the Bronzeback the first resin/metal hybrid kit? It was announced on Sep 2, 2011:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-09-02-2011

"Also hitting store shelves this month is the first 50 mm resin/metal hybrid kit for WARMACHINE or HORDES: the Bronzeback Titan."

I know the Bronzeback was announced first. I didn't know it had already been released.

Consider me corrected.

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Zathras wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

Note that they stopped supporting the 2 merc starters a little before mkII

The trolls are way too hunched over, and their heads are jutting out really far. They look pretty silly. Which is sad since I have trolls.

The rest all look pretty solid.

Platuan4th wrote:Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

My guess would be that future starter sets will be tied closely with plastic warbeast/warjack releases. I think future Mercenary and minion starter sets could be a possibility. The Mercenary ones were released when Mercenaries weren't even supposed to be a playable force.

George Spiggott wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Wasn't the Bronzeback the first resin/metal hybrid kit? It was announced on Sep 2, 2011:

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-09-02-2011

"Also hitting store shelves this month is the first 50 mm resin/metal hybrid kit for WARMACHINE or HORDES: the Bronzeback Titan."

I know the Bronzeback was announced first. I didn't know it had already been released.

Consider me corrected.

I think the Bane Thrall resculpt from last year might “technically” be the first hybrid kit. The kit was released during June last year and contain “resin” shoulder pads.

Platuan4th wrote:I felt better about the price once I actually had it in hand.

Well I know of a place where you can get 2 for less than 1 would cost normally, so I won't worry about that.

What I do worry about is stability. They... seem fragile, being held up by spindly resin pincers. How fragile are they?

This is why these Cryx models interest me. They're plastic and come on bases!

The privateer plastics are fairly durable, it's not a miracle material that can be stomped on or thrown across the room. But they are way tougher than FW resin and more like a normal ABS style plastic than a hobby resin. I have several khador jacks and man-o-wars and they've held up equally well as the GW plastic models I own. The jacks are able to be magnetized which is great for game play as you can kit out a model for several diferant builds.

They are pretty awesome to work with and I've replaced all my metal models with the plastic versions, with my gaming case now a quarter of it's former weight it's saved me hundreds of dollars that I normally would have spent at my chiropractor

H.B.M.C. wrote:

What I do worry about is stability. They... seem fragile, being held up by spindly resin pincers. How fragile are they?

I've yet to have a problem with them, but that's more to do with my anal protectiveness of my FW models whenever I carry or play them than anything else. The legs are actually thicker and sturdier than pictures suggest, though I probably wouldn't trust it to stand properly if it was in the same pose as my Leviathan next to it. Very forward heavy.

PP also has some metal bases so if you have a troublesome jack that's heavy on one side use a metal base and it'll keep it planted on the table pretty solidly.

The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

-Loki- wrote:The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

Easy! Buy two starters! Then you can be a Press Ganger.

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Zathras wrote:And still no starter sets for Gators or the Warpigs.

The Mercs lost their two and Retribution has yet to see one.

Did you honestly think Minions were getting one?

Honestly yes I did. I would think PP would support all factions equally with a starter set for each of them. None of the other factions have a starter set that really makes me want to play but if they had one for the Gators I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that there are others out there that feel the same way I do.

Privateer Press doesn't consider Mercs and MInions actual factions and have stated such several times in the past.

Trust me, I wish my Gators would get as much support as a faction.

It's not so much that they're not a faction but rather they are amalgamations
of different smaller groups that aren't factions on the level of the Circle
Orboros or Cygnar.

So think of it this way.

Imperial Guard and Space Marines are factions.

The various flavor of Inquisitor are *like* Mercenaries. Their stuff sometimes
works together, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they can be used by
the "main factions", and sometimes they can't.

Their lead writer has said that Mercenaries and Minions are places where
they can explore various side factions without having to release and support
all the side groups on the same level as the main factions.

With that in mind, developing two starter boxes for each of these isn't
really a good idea. You're releasing twice as many items to catch fewer
players. At least, that's how I see it.

infinite_array wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The Everblight starter tempts me every time. If only I didn't have so many bugs, undead and haqqislam to paint already.

And an opponent interested in playing Seriously, the main thing holding me back is I'll never get to use them.

Easy! Buy two starters! Then you can be a Press Ganger.

Well, I could play against randoms at the shop, but according to the owner, my local Warmachine scene is basically all the worst TFGs you could think of playing.

Become the PG and shut them down.

I'm confused about this metal/resin hybrid stuff, mainly the "why" behind that decision. Is this really a compromise that people will like? :/

Breotan wrote:I'm confused about this metal/resin hybrid stuff, mainly the "why" behind that decision. Is this really a compromise that people will like? :/

If it works better than the old Space Marine metal/plastic stuff, then yes.

And how is it a compromise?

Are the crabjacks 1 box with 3 options, or 3 seperate boxes?

-P

I'm guessing all the PP plastics are 3-in-1 boxes. No sense in taking up inventory space with three models that share parts and only different in weapons/a few details. Makes even less sense to machine a mould to do that as well.

I suspect as much.. but using the extra parts that they might give you would certainly tip me into making my own Blood Slaughterer.. maybe bulk it a bit (I suspect that body and legs would be non-duplicated).. but the saw arm and the big blade arms could be kitmashed..

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm guessing all the PP plastics are 3-in-1 boxes. No sense in taking up inventory space with three models that share parts and only different in weapons/a few details. Makes even less sense to machine a mould to do that as well.

Yep, 3-in-1 box. They're the same as the current PP plastic kits.

Heavies are 3-in-1, Lights are just a single type (which personally annoys me and my "only thing different are the heads" bone turkeys).

Also something to note about PP plastic. Plastic glue Does Not Work on it. At all. Super glue however works extra good on it and it can be hard to break parts back off if you want to. The plastic I feel is stronger than GW plastic, and will bend further before it breaks. I have had a few of my jacks bow forward under their weight when left in the hot car however, something that's never happened to me with GW plastic figs.

And I think I've decided what it is I don't like about the new trolls. They don't look bad, but somethings been bugging me about them. They seem to be devolving into Orks, getting bulkier and more hunched over.

Aduro wrote: They seem to be devolving into Orks, getting bulkier and more hunched over.

What? Trollblood is devolving!
*insert music*
Trollblood has devolved into Ork!
Ork is attempting to learn Waaaargh.

I think Skorne is using steroids on their cyclops'.

@Surtur

No they're just subscribing to Rasheth's weight program

Eat 10 lbs of butter and not move?

I really think they should've taken the opportunity to redo the Troll battlebox to a Mauler, Axer, and Impaler. Maybe on an eventual two-player warpack box one year?

I realise I am not all that familiar with PP models, but tell me:



... am I crazy or are the models on the far left and far right not exactly the same, except one is just smaller? They're in the same pose, same head, same colours, same armour - everything in the same spot. One's just smaller.