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Medium of Death wrote: Why show off how they created a massive crashed space shuttle out of an old Star Wars toy and lots of expanded polystyrene when Skull Fort of Skully Skulls is out next month?

ROFL

So long as people buy it, they will keep making it.

If I could sell YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT POSTING PROFANITY. IF THE FILTER DOES NOT CATCH IT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. PROFANITY IS AGAINST THE RULES. THANK YOU. -Mannahnin, I would.

White Dwarf is both filled with commercials and North Korea style news. I never liked it much. Great idea, but when it's part of GW, it's part of the propaganda. I can accept alot of footage and material about new releases or other interesting stuff, but I hate it when they have to be over the top positive to absolutely everything. I want a bit of salt in my food.

Skippy wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Jamumools wrote:There are a lot of GW haters on here

You mind naming a few of them for us, please? I'm just curious really, I see people like you bitch about "all the GW haters" constantly and I personally don't see a lot of what you're talking about. I don't see people who "hate" GW, I see people who are rightfully pissed off at them for good reasons. Kinda like how you are right now...hmm...

It would take a lot of bandwidth to write out all those names, admin would complain.

Always the same thing.

"Who are the bad people?"
"Too many to name them."
"Just a few then?"
"I don't know, there's a lot of them."

Likely the number is inflated due to any slight disdain being seen as evidence of a "Hater", usually those with a real reason to be annoyed being mislabelled as a blind raging psychopath hell bent on the complete destruction of GW and apparently 40k since disliking one always seems to automatically dislike the other as well for some bizarre reason. To me it seems more like a straw man argument, if I'm using that correctly (don't think I am, but I might be).

That being said I liked WD back around the 2005-2006 era, sure it was filled with a lot of LoTR stuff due to it having just been released but it had some nice tutorials in it not to mention some cool looking Word Bearers army in one of them that I remember. These days it has been more hit and miss, the painting articles on occasion being a nice read but other than that it just mostly seems to fall a bit flat.

To be fair, there is some cool things in it. I bought my first issue a few weeks ago (The one with the Deathworld Rules in it). I thought the rules were fine for the price, but I probably wouldn't get a subscription. Just pick up the odd issue.

I bought my first WD in about 13 years this month ... the new paints issue? And to be honest it was just as I remembered it - battle reports, a painting tutorial and the promotion of new minis.
Nothing really new, but I bought it to learn about the new paint ranges and the extracts from the new painting guide.

I don't think magazines will ever die, people will always want something to read on the bus (or the toilet!) and I can't use a PC as a reference tool while I'm doing something else - I just don't have the space.
But WD has always been an expensive magazine and unless there's at least two specific reasons for me to buy it, then I won't do so.

juraigamer wrote:So long as people buy it, they will keep making it.

If I could sell YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT POSTING PROFANITY. IF THE FILTER DOES NOT CATCH IT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. PROFANITY IS AGAINST THE RULES. THANK YOU. -Mannahnin, , I would.

So close yet so far. You got the concept, but need the finess to seal the deal.

Sell Panda poop to organic tea growers,

PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An is charging 20,000 Yuan (about US$3,175.00) for each 50 grams (1.7 oz) of Tea

It's just plain not worth buying anymore.

n0t_u wrote:Always the same thing.

"Who are the bad people?"
"Too many to name them."
"Just a few then?"
"I don't know, there's a lot of them."

Likely the number is inflated due to any slight disdain being seen as evidence of a "Hater"

No, it's because all the haters get on their high horses and insist they aren't haters and naming names just starts meaningless flame battles.

Yet the other side does it as well... -.-

I just want better Batt Reps, they struggle to be more than a couple of pages even less considering the number of pictures.

Kirasu wrote:

WD Isnt a great magazine but I don't see it being a bigger waste than other common things people spend cash on

Yes, although the problem is people keep drawing comparisons to how the magazine used to be! And it's not just nostalgia - go up to anything around 310-312, and it was a great magazine. I used to look forward to its release every month, and I think it was a genuinely good addition to the wargaming and Games Workshop hobby.

But, as I said guys apparently there is a big change coming to the magazine, so with any luck things will improve.

The old WDs also had more to draw on, Inquisitor, BFG, Mordeheim, all that jazz. I miss those bits, Inquisitor and BFG battle reports were just brilliant.

