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Edit: I really should stop digging...

And this is why I love the Korps, who's to say that this isn't a 100% female squad, or mixed, or 9 male 1 female, or...

My problem with the inclusion of female models is that since gw focuses on young males the models will be extremely stripperiffic. Ive seen a custom IG female commissar with stripper heels and boobs hanging out, which is pretty damn stupid. I lothe chainmail bikinis and the like. If you do a female model it needs to look like a soldier first, female second. And if you do that to Cadians there is hardly any difference at this scale. Besides in real life men and women in body armor look similier, the face is generally all thats different.

I'll grant the SoB being kind of stripperiffic in a dominatrix kind of way (and the fluff sorta supports that) - but what about Tau, Eldar, and Dark Eldar? The only real differentiation on those models is the inclusion of tits.

That's where your argument kind of falls apart - 2/3rds of the armies that include "obvious" females (that aren't sisters of battle) show them wearing the same things as the males, and the Tau have no outward gender differences to begin with.

I, and a lot of women I know who are into fantasy, absolutely adore chainmail bikinis. Partially because of the hilarity that stems from a long, long history of playing D&D, but mostly because that's what's there. We've even gone above and beyond, trying to explain just how chainmail bikinis are as protective as full plate armor (best explanation yet: it's magnetized, so metal weapons are just forced to hit the protected areas).

The problem with current wave (what is this now, third? fourth wave?) feminists is that they aren't true feminists at all. The original goal of the feminist movement was to promote equality between the sexes - get women treated just the same as men - and part of the deal is that you're not allowed to have double standards. You can't want to be treated like a guy, but then scream sexual harrassment when your boss or coworker compliments you on your hairstyle or choice of clothes, and you can't ask to be treated like a guy, then kvetch that "chivalry is dead" when a guy won't open doors for you or pull out your chair at the table - and especially when it comes time to pay for dinner.

(*@#&%(@*#&% WHAT THE HELL IS IT ABOUT THIS THREAD THAT KEEPS PUSHING MY BERSERK BUTTONS!?

/endrant. Anyone who's interested in my views on feminism, feel free to PM me. Open-mindedly, of course.

@ Chesh

Sorry if I didnt make it clear, I was only talking about the Imperial Guard.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:@ Chesh

Sorry if I didnt make it clear, I was only talking about the Imperial Guard.

Don't worry OBC, I think Chesh was having a rant about his own little thing.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:@ Chesh

Sorry if I didnt make it clear, I was only talking about the Imperial Guard.

Don't worry OBC, I think Chesh was having a rant about his own little thing.

That's the nature of berserk buttons. Once pressed, It Gets Personal for some reason. I have quite a few minor berserk buttons, but nothing major that sends me into total frothing-at-the-mouth RAAAAAAWR maniac berserker mode.

Those people scare me.

kitsunecutie wrote:

kronk wrote:Considering orks grow from fungus and not breeding, there's no need for male or female "parts", are there?

I've seen some IG "female" bits in the form of some catachan models from GW and some 3rd party bits. Dark Eldar have female characters and several troop bits.

I would bet money that the next Cadian set would have them. Not sure why the current set doesn't.

Awesome! I appreciate that there are some female troops and bits available to mod with, however your first statement does make a lot of sense as far as the orkz go. My only complaint is that they are distinctly labeled as "boyz" which thusly engenders them. My other line of thinking is that being plant life and having that as the explanation, could they be a bit more androgynous? They are clearly males, so maybe that extra fungus downstairs could migrate North a half inch or so?

Welcome to Dakka!

As far as female orks go, I don't see why you can't just call your Boyz "Girlz" and paint them appropriately. Being orks, they'd still be masculine/beefy I suppose. With all of their gear and loose clothing, you might not see that much cleavage or other signs of being female. I've been doing some searches for female ork heads for 28mm models, but have come up empty so far. I did find an interesting "conversion" ork head in the Dakka Gallery. It took two top-knots and turned them into pig tails. However, you'll need to ignore the unrealistic "cans" this ork is sporting. Clearly, her mad doc is not skilled at implants...



Of course there are females that play 40k, in addtion to RPGs, other table top games, and so on. By some of the comments I'm reading here, I can see that many guys haven't been exposed to it that often, which is very sad. One of my Pathfinder groups has 3 females (including my girlfriend) and 4 males, plus the GM. The ladies play a monk, a bard, and a ranger, so that's two fighter types and a mage/theif type (and they kick ass).

Sadly, none of them are interested in Warhammer 40k, but one in particular has been influencing my modeling because of her love of Pirates. So, I've bought some pirate ork heads for a unit of Nobs and a Warboss that I'm going to deck out as free booters.

