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TedNugent wrote:[quote=TheSinheizer
What army do you play?

Maybe you could give the OP some ideas

Currently Chaos Daemons and Dark Eldar, though after the Space Marine game and the Ultramarines movie, I am actually very slowly coming around to wanting my very own SPESS MERHENS... I never thought it possible.

The biggest reasons I love CD and DE are because of their appearance and their background. Though I'd always advise people choose armies based on a true feeling of "If I were in the 40k world, I would BE one of those..." Plus, the more attached you feel to a certain army, the more likely you are to want to find out as much as you can about them, constantly improving your knowledge and really getting the feel of how they function. Because of the ability to feel so linked to an army it is without any shame that I say I don't play to win.. If I wanted to play to win I'd have just asked who were the absolute easiest race to tear it up with, leaving out all of the precious stuff which drew me to 40k in the first place.


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TedNugent wrote:

TheSinheizer wrote:
I really do feel like I'm treading on thin ice or something when I sometimes interact with other male gamers.

Then lighten up. Nobody likes walking on eggshells.

Believe me, I find them even less attractive then you do.

I used to work with girls at a videogame store. It's no problem. You're there, you work, you chat about stuff. If they're socially awkward or incapable of communicating with you in a sensible way, that's their problem. If you're incapable of being around men, well - maybe that's your problem. You're going to see a lot of men throughout your life, you might as well learn how to deal with it.

There's a huge difference between interacting with men, and interacting with people who are being asses.
Not all male gamers are the same way, by any stretch of the imagination, but, in my experience, a large portion are anything from intimidating to outright insulting. And yes, the truth is that because of that, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I'm just saying, it'd be nice if this hobby were more welcoming..

TheSinheizer wrote:
Currently Chaos Daemons and Dark Eldar, though after the Space Marine game and the Ultramarines movie, I am actually very slowly coming around to wanting my very own SPESS MERHENS... I never thought it possible.

What Chaos God do you prefer and are there any models that you would recommend?

In particular, what Deldar models?

TheSinheizer wrote:

There's a huge difference between interacting with men, and interacting with people who are being asses.
Not all male gamers are the same way, by any stretch of the imagination, but, in my experience, a large portion are anything from intimidating to outright insulting. And yes, the truth is that because of that, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I'm just saying, it'd be nice if this hobby were more welcoming..

No reason to tolerate that. I'll put it on the docket that we need a little more self policing of our sweaty overbearing behavior. Suffice to say, it's certainly not acceptable for anyone to be outright intimidating women, under any circumstances. That goes from rude to sick behavior, and I wouldn't fault anybody for wigging out and shimmying out the building in short order if some neckbeard started wheezing insults at them. You might want to consider bringing a friend with you if they get that outrageous. I certainly wouldn't tolerate anyone treating me like that.

Keep in mind, there's a reason most men avoid gaming conventions. I liked to think that gamers were more of big hairy teddybears that eat cheetos and don't care too much about personal hygeine. I guess not. Whatever gaming group you've been to is clearly not a very good one. I wouldn't want to play there.

Saying that a woman is going to be more interested in playing armies with female models is just pigeonholing them into a different pigeon hole.

It's kinda rude. That's like me telling my male friends "Oh no, you have to stay away from SoB - that's ONLY FOR CHICKS, geddit?"

Let people play what they want to play. The only thing I advise against is joining the mindless masses that play marines. If that's what you really want to do, then fine, but there are already enough power armored armies in the game.

Anyway, another beef. Perhaps women shun the hobby because they either get stared at, or overly preferential treatment. Both are rather distasteful. Problem is, 90% of our hobby is made up of 20-30 year old guys with a complete lack of social skills, so it's an awkward transition.

Oh, and lol "vagina repellent". I laughed.

Shadowsun...just saying

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

They are chemically castrated, as was listed in the 2nd edition dex.

As it hasn't been proven to have a space marine with someone, it's still pretty much canon.

Since there are no children with SM heritage it's safe to say they can't reproduce, it's just never explicitly stated that they are incapable of having sex.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't 2nd edition the one with the half-elf librarian?

Chesh wrote:Saying that a woman is going to be more interested in playing armies with female models is just pigeonholing them into a different pigeon hole.

It's kinda rude. That's like me telling my male friends "Oh no, you have to stay away from SoB - that's ONLY FOR CHICKS, geddit?"