Also the old painting/modelling help, when they taught you how to make terrain you saw in the battle report/articles (like the bretonnian abbey from the bret/skaven/undead battle...I think thats how it went anyway) and chapter approved, both the fluff version and the rules version.

Thats why it used to be better. I'm so glad I got my hands on a bunch of old WDs.

Also Pacific, I hope you are right re: the big change. I'd love to be buying White Dwarf filled with hope and reading and re-reading it. Instead of finishing it on the bus home, and consigning it to under my bed

Kaldor wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Always the same thing.

"Who are the bad people?"
"Too many to name them."
"Just a few then?"
"I don't know, there's a lot of them."

Likely the number is inflated due to any slight disdain being seen as evidence of a "Hater"

No, it's because all the haters get on their high horses and insist they aren't haters and naming names just starts meaningless flame battles.

Or maybe they're not actually "haters", imagine that.

Kaldor wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Always the same thing.

"Who are the bad people?"
"Too many to name them."
"Just a few then?"
"I don't know, there's a lot of them."

Likely the number is inflated due to any slight disdain being seen as evidence of a "Hater"

No, it's because all the haters get on their high horses and insist they aren't haters and naming names just starts meaningless flame battles.

I don't know, you would probably consider me a hater.

Though I can present you my exact reasons why I dislike current white dwarf.

WD used to be about hobby, it used to be caring in helping us be a better hobbiest. Now, its majority used to push current month products.
WD used to have entertaining battle reports where 2 staff really have fun with random stuff. Now, its this month's release vs w/e
WD used to be decently priced, with nice "gift". WD now have no gift, what you do get is unlocking the option for you to PURCHASE the subscription miniature.

Decline in content
Decline in value.

Guess that still makes me a hater.

Or it could just be that anyone who has been in the hobby long enough to remember how awesome WD was 6 years ago is simply too experienced to need the kind of content WD provides, and has always provided. I flip through my old WDs and honestly there's nothing there for me to read anymore, either.


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People sing high praises to No Quarter but that also has maybe about 6 pages of content that I care about per issue (new fluff and artwork). Then there are pictures of models, basic tactics articles (strong models are great at punching things!) and beginner modeling tutorials.

My problem with WD is the price. For the price of two, I could buy an individual character model, which I would enjoy infinitely more.
Now, if the content was exceptional enough to warrant this investment, I'd be a lot happier, and as others have pointed out- it used to. Nowadays, its nowhere near.

Bring back the Paul Sawyer/Guy Hayley Alliance!

Jamumools wrote:I should add I am not a Games Workshop "Hater" as you regularly see on forums such as DakkaDakka and Warseer.

Yes, clearly starting a thread on Dakka Dakka describing how much you think their product is a "load of rubbish", on Dakka Dakka, marks you as cut from a different cloth than the haters on Dakka Dakka.

Congratulations on a terrible thread that opened horribly and then went exactly in the only direction it could have.

I agree, white dwarf has really went down hill. I was rooting around in the loft and found some of the really old white dwarf mags and they were so much better.
As said above, I tend to flick through the mags before I even consider buying them

I find the current state of White Dwarf to be far worse than any finecast problems you could hope to encounter. At least with finecast, you can get the bad stuff replaced. Not much you can do with the bad stuff in White Dwarf. :/

Breotan wrote:I find the current state of White Dwarf to be far worse than any finecast problems you could hope to encounter. At least with finecast, you can get the bad stuff replaced. Not much you can do with the bad stuff in White Dwarf. :/

I can't speak for you...

But I simply don't buy it. I have Fine Scale Modeler for my modeling fix. And even that is starting to trend towards being what Lord_Blackfang says in his post:
Come a certain point, you just don't need the information in it anymore.

Oof. I know a lot of people swear by FSM, but I tried a yearlong subscription and found that wanting as well. I found the advertisement to content ratio totally unacceptable, mostly.

Sidstyler wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Always the same thing.

"Who are the bad people?"
"Too many to name them."
"Just a few then?"
"I don't know, there's a lot of them."

Likely the number is inflated due to any slight disdain being seen as evidence of a "Hater"

No, it's because all the haters get on their high horses and insist they aren't haters and naming names just starts meaningless flame battles.

Or maybe they're not actually "haters", imagine that.

This.