Anyway, don't let the lack of female bits discourage you. Make your army your own. With some imagination, some conversion work, and a little green stuff, you can have your Ork Girls rolling in no time!

kronk wrote:Of course there are females that play 40k, in addtion to RPGs, other table top games, and so on. By some of the comments I'm reading here, I can see that many guys haven't been exposed to it that often, which is very sad. One of my Pathfinder groups has 3 females (including my girlfriend) and 4 males, plus the GM. The ladies play a monk, a bard, and a ranger, so that's two fighter types and a mage/theif type (and they kick ass).

I actually know more girls who play D&D than guys, so you're definitely not alone on that one haha

kronk wrote:
Clearly, her mad doc is not skilled at implants...

Spoiler:

Maddonna wannabe.
Which answers the questions "Where are all the chicks". Necromunda!

TedNugent wrote:Orks aren't homosexual, they're asexual.

Where in the fluff does it say they aren't homosexual?

There's a difference between D&D and 40k though. D&D doesn't require nearly the amount of time and effort as 40k does, let alone the rather prohibitive cost involved.

Also, roleplaying is more attractive to women than plastic toy soldiers.

And yes, I play both tabletop RPGs and 40k. I've seen plenty of female RPGers, but in the almost 20 years I've been playing 40k, I've only seen 5 women in my groups or FLGSs - and 3 of those were of the "look at me, I has tittehs!" attentionwhore types. The other 2 were married to guys that played and were more interested in getting some husband time than actually playing the game.

Chesh wrote:
Also, roleplaying is more attractive to women than plastic toy soldiers.

Must...not....

Too many things just perfect in that sentence.

kb305 wrote:

Jonny_Awesome wrote:"Where are all the chicks?", my wife asks me. Being a trophy geek-wife, she is excited about video games, comics, collectibles, and other geek pursuits. And now that I am getting into 40k she is also taking a closer look. I suggested that the Orks seems to be more her play style and approach, which she was expectantly apprehensive of at first, but reluctantly accepted. But as she looked over the models, she makes the previous assessment. So, I look through all the various armies and find Sisters of Battle (flamethrower, melta chicks with power armor and jet packs? hell yeah!) and... well, nothing else really in specific. Sure, there are Eldar and some daemon. But other than that, the absurd amount of people fighting in space decided to leave their ladies at home it seems. To appease her I offered to help make tiny little pairs of ta-ta's for each and every ork in her army.

But that doesn't really solve the issue here. Of course, this is all merely based on my own personal experiences, but I have found that there are in fact quite a few girls who are not afraid to let their geek flag fly, and would rather see some strong female characters representing them on the field of battle. Hell, my other friends who are guys would like more female models simply to gawk at lecherously.

SO LET'S SEE 'EM! BRING ON THE LADIES!!

Ideas, thoughts, opinions?

the hobby is vagina repellent. chicks practically walk faster past the store to avoid seeing anything or hearing any of the conversations.

Lmao i just imagined a girl walking across the mall then seeing a gw store then running really fast whispering "chet chet chet" haha

On topic, I have seen females in my FLGS but they are the cashiers haha. Model-wise I had my first w40k purchase which was an eldar guardian squad (the 18 guys with no support thing) and being 4th ed, there were some female torsos in them

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Chesh wrote:
Also, roleplaying is more attractive to women than plastic toy soldiers.

Must...not....

Too many things just perfect in that sentence.

HAHAHA, how did I not catch that before I hit post?

Also, get your mind out of the gutter! It's blocking the view from my periscope!

TheSinheizer wrote:
The only time a diamond would be my best friend, might be if my boyfriend were to propose to me by hiding the ring inside a drop pod.

Quoted for being an epic idea.

As for the original question: who makes the game? That may answers a lot of questions. Gamers make a game to attract other gamers, that shares something with them. As a side-note, the GW board is all male (http://investor.games-workshop.com/the-board-of-directors/).

I know a lot of female gamers, but the only interest they expressed in 40k was the artistic part of it (painting / modeling). Too much logistics I guess.

I do not know who said that anyone should not be intimidated by another being flaws (namely poor social skills), but I could not agree more. If someone cannot act in an acceptable way in a specific situation (say, a girl in a gaming store), maybe it is the someone's fault, and not the situation's.

(Off topic - damn I miss arguing in english, all my skills are going down the drain!!!)

juraigamer wrote:

Testify wrote:Girls who ARE into 40k stay away from the GW shops because they're full of neckbeards who'll stare at them.

Exactly. I am disgusted every time the store gets quiet when a female walks in. It's like these damn kids have never seen one.

I think its funny as hell... at that moment you need to try and push a fart out.. just make it alittle more awkward for everyone in there

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote: Ive seen a custom IG female commissar with stripper heels and boobs hanging out

\Ever saw a female commisar that didnt?
There even was one like that in the WD recently. Okay, without the boobs.
But yes, I agree with you that they should be focused firstly soldier, then woman.

