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curran12 wrote:Ugh.

I'm not saying no, but HELL no.

There's a reason I play GW and other tabletop games, it is to GET AWAY from computers and screens, kthx.

I could not agree more.
I am so anti computer wargaming I shun army builder

Is it just me thats starting to think that Orok doesn't know anything?

curran12 wrote:Ugh.

I'm not saying no, but HELL no.

There's a reason I play GW and other tabletop games, it is to GET AWAY from computers and screens, kthx.

No one is saying YOU couldn't still play with miniatures on the tabletop just that it should be offered for other people to use.

brettz123 wrote:

curran12 wrote:Ugh.

I'm not saying no, but HELL no.

There's a reason I play GW and other tabletop games, it is to GET AWAY from computers and screens, kthx.

No one is saying YOU couldn't still play with miniatures on the tabletop just that it should be offered for other people to use.

And you are utterly out of your mind if you think it is that simple and innocuous.

curran12 wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

curran12 wrote:Ugh.

I'm not saying no, but HELL no.

There's a reason I play GW and other tabletop games, it is to GET AWAY from computers and screens, kthx.

No one is saying YOU couldn't still play with miniatures on the tabletop just that it should be offered for other people to use.

And you are utterly out of your mind if you think it is that simple and innocuous.

Really, I don't play the Blood Bowl computer game more then the TT game. It's just nice to grab a game when I can't drive down the hill or i'm up at 2 am. I also don't see Mechwarrior Tactic replacing my Battletech model. Playing on the computer is completelly different then hanging out with friends while playing on the table top.

curran12 wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

curran12 wrote:Ugh.

I'm not saying no, but HELL no.

There's a reason I play GW and other tabletop games, it is to GET AWAY from computers and screens, kthx.

No one is saying YOU couldn't still play with miniatures on the tabletop just that it should be offered for other people to use.

And you are utterly out of your mind if you think it is that simple and innocuous.

Would your local gaming group stop playing tabletop 40k if a PC version came out? Or would they continue to play? How much less do you think they would play? What are your reasons for why they would stop playing/play less tabletop and stop buying the miniatures if a PC version existed?

I wouldn't mind an online game, going under the presumption that:

You can only use units you have actually purchased (would require unique serials from this point considering most people don't have their old boxes)

and you can only play with people who's number you have, if there were ever time the 2 of you couldn't play together.

Granted the investment probably wouldn't be worth it (if a 1man band could theoretically do it that's about $90k a year it will cost them, they likely wouldn't see it as worth it when that's an extra store they could fund), or maybe even they could have a store licence, where only 1-2 games can go on at the same time and you have to have yourself registered at the store (again, for long distance games, but gets people to go into the store more regularly to accomplish this).

At any rate, they wouldn't be dumb enough to do this, although they may be greedy in precarious and strange ways, they aren't by any means business-stupid (even coke have been business-stupid before).

HI folks.
There is only positive growth generation in releasing a GREAT game in table top AND PC/console versions.(Eg Blood Bowl, Mech Warrior/Battle tech, AD&D etc.)

However, would the current 40k/WHFB rule set be good enough to port to a PC/console game?

NO .

40k and WHFB rules are thier primarily to sell plastic soldiers to children.
Hence the large a mount of 'AWSOMNEW SPESHUL RULZ THAT ARE THE ROXXORZ'(tm),delivering limited tactical optinons with heavier strategic focus, poor clarity , lack of intuitive resolution and over complication.

You could never get away with such poor rules writing* in a PC game .(*Asuming you want a straight forward rule set that is well defined intuitive and delivers game play in spades, that exelent PC games like Skyrim deliver.)

GW plc look at game development as a way to pimp the latest minature releases.

Good games companies write the best rule sets they can to sell ALL armies ALL the time.

WHFB and 40k only survive as TTMG simply due to the gamers willing suspension of disbelive, and the desire to fudge /house rule/ dice off throught the holistic mess that GW plc pass of as a rule set.

-Codices and Rulebooks need to be available as eBooks.

-Official GW army list builder App at reasonable price (less than 5$)

-Some sort of official GW version of CMON, with a free associated mobile app for voting.

I personally don't think having a TT recreation of "Warhammer/40k" would hurt the sales of the miniatures that much.

I mean, if I wanted a fantasy/sci-fi based strategy game to fart around in and compete against people online, there's currently only, 101 choices, some of them being quite good.