Let people play what they want to play. The only thing I advise against is joining the mindless masses that play marines. If that's what you really want to do, then fine, but there are already enough power armored armies in the game.

Strongly agreed with the above

well stated too.

Wow. This thread is like a "who to avoid on DD" userlist. Some exceptions, but page 1 in particular. Just.. Wow.

Female gamer, Nid player, takin' notes.

Unless you want male-gaze cheesecake (Daemonettes, DEldar, Assassins, et cetera), SoB, Eldar & Tau are the only races that really offer any female options. I don't know why GW are so against having female/mixed gender Guard models, feth knows there're enough in the fluff.

Actually i knew a Japanese girl a few years back who loved 40k.

Probably had the largest extensive army of Tau models i've ever seen. It was her primary army and she used to railgun all my friends to death except for the Necron player who would rely upon the Pre-Matt Ward "Unstoppable March of Doom." tactic of Move-Shoot-Move.

And yet she never CosPlayed as them - she liked dressing up as CSM/Dark Eldar instead.

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Really with enough willpower, greenstuff, and time, you can make any army look however you want.

However you have picked one of the most testosterone infused armies in 40k (second only to the “sphess mahreins”) to play. You have to realize that everything about them, from the rules, to the fluff (lore/backstory) to the models is going to drip with manly stank. GW did not really create the ork range with female players in mind. Tbh they didn’t really create any of the armies with female players in mind. It’s just how it is unfortunately.

Huh... My mom likes the Orks. And the Space Marines.

Sorry to keep bringing up my mom, it's just that I don't really socialize much outside the house, so I don't have many friends of any gender.

My point isn't that women won't like them.

My point is that it’s a little silly to look through the ork codex which is full of this


(Green men who shoot bullshark hormones into their bums)

And wonder why GW makes no female or gender neutral orks. It’s simply not what the faction is about, it’s about packed hordes of dirty sweating green skinned space dudes participating in balls to the wall crazy warfare. Which ironically seems a little homosexual now that I say it.

Your mother also illustrates the point that not every women needs to see a plethora of female models to like the athletics’ of an army.

If that is what a person wants though, green stuff + time = miracles

Orks aren't homosexual, they're asexual.

Orks are not only aggressive, hard as nails, and crass, they're also silly and lighthearted, which makes them adorable. Any woman worth their salt would love Orks.

I would say orks are the classical "extremely manly man" steriotype

this wasn't a homo deal until gays decided to hijack the image.

Grey Templar wrote:I would say orks are the classical "extremely manly man" steriotype

this wasn't a homo deal until gays decided to hijack the image.

I don't think gay guys hijacked being manly. It's what many gay/bi guys like, so it's how many present.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

They are chemically castrated, as was listed in the 2nd edition dex.

As it hasn't been proven to have a space marine with someone, it's still pretty much canon.

Since there are no children with SM heritage it's safe to say they can't reproduce, it's just never explicitly stated that they are incapable of having sex.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't 2nd edition the one with the half-elf librarian?

Forget which books, but there was one where a marine was angry for someone having suggested they would entertain thoughts about women, saying their will is too strong or some such, indicating that they simply choose not to.

Also, wasn't there something about space wolves getting chicks? I dunno

Grey Templar wrote:I would say orks are the classical "extremely manly man" steriotype

this wasn't a homo deal until gays decided to hijack the image.

I don't think they hijacked the image as much as the stereotypical gay guy is much more concerned about his image than the stereotypical straight guy, and as such more likely to be in better shape. Regardless, it doesn't have much to do with the topic, does it?

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Really with enough willpower, greenstuff, and time, you can make any army look however you want.

However you have picked one of the most testosterone infused armies in 40k (second only to the “sphess mahreins”) to play. You have to realize that everything about them, from the rules, to the fluff (lore/backstory) to the models is going to drip with manly stank. GW did not really create the ork range with female players in mind. Tbh they didn’t really create any of the armies with female players in mind. It’s just how it is unfortunately.

Huh... My mom likes the Orks. And the Space Marines.

Sorry to keep bringing up my mom, it's just that I don't really socialize much outside the house, so I don't have many friends of any gender.

My point isn't that women won't like them.

My point is that it’s a little silly to look through the ork codex which is full of this


(Green men who shoot bullshark hormones into their bums)

And wonder why GW makes no female or gender neutral orks. It’s simply not what the faction is about, it’s about packed hordes of dirty sweating green skinned space dudes participating in balls to the wall crazy warfare. Which ironically seems a little homosexual now that I say it.