To be fair orks are not guys or girls they asexually reproduce



Edited for auto correct mistake

TedNugent wrote:

TheSinheizer wrote:
Currently Chaos Daemons and Dark Eldar, though after the Space Marine game and the Ultramarines movie, I am actually very slowly coming around to wanting my very own SPESS MERHENS... I never thought it possible.

What Chaos God do you prefer and are there any models that you would recommend?

In particular, what Deldar models?

I, too, play Chaos Daemons, and am looking forward to getting a Dark Eldar army "at some point". I wonder if it's a girl thing for those two armies? Probably a coincidence.

I like a mix of Slaanesh and Tzeentch, fast melee troops and some ranged support. Throw in maybe a unit of Flesh Hounds or Bloodletters if you need them. On the other hand, I convert my entire army to an entirely different Chaos God from one of the ancient WFRP splats (Obscuras), so the models aren't really standard for anything. The only non-converted models are probably me ten Diaz Seekers, which I adore. They are probably my favourite models from GW ever, they just look so fast and sleek, sexy but also somehow alien and dangerous. I also have Dryad heads on my "Horrors". Oh, and the Forgeworld Keeper of Slaanesh, who is a girl and much bigger/better than the GW one. And I'm building a Daemon Prince based on Sersi's excellent female Daemon Prince (Slaanesh) torso from his sculpts.

Now I think about it, there are rather a lot of "ta-ta's" in my army, at least on the Slaanesh side of things.

Dark Eldar wise, I love the Scourges. Again, deadly, fast, sleek, very dynamic poses. Love the feathered wings more than the bat, simply because it's a lot easier to pull off a good feathered wing colour scheme (in my opinion). The Wyches are.. okay.. but I think they look a bit silly. The entire Dark Eldar range are excellent models, but I think I prefer the "Kabalite" types, the Warriors are solid sculpts, the Mandrakes are also awesomeness.

As for the girl/awkwardness thing, it's come up a bit once or twice, but nothing major. I've certainly never been stared at as the entire shop goes silent.

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:so great how few people actually read the OP...

right? to be frank, i've just been sitting back and enjoying the show. XD


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WolfBrother916 wrote:

juraigamer wrote:

Testify wrote:Girls who ARE into 40k stay away from the GW shops because they're full of neckbeards who'll stare at them.

Exactly. I am disgusted every time the store gets quiet when a female walks in. It's like these damn kids have never seen one.

I think its funny as hell... at that moment you need to try and push a fart out.. just make it alittle more awkward for everyone in there

My wife and I cracked up and then she tells me that she wants that to be her entrance when she debuts her army. only it will be she who farts and then saunters over to the nearest table and starts unloading neon pink orks. with a huge smile she would ask anyone nearby "so, who wants to pla-ay?" in a sing song voice.

felixander wrote:

TedNugent wrote:Orks aren't homosexual, they're asexual.

Where in the fluff does it say they aren't homosexual?

If an asexual being loves another asexual being, is that homosexual or heterosexual?

False.
Asexual organisms cannot feel sexual attraction. There is no point, as they lack the..."hardware" to do so.

Still doesn't answer the question though.

Soccerlfb6 wrote:...all girls want is money...u spend a ton on this hobby...itll piss em off and c it as a waste...end of story ur money goes to them not models..

Im sitting in law lecture, and trying so hard not to laugh out loud at this. Not only because its funny, but in a lot of ways true.

Mr Nobody wrote:

felixander wrote:

TedNugent wrote:Orks aren't homosexual, they're asexual.

Where in the fluff does it say they aren't homosexual?

If an asexual being loves another asexual being, is that homosexual or heterosexual?

Homo just means the same. Homogenous, for example.

Hazardous Harry wrote:Still doesn't answer the question though.

It is called heresy.
Strange, kinky, heresy.

Where are all the chicks? Probably banging the non hobbyist best friends!

We need Necron ladies.

They would have great bragging rights. Necrodermis tatas would never ah... suffer from gravity. Firm and tight, for all eternity. Not to mention how easy it would be to maintain their girlish figure. I mean, the posture could probably use some work, but just ship them off to a finishing tomb world. Once they can walk about balancing a stack of scarabs on their head while firing, they'll be good to go!

And even better for the flayed ones! They'd really know how to accessorize.

DrimGark wrote:We need Necron ladies.

They would have great bragging rights. Necrodermis tatas would never ah... suffer from gravity. Firm and tight, for all eternity. Not to mention how easy it would be to maintain their girlish figure. I mean, the posture could probably use some work, but just ship them off to a finishing tomb world. Once they can walk about balancing a stack of scarabs on their head while firing, they'll be good to go!

And even better for the flayed ones! They'd really know how to accessorize.

You're welcome.
You bloody heretic.