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Kilkrazy wrote:

Manchu wrote:I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

The primary concern in an education system is the well-being of the children. I believe that ethically justifies taping if there is reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing. The tapes could be destroyed if no evidence came out of them.

In my opinion, though, the father should have taken his concerns to the authorities, rather than YouTube. He has only managed to alienate half of the DakkaDakka OT forum, and that won't help his son at all.

Wrong. If it is determined the collection was illegal (and I strongly suspect it was) it becomes useless as evidence, publishing it exacerbates the situation, and opens Daddy up to criminal and civil lawsuits which won't be good for his family.

There were other, legal, ways to adress the issue.

Or do you believe it is okay to break the law if you think you have a good reason? If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

I remember a science teacher from back when I was 10 that called me into his room and grabbed me, the started slinging me against the wall after I went in.
The issue was that I had forgotten to sign a test I had taken earlier that day and he was totaly offended.
I ended up getting a 95 on the thing and, when handing back the tests, he again made it a big deal that I hadn't signed my name on the thing.
He ended up getting fired later on for slugging another student up the back of the head.



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Ah, the joys of the Northern Maine school system in those days!

CptJake wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Manchu wrote:I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

The primary concern in an education system is the well-being of the children. I believe that ethically justifies taping if there is reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing. The tapes could be destroyed if no evidence came out of them.

In my opinion, though, the father should have taken his concerns to the authorities, rather than YouTube. He has only managed to alienate half of the DakkaDakka OT forum, and that won't help his son at all.

Wrong. If it is determined the collection was illegal (and I strongly suspect it was) it becomes useless as evidence, publishing it exacerbates the situation, and opens Daddy up to criminal and civil lawsuits which won't be good for his family.

There were other, legal, ways to adress the issue.

Or do you believe it is okay to break the law if you think you have a good reason?

Is it breaking the law if you have a lawful excuse?

If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

I don't see how this is possible. Who exactly would be suing him, and what for?

Furthermore, what kind of damages could be claimed that would bankrupt him?

The 'teachers' in this have obviously lost their interest in actually teaching. They are talking in front of the children in the same manner two workers might discuss matters in a production line. They have forgotten the important task they are being paid to do.

Also, harsh and aggressive behavior as demonstrated in the sound recording, including the name calling, are especially damaging to those affected with autism. I have had little interaction with autistic children but I've had a good deal of time with autistic adults and they can be very susceptible to ambient attitude and hostility.

The people responsible should be struck off from ever teaching again.

They called a 10 year old child with autism a bastard, to his face.

You are seriously wondering why this guy is fethed off? Him venting on youtube is personal catharsis, it's letting off steam on a blog. They've been trying to figure out what's wrong with the child and it turns out it's the people they're handing him over to to take care of him.

Frazzled, mate, if it was Connie, you'd be gunning for bear by now. If your girl had been spoken to like that by teachers, in loco parentis, paid professionals, you'd be slapping them with a lawsuit sooner than you can say 'noone abuses my child and sees the morn'.

frgsinwntr wrote:I teach physics in a public school system. That said... there are MANY teachers that aren't professional or should be fired. HOWEVER... you get what you pay for. If you pay teachers poorly... you get poor teachers (both meanings meant here).

I may be moving onto another career soon however... as even after 6 years into the job (with a glowing record btw!), I don't make enough to support my wife/child in this state while paying back loans for the bachelors and masters degree.

You know what they say frigs...those that can't do....teach.

GG

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The 'teachers' in this have obviously lost their interest in actually teaching. They are talking in front of the children in the same manner two workers might discuss matters in a production line. They have forgotten the important task they are being paid to do.

Also, harsh and aggressive behavior as demonstrated in the sound recording, including the name calling, are especially damaging to those affected with autism. I have had little interaction with autistic children but I've had a good deal of time with autistic adults and they can be very susceptible to ambient attitude and hostility.

The people responsible should be struck off from ever teaching again.

They called a 10 year old child with autism a bastard, to his face.

You are seriously wondering why this guy is fethed off? Him venting on youtube is personal catharsis, it's letting off steam on a blog. They've been trying to figure out what's wrong with the child and it turns out it's the people they're handing him over to to take care of him.

Frazzled, mate, if it was Connie, you'd be gunning for bear by now. If your girl had been spoken to like that by teachers, in loco parentis, paid professionals, you'd be slapping them with a lawsuit sooner than you can say 'noone abuses my child and sees the morn'.

You speak the truth on all points and in truth I agree. You mess with GC and you better have guns drawn and aiming for the door because I'm coming with a shotgun and pliers, and Hell is coming with me.
True tale. Last year, we received a call that some punk had sucker punched the Boy on a band trip. Went up there, promised not to staart anything to the Wife but as soon as I got there I started tearing the place apart looking for the kid. they rushed the kid out the back before I could get to him. I used to break bricks with my head for fun (explains a lot). I was going to eat the skin from his bones. Wife didn'tsay a thing. Psycho attack dog for the family is what she hired me on for.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Oh jeez another whiny helicopter parent.
If you don't like it, quit your belly aching and take care of your own kid, and quit making me pay for it and wasting the valuable time and incredibly expensive resources on your mouthbreathing waste of skin (after all he's related to you). Loser.