Certain people need to realise that us so called "haters" are simply frustrated with a company they've poured their heart and soul into go into some kind of maddening spiral of destroying it's fanbase. I want to see GW prosper and grow beyond anything we can imagine, however it needs to get knocked on it's ass very very hard for this to happen.

Or I'm just hating on a company whose farts smell like fresh cinnamon buns accoriding to some people...

Grimtuff wrote:
Certain people need to realise that us so called "haters" are simply frustrated with a company they've poured their heart and soul into go into some kind of maddening spiral of destroying it's fanbase. I want to see GW prosper and grow beyond anything we can imagine, however it needs to get knocked on it's ass very very hard for this to happen.

Or I'm just hating on a company whose farts smell like fresh cinnamon buns according to some people...

I like how you put out this great big explanation as to why you're not a "hater", and then immediately insinuate that the "apologists" do not have complaints or issues with the company.

The reason people get labeled as "haters" is because they actively come into threads just to post how much they dislike something that has been done or how X company has done it better than Y, and they purposely do it in such a way that it is certain to start a debate which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I think WD has been getting better TBH.

It has a deep hole to dig itself out of though.

I think WD is still cool, although with the website(s) for this hobby...it's not a must have though. I don't disagree with the OP, it's just...him saying that he's a 20 vet is the piece of this puzzle that's important. He started before the internet, when the WD was a must have piece of the hobby. Now, it's just "another thing".

It's like newspapers, older people still buy them...people 40, not so much. At my local GW, the magazine is sold out and gone by the 10th every month....alot of people dig the pretty pictures, they don't buy it for information really, there are alternate and better ways to get that information.

With all of that said, to the OP...and this isn't meant to be confrontational...what response did you expect? "you are right, sorry..we'll fix it"?. It's GW's magazine..they run it how they see fit...if you don't like it, express that to them by not buying it, if enough people agree and do that...GW will be forced to changed. If not, then your opinion isn't held by enough people to matter. With all due respect

Grimtuff wrote:
Or I'm just hating on a company whose farts smell like fresh cinnamon buns accoriding to some people...

This is the point though, are the "white knights" REALLY like that? If Jervis coiled one out in their bed would they really think it smelt of cinammon?

Haters really are haters though.

I mean, here's me, a bloke who spends about £200 a year on GW stuff always off ebay or wayland, refuses to buy WD after his missus got him a year long sub and found it to be a total waste of money and mostly full of adverts and gak, doesn't need to buy any new paints other than a box he got off ebay a few years back, and refuses to own more than one army because he doesnt play more than a couple of games a month, who gets raged upon and called a white knight whenever he tries to inject some common sense into a spite thread?!

I'm a 32 year old bloke, what do I care about some faceless multi national? I really couldn't give a gak. But that doesn't mean I don't get wound up by haters, you know why I open my mouth?

Cos their attitude is fething childish. Seriously, do you hate on Kellogs or Nike? Aren't they all just after your money? Why do GW buyers feel so self entitled? Why do so many of them think themselves so special? Corporations exist to turn a profit, why take it so personally? Do any of us really "deserve" anything off a big company?

Kans probably the biggest GW fan boy on here, and if GW sold him gak, I'm pretty certain he would say so, maybe Im wrong, but I think he would cos he is a grown man.

The reason I personally argue with haters is because If I have to choose between the "white knights" and the "haters" I have drawn a line in the sand and picked a team. Soldiers don't like sitting on fences.

True Fan-boys (I genuinelly dont think there are many on here) perplex me with their bizarre loyalty to a faceless corporation. Too true, I find it odd and somewhat irritating.

But the spineless, endless whinging of the keyboard warriors that make up the "haters" on this board genuinelly repulse me. I loathe their whiny victim attitude and their endless complaints, as I find it pathetic and child like.

So answer me this, am I, the bloke that is only somewhat interested in the hobby, a white knight?

Or not?


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Oh yeah On topic, If anyone missed it.

I don't buy WD, it sucks.

@ Mattyrm You're no white knight bro. Common man with an interest and some common sense.

Baxx wrote:White Dwarf is both filled with commercials and North Korea style news...

"North Korean style news.....This made me Lol!

I've noticed a drop in quality, too.
From the first WD I have (March 2010) to now, I've seen less quality.
Also, since Kendrick varied, grammar has been a real problem, as has spelling...