Your mother also illustrates the point that not every women needs to see a plethora of female models to like the athletics’ of an army.

If that is what a person wants though, green stuff + time = miracles

Huh... I thought that there were no female Orks because Orks reproduce asexually.

Although... There is that Ork cheerleader from the Blood Bowl range.

Is it really that bad for some people? This one shop I go to has a moderate amount of females, maybe it's the whole "Ma and Pa" store atmosphere and the fact that most of them are in their 40s-50s that we don't have the whole gawking thing going on.

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Really with enough willpower, greenstuff, and time, you can make any army look however you want.

However you have picked one of the most testosterone infused armies in 40k (second only to the “sphess mahreins”) to play. You have to realize that everything about them, from the rules, to the fluff (lore/backstory) to the models is going to drip with manly stank. GW did not really create the ork range with female players in mind. Tbh they didn’t really create any of the armies with female players in mind. It’s just how it is unfortunately.

Huh... My mom likes the Orks. And the Space Marines.

Sorry to keep bringing up my mom, it's just that I don't really socialize much outside the house, so I don't have many friends of any gender.

My point isn't that women won't like them.

My point is that it’s a little silly to look through the ork codex which is full of this


(Green men who shoot bullshark hormones into their bums)

And wonder why GW makes no female or gender neutral orks. It’s simply not what the faction is about, it’s about packed hordes of dirty sweating green skinned space dudes participating in balls to the wall crazy warfare. Which ironically seems a little homosexual now that I say it.

Your mother also illustrates the point that not every women needs to see a plethora of female models to like the athletics’ of an army.

If that is what a person wants though, green stuff + time = miracles

Huh... I thought that there were no female Orks because Orks reproduce asexually.

Although... There is that Ork cheerleader from the Blood Bowl range.

TedNugent wrote:Orks aren't homosexual, they're asexual.

Orks are not only aggressive, hard as nails, and crass, they're also silly and lighthearted, which makes them adorable. Any woman worth their salt would love Orks.

I give up

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I give up

And I'm confused. Why are we arguing?

My gf is into 40k, she's taken a shine to Daemons, loves the gore and fangs, doesn't care that most of the models are "men" and I guess you could say my necron army is all females.

so great how few people actually read the OP...

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:so great how few people actually read the OP...

Mmh.

Of course, there is the interesting phenomenon where people read the OP, understand it, keep reading the thread before posting, and someone who didn't read the full post posts something related only to the thread title, and then the new person gets sidetracked, with their only constant reference to the original post being the title at the top of the browser window.

:: shrugs :: Happens to me all the time.

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:so great how few people actually read the OP...

I read the OP, and I read the rest of the posts. Do you really wanna be "That Guy" who reposts something that's already been said, simply because it answers a question asked 2-3 pages ago before the topic diverged to something new?

The question was: "What about female warriors in the 40k universe?" and the answer came within a few posts: SoB, Dark/Eldar, Tau, and arguably Nids (and some IG). That's a pretty complete answer, and if you can't add anything to it, then why bother posting?

You might as well just post "+1" with nothing else.

Chesh wrote:

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:so great how few people actually read the OP...

I read the OP, and I read the rest of the posts. Do you really wanna be "That Guy" who reposts something that's already been said, simply because it answers a question asked 2-3 pages ago before the topic diverged to something new?

The question was: "What about female warriors in the 40k universe?" and the answer came within a few posts: SoB, Dark/Eldar, Tau, and arguably Nids (and some IG). That's a pretty complete answer, and if you can't add anything to it, then why bother posting?

You might as well just post "+1" with nothing else.

hypocrisy +1

Hypocrisy? On the INTARWEBZ? Perish the thought!

TheSinheizer wrote:There's a huge difference between interacting with men, and interacting with people who are being asses.
Not all male gamers are the same way, by any stretch of the imagination, but, in my experience, a large portion are anything from intimidating to outright insulting. And yes, the truth is that because of that, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I'm just saying, it'd be nice if this hobby were more welcoming..

Heh, I'd be surprised if I could intimidate anyone.

I tried to fight off some bullies once, a bit over ten years ago. Managed one kick. Don't think it even made contact.