...are you for real?

Sadly yes.

CT GAMER wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Oh jeez another whiny helicopter parent.
If you don't like it, quit your belly aching and take care of your own kid, and quit making me pay for it and wasting the valuable time and incredibly expensive resources on your mouthbreathing waste of skin (after all he's related to you). Loser.

...are you for real?

Sadly yes.

The way I figure Frazz is that he is 50% speaking out of true conviction, the other 50% is pure trolling.

I have yet to be completely certain which is which though

Frazzled wrote:
True tale. Last year, we received a call that some punk had sucker punched the Boy on a band trip. Went up there, promised not to staart anything to the Wife but as soon as I got there I started tearing the place apart looking for the kid. they rushed the kid out the back before I could get to him. I used to break bricks with my head for fun (explains a lot). I was going to eat the skin from his bones. Wife didn'tsay a thing. Psycho attack dog for the family is what she hired me on for.

UMMM Yeahhh......


GG

Those teachers (and aides) are wrong and stupid.

That is all.

d-usa wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Oh jeez another whiny helicopter parent.
If you don't like it, quit your belly aching and take care of your own kid, and quit making me pay for it and wasting the valuable time and incredibly expensive resources on your mouthbreathing waste of skin (after all he's related to you). Loser.

...are you for real?

Sadly yes.

The way I figure Frazz is that he is 50% speaking out of true conviction, the other 50% is pure trolling.

I have yet to be completely certain which is which though

As soon as you figure it out, remind me.

25% making fun of people deserving to be made fun of (not dakkaites), 25% having a good time, 25% advocating the greatness of Texas/wiener dogs, 25% having a point somewhere in my head.


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generalgrog wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
True tale. Last year, we received a call that some punk had sucker punched the Boy on a band trip. Went up there, promised not to staart anything to the Wife but as soon as I got there I started tearing the place apart looking for the kid. they rushed the kid out the back before I could get to him. I used to break bricks with my head for fun (explains a lot). I was going to eat the skin from his bones. Wife didn'tsay a thing. Psycho attack dog for the family is what she hired me on for.

UMMM Yeahhh......


GG

If you understood what the wife had been through before Frazzled's wiener bag of GET OFF MY LAWN you'd understand.

Yo, thought this article might be on topic.

Take it as you will.

That dad just really rubbed me the wrong way. Go drink your problems away, like a man, instead of whining to the internets.

I have to agree with this guy. 2 Hours a day I'm in a room with autistic children (See: I have a severe memory problem and cannot do homework for gak due to emotional trauma and the memory issues, so I need the help) and they can get very depressed at times. When a teacher says something to the class in general that's negative, the students take it hard.

So, imagine a child that has such high emotions that he will cry if you breathe on him wrong. Now introduce an donkey-cave to the equation.

See why I want to throttle this teacher?

And to all those who posted complaints about how he's a whiney donkey-cave; perhaps look at the date the video went up and look at the date when it went viral.

CptJake wrote:
Or do you believe it is okay to break the law if you think you have a good reason? If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

First, I'm fairly certain everyone believes its alright to break the law given good reason.

Second, no, you don't need to be willing to bear the legal consequences of your actions. It might help, but it isn't necessary.

When he said: "She stabbed him...." I thought: Omg, I didn't think they would actually stab him!
When he said: "...With words." I thought: shut the up, and, LOL.


What an overdramatic, illigally-wiring, incredibly-whiny helicopter parent!
Beer is for troubles, not a long, whining youtube!




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Frazzled wrote:
True tale. Last year, we received a call that some punk had sucker punched the Boy on a band trip. Went up there, promised not to staart anything to the Wife but as soon as I got there I started tearing the place apart looking for the kid. they rushed the kid out the back before I could get to him. I used to break bricks with my head for fun (explains a lot). I was going to eat the skin from his bones. Wife didn'tsay a thing. Psycho attack dog for the family is what she hired me on for.

Oooh,



Just joking, I would have done the same however in that situation.

The 'teachers' in this have obviously lost their interest in actually teaching.

It isn't surprising when teachers get paid absolute gak.

CptJake wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Manchu wrote:I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

The primary concern in an education system is the well-being of the children. I believe that ethically justifies taping if there is reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing. The tapes could be destroyed if no evidence came out of them.

In my opinion, though, the father should have taken his concerns to the authorities, rather than YouTube. He has only managed to alienate half of the DakkaDakka OT forum, and that won't help his son at all.

Wrong. If it is determined the collection was illegal (and I strongly suspect it was) it becomes useless as evidence, publishing it exacerbates the situation, and opens Daddy up to criminal and civil lawsuits which won't be good for his family.

There were other, legal, ways to adress the issue.

Or do you believe it is okay to break the law if you think you have a good reason? If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

Do you consider that the supposed charge of taping someone without their permission is more serious than the supposed charge of child abuse?

