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ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Either way, I generally explain why people are wrong, if they're wrong, and use my experience as context if it is useful.

Do you object to people discussing their history replacing transmissions?

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

Oh, Hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Come again?

dogma wrote:Do you object to people discussing their history replacing transmissions?

No, go ahead.

ifStatement wrote:
No, go ahead.

Well, once upon a time, Troy had a rad ride, a Biscayne, and I helped him put in that second turbo.

Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

ifStatement wrote: Did I mention I was a well hung lady's man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'

Sounds like the wife was talking about me again.

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

You know Troy the Yoda of Wiener Dogs?

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

I hope it's not clear as it's not true. I only brought it up to explain why I didn't believe your 500 pound lifting eighteen year old story. In my experience people who go on about how brilliant they are all the time usually talk up a load of crap. I genuinely don't object to you doing it. In this case I actually found it entertaining.

Of engines:



Not that I know him, he's a dude known by a high school friend.

Dogma, was that picture you posted (of the large gentleman flanked by two women) of you? I mean, I know you don't look like that now (from the 'Show Yourself' thread), but in the past?

If so, that's crazy.

Sasori wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.

But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.

The Guinness chocolate pudding sounded pretty good.

My other half made Guiness chocolate cake with cream cheese icing for my birthday at the weekend. I am parking the car an extra 1/2 mile from work for a month because of that bugger. It was heaven to eat.

dogma wrote:

Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Oh I do hope he comes back.. He was almost as good as Galbraithe!

Cave_Dweller wrote:Lots of fatties in Canada, too. I work in Ontario and I'm always amused at how fat they are, just like Americans. Gotta have that Tim Hortons extra large donut! And poutine...mmmm yummy poutine.

Timmy's is nowhere near as bad as the likes of Krispy Kream, hell, over the past coule of years they've really decreased the size of their donuts & muffins. Timbits will soon be bigger at the rate they're going!

And poutine in Ontario is a farce to say the least. (unless it's being prepared/cooked by a Quebecquois)
The best poutine is found in Quebec and the Maritimes!

ifStatement wrote:

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.

You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.

Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.

I hope it's not clear as it's not true. I only brought it up to explain why I didn't believe your 500 pound lifting eighteen year old story. In my experience people who go on about how brilliant they are all the time usually talk up a load of crap. I genuinely don't object to you doing it. In this case I actually found it entertaining.

500lb raw bench at 18 is world class strength. It's not remotely believable but its funny that he claims it.

Albatross wrote:Dogma, was that picture you posted (of the large gentleman flanked by two women) of you? I mean, I know you don't look like that now (from the 'Show Yourself' thread), but in the past?

If so, that's crazy.

No, that's Ryan Kennelly. He holds the world record in the assisted bench press, something like 1000 lbs.

1074 lbs (488 kg) to be precise.

Melissia wrote:1074 lbs (488 kg) to be precise.

The scary thing about that is that he's also 6'2, bench specialists are usually no taller than 5'10. Of course that's why he probably won't ever set the record in unassisted bench, the guy that holds that is Scott Mendelson, he's 5'9 ~300, and looks like a brick wall:

mattyrm wrote:

dogma wrote:

Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.

Oh I do hope he comes back.. He was almost as good as Galbraithe!

BLAME THE VICTIM!

Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.

Right, although being the longest-lived nation (with the exception of some principalities which home the super-wealthy) makes you think they are doing something right!

Pacific wrote:

Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.

Right, although being the longest-lived nation (with the exception of some principalities which home the super-wealthy) makes you think they are doing something right!

Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

I do think though that their diet is a significant part of that - lots of fish and fish oils, vegetables etc. (and of course smaller portions). I think also that diet will play a big part in the quality of your life, even if you are not a particularly active person - fatty laden foods leading to all kinds of health problems in older age. 4 years doesn't sound like a lot, but it's remarkable that the richest country is ranked at 36 in terms of life expectancy (at least according to Wikipedia).

I do agree however with the point that life expectancy isn't the sole indicator of the success of a 'system', although in terms of diet I think there are quite a few things the West should try to copy.

When medical personnel do studies of long-living individuals, though, those people tend to be more or less "normal"; kinda overweight, eat whatever they want, live 90+ years. Most don't smoke or smoked when younger but quit, though.

My physician tells me that genetics are the #1 predictor of longevity, along most other stuff (which backs up why Japanese people are generally long-lived since that's a very homogeneous gene pool). Based on my ancestry alone, I'm likely to live til 80, keep all my hair, and develop glaucoma. As long as I don't do anything that is actively detrimental to that (as in, becoming morbidly obese, smoking a pack-a-day, or driving off a cliff) then I'm probably fine.

Diet, exercise, being generally fit--I think all this matters more when you're obviously unhealthy, like the 500 pound landwhales riding around Walmart in Rascal Scooters because they lost a foot to diabeetus. If you're more or less normal, I think the empirical evidence suggests that your lifespan is more likely to be determined by how long your Dad/Dad's Dad/Dad'sDad'sDad lived than anything you do behaviorally.

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.

I would hope that people don't need to be told that excessive concentration of anaerobic over aerobic exercise is not healthy.

I also hope the idea of describing Scott Mendelson as an athlete doesn't catch on, or any of those 'Worlds Strongest Man' competitors either.

ifStatement wrote:
I would hope that people don't need to be told that excessive concentration of anaerobic over aerobic exercise is not healthy.

Excessive aerobic is also unhealthy, its all a question of balance and priorities. If a professional weight lifter doesn't mind dying young, then good on him for doing what he wants.

But you might be surprised how little people know about their own bodies.

I used to work as a trainer, and eventually got into sport specific, I know former 16 year old kids that knew more about their bodies than 50 year old men.

ifStatement wrote:
I also hope the idea of describing Scott Mendelson as an athlete doesn't catch on, or any of those 'Worlds Strongest Man' competitors either.

There's always John Kruk.

But for world's strongest man...well, I'll just say I have more respect for that than for professional powerlifting, at least they have to move.

No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.

ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.

It actually isn't simple at all, and honestly that you think it is has me questioning what you actually know about the subject.

dogma wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.

Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.

Okay, where did I put up Scott Mendelson as being the picture of health? His strength is unreal, but like most super heavy lifters he has excessive fat and is in general, not healthy.

There are a lot of Olympic lifters and power lifters at under 220lbs /w low BF that are in excellent health who also have excellent strength. You have to achieve a balance between build and strength to optimize your health. The lifters that are most impressive to me are the lighter ones who can lift 2.5x their body weight over their heads.

By the same token, the stick thin athletes who do marathons and ultra marathons are to me, about as healthy as Scott Mendelson. Great, you can run forever, but they have no upper body strength and are dangerously skinny.

dogma wrote:

ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.

It actually isn't simple at all, and honestly that you think it is has me questioning what you actually know about the subject.

What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?

Gonna take a wild guess and say you haven't done any olympic lifts, squats, or deadlifts ever.

20 rep squats wreck my lungs much more than running 6 miles ever did.