But that won't scratch my itch for building stuff or collecting, or painting all of which are why I got in TT stuff in the first place (well, well after playing games online for a decade).

Really, and not to be too harsh, if you're just looking for a balanced, competitive, social game to play - you'd probably be better off with Poker or the like. IMO this hobby is about tiny soldiers.

I Agree with Schmapdi.
Sort of.
IF GW plc re wrote 40k and WHFB rules to deliver straight forward intuitive well defined game play.It would be benificial for everyone.

Nobody one appreciates overly complicated rules that deliver counter intutitve and restricted game play.

GW plc is a minatures company , that has simply forgot great game play generates far more long term interests for products than the current , isolationist marketing of through expencive B&M stores, and the rumor black out.

Other companies that are equaly popular with gamers seem to have focused on improving game play and acessibility through beter use of the internet.

The GW hobby is about selling toy soldiers.
The TTMG hobby is about developing social and craft skill in an fun engaging and interesting way.

If GW plc put the rules up for down load and updated them regularly , they would have to increase the resorces allocated to game development.

There is alternative games available with cool minatures, (subjective I know, ) and much more straight forward rules , and deeper game play.(and better balance than 40k/WHFB.)
And these are usualy seen as better value for money.

This is whay GW plc has lost over 40% of sales volume in the last 7 years.And other companies expanding thier share of the market.

curran12 wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

Whilst this is true, you cannot deny GW should embrace the internet and not see it as some "passing fad".

By turning the games I love into even more of an isolated experience since I'd literally be playing internet lists on the internet if I want to play? Yeah, if that is "embracing the internet" you can count that as a pass for me.

I'll also pass on it if "embracing the internet" means appeasement to the loudest and most vile of the internet subgroups.

IS that what you mean?

Dear Luddite

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have to play it if you didn't want to. Pretty sure. And I would kill to be able to play 40k with my brother and brother-in-law who live in Washington and California respectively. Strangely, I'd still buy the plastic / pewter / resin crack from GW despite having an online version. But I'm probably the only one, so yeah, GW would probably lose millions. I'm sure people who played the Space Marine game wouldn't be interested in giving an online version a shot, get addicted, and get in to the tabletop hobby. No.

But if having a digital form of the game existing somewhere in cyberspace is going to somehow magically ruin your tabletop experience in your garage (your digital / psychic atunement is astounding), then yeah, you're right, we shouldn't make it available to anyone else.

@Ouze: A quick online search showed me several places where you can find Winsor & Newton brushes starting at $5.00 apiece. This is almost identical to what GW sells their brushes for on their website. Stores like Michaels also have other, less expensive, brushes, that are the equivalent or better to GW's brushes.

Don't get me wrong; I really like GW games. I just try to educate gamers as to the alternatives and try to get people to not merely buy hobby supplies because they have the GW name on them. If it's a gaming supply item, and it has the GW name on it, it's overpriced. It doesn't mean the quality is terrible, it just means you can find comparable or superior items from other manufacturers for less.

Oh, and this isn't meant to be an anti-GW thing; the same thing goes for hobby supplies made by any other gaming company. They're gaming companies, not hobby supply companies. They simply do not have the economics of scale going for them to be able to provide hobby supplies at as inexpensive a cost as a company that specializes in hobby supplies.

Dawn of War?

I find that the artistic aspect of GW's product would die in an online game. At best we could chose the colour of the army we would use but there would be no conversions. That part of the game is very, very important to me. I like to create my own unique models and I really like seeing what other people do with their paint jobs and conversions, the techniques, skills and parts involved all interest me greatly. The converstions I have and the ideas shared due to this are very important.

Also one of the fun things about playing GW stuff is the social aspect, having fun with other people and not just having fun all alone infront of a computer screen. That is what porn is for.

The certain leaking effect of this game would be annoying too if people start complaining how come your Hive Tyrant just ate my whole command squad when in the computer game that would not happen. The subtle nature of tactics and planning would be lost on those who use a computer game where the biggest gun always wins. This shift would also have people constantly wanting their computer game units nastier in the tabletop game and their enemies weaker.

There is also the nature of competition. I love the Zerg in Starcraft 2 and I know it's better that what GW would produce as competion. I play that when I want to use a horde of alien bugs on a screen. A GW version of Starcraft would likely not be nearly as good and offer us little in the way of a new gaming experience but it would still possibly detract from our tabletop games.