And I try hard not to be insulting. My social anxiety keeps me thinking about some of the worse things that could happen when I talk with strangers. Like when one woman in line at the local GW and I were having a bit of a chat, and I refrained from mentioning that I'm schizophrenic despite my desire to - the conversation was initially an off-hand comment to her son about how I was buying a lot of stuff, and eventually it got to the point where I felt compelled to mention that I'm on disability. The conversation turned to silence right after that.

I refrained from mentioning that particular fact, because of the general public perception of schizophrenics - especially since just a year or two prior, there was a very large news story about a schizophrenic man who had killed someone on a bus on the other side of the country. To be honest, one of my thoughts was that if I mentioned it, she'd call for security or something.

Point is, when it comes to talking to strangers, I'm the one walking on eggshells, because I fear unintentionally insulting them and getting into a hugely awkward if not dangerous situation. There have been cases where I've said something, and the person I was talking to took it to mean something else that they found insulting, and I couldn't think of another way to explain it, so eventually, as I feebly tried to describe what I meant by trying to say it with a different tone of voice and emphasis, I got yelled at by my own parents and the person I was talking to. And that was with a friend.

Such experiences are not pleasant for me.

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I give up

And I'm confused. Why are we arguing?

We aren’t, however it seems that I lack the ability to get my point across.

Hence my frustration



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Pouncey wrote:
and eventually it got to the point where I felt compelled to mention that I'm on disability.

I can't claim to be a super smooth talker (see above) but I think in general it is advantageous to avoid such revelations when talking to a stranger in public, especially if they are a member of the opposite sex.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:
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Pouncey wrote:
and eventually it got to the point where I felt compelled to mention that I'm on disability.

I can't claim to be a super smooth talker (see above) but I think in general it is advantageous to avoid such revelations when talking to a stranger in public, especially if they are a member of the opposite sex.

Advantageous for what?

Edit: I should also mention that she made that off-hand comment to her son that started the conversation, not me. She then started talking to me about how I was lucky that my parents pay for such things - apparently I look younger than I am. I replied that I pay for them myself. She then commented to her son about jobs or something - her son was too young to work, she was referring to the future - at which point I commented that I don't work, but I live with my parents. At that point or after she said something else, I think I mentioned the disability thing. That's pretty much all I remember about the conversation, and I'm probably wrong about the order.

But, I am a bit apprehensive about mentioning that I'm on disability, especially while making such a purchase - I think I was buying 4-5 boxes of things at the time, but I don't remember - because of the comments my dad finds in his online browsing of news sites about the horrors of people on disability receiving any money at all beyond the bare essentials to survive. I could just picture her making such a post about her shock at such a thing.

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:
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Pouncey wrote:
and eventually it got to the point where I felt compelled to mention that I'm on disability.

I can't claim to be a super smooth talker (see above) but I think in general it is advantageous to avoid such revelations when talking to a stranger in public, especially if they are a member of the opposite sex.

Advantageous for what?

For continuing the conversation, for making casual acquaintances, not having people think you're weird.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Pouncey wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:
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Pouncey wrote:
and eventually it got to the point where I felt compelled to mention that I'm on disability.

I can't claim to be a super smooth talker (see above) but I think in general it is advantageous to avoid such revelations when talking to a stranger in public, especially if they are a member of the opposite sex.

Advantageous for what?

For continuing the conversation, for making casual acquaintances, not having people think you're weird.

Ahh. Yeah, my social skills are a bit limited, I'll admit.

Aaaaaaaaaand, we're right back to why more women don't play 40k.

Time spent away from "society at large" leads to a lack of social skills, which leads to awkward conversation, which leads to more time spent away from "society at large". It's a big downward spiral from there - or a small one, depending.

This is especially a problem between heterosexual males and females (of all gender identities or preferences, sadly). Females expect a certain intimacy that social awkwardness prevents, far moreso than men do - and before you get all "up in my grill" about how you're different, please realize that this is a well documented and scientifically proven difference between the sexes. Interestingly enough, homosexual men don't have this problem with females, but will often have it with other men, but I digress.

I wonder how many people win major tournaments but still have the crippling social awkwardness that makes the tabletop wargamers the "outcasts" of geekery at large. In a lot of respects, someone who succeeds at something - anything - is generally a well-liked and sociable person, simply because "winners" share a certain amount of desirable traits and are almost all socialized, to some extent.

I think I'll propose that to the IRB as a study and start fishing for grants. Being able to get grants to fund my 40k addiction? Oh hells yeah!