More serious has no relevance. Each is illegal.

Add in that MUCH of what he transcribed and played on YouTube were not even conversations directed at the kids, let alone his kid, but instead conversations between the teacher and teacher aid and I think he screwed the pooch on this and should be hammered for it.


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Hazardous Harry wrote:

CptJake wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Manchu wrote:I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

The primary concern in an education system is the well-being of the children. I believe that ethically justifies taping if there is reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing. The tapes could be destroyed if no evidence came out of them.

In my opinion, though, the father should have taken his concerns to the authorities, rather than YouTube. He has only managed to alienate half of the DakkaDakka OT forum, and that won't help his son at all.

Wrong. If it is determined the collection was illegal (and I strongly suspect it was) it becomes useless as evidence, publishing it exacerbates the situation, and opens Daddy up to criminal and civil lawsuits which won't be good for his family.

There were other, legal, ways to adress the issue.

Or do you believe it is okay to break the law if you think you have a good reason?

Is it breaking the law if you have a lawful excuse?

If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

I don't see how this is possible. Who exactly would be suing him, and what for?

Furthermore, what kind of damages could be claimed that would bankrupt him?

He didn't have a 'lawful excuse' and yes it is breaking the law.

The teachers could sue, more likely their union or the school board (I would bet the union). Even if almost no damages were awarded a court case would cost tens of thousands of dollars (assuming the family hires a competent lawyer). That is just a civil trial. If he actually got brought up on criminal charges he potentially loses freedom, his family loses his income while he is playing fish, and unless he goes with a public defender he still has legal fees.


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Hazardous Harry wrote:
Is it breaking the law if you have a lawful excuse?

If your reasons are that good you need to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. In this case, that means Daddy must be willing possibly serve time and bankrupt his family because he was suspicious of a teacher.

I don't see how this is possible. Who exactly would be suing him, and what for?

Furthermore, what kind of damages could be claimed that would bankrupt him?

He didn;t have a 'lawful excuse' and yes it is breaking the law.

The teachers could sue, more likely their union or the school board (I would bet the union). Even if almost no damages were awarded a court case would cost tens of thousands of dollars (assuming the family hires a competent lawyer). That is just a civil trial. If he actually got brought up on criminal charges he potentially loses freedom, his family loses his income while he is playing fish, and unless he goes with a public defender he still has legal fees.

CptJake wrote:
He didn;t have a 'lawful excuse' and yes it is breaking the law.

Which law? The law of "Oh noes, people pay attention to things I do in public!"

That law?

TheRobotLol wrote:When he said: "She stabbed him...." I thought: Omg, I didn't think they would actually stab him!
When he said: "...With words." I thought: shut the up, and, LOL.


What an overdramatic, illigally-wiring, incredibly-whiny helicopter parent!
Beer is for troubles, not a long, whining youtube!




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Frazzled wrote:
True tale. Last year, we received a call that some punk had sucker punched the Boy on a band trip. Went up there, promised not to staart anything to the Wife but as soon as I got there I started tearing the place apart looking for the kid. they rushed the kid out the back before I could get to him. I used to break bricks with my head for fun (explains a lot). I was going to eat the skin from his bones. Wife didn'tsay a thing. Psycho attack dog for the family is what she hired me on for.

Oooh,



Just joking, I would have done the same however in that situation.

I saw Richard Pryor live once. Excellent.

CptJake wrote:
The teachers could sue, more likely their union or the school board (I would bet the union). Even if almost no damages were awarded a court case would cost tens of thousands of dollars (assuming the family hires a competent lawyer). That is just a civil trial. If he actually got brought up on criminal charges he potentially loses freedom, his family loses his income while he is playing fish, and unless he goes with a public defender he still has legal fees.

What law has he broken?

Also, the school can't sue because they feel like it. There has to be a matter for the court to decide on (like whether to impose an injuction or award damages). He wouldn't even need a decent lawyer to get this thrown out of court, the judge simply wouldn't allow it.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

CptJake wrote:
The teachers could sue, more likely their union or the school board (I would bet the union). Even if almost no damages were awarded a court case would cost tens of thousands of dollars (assuming the family hires a competent lawyer). That is just a civil trial. If he actually got brought up on criminal charges he potentially loses freedom, his family loses his income while he is playing fish, and unless he goes with a public defender he still has legal fees.

What law has he broken?

Also, the school can't sue because they feel like it. There has to be a matter for the court to decide on (like whether to impose an injuction or award damages). He wouldn't even need a decent lawyer to get this thrown out of court, the judge simply wouldn't allow it.

Wiretapping. In many states in the US, it is illegal to record someone's conversation/images without their permission.

CptJake wrote:More serious has no relevance. Each is illegal.

I take it then that you would not park in a no parking zone in order to prevent a weapon of mass destruction from being released.

I ate some questionable fried chicken yesterday. Gave me an upset stomach. One might say that they 'stabbed me with chicken'.

generalgrog wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:I teach physics in a public school system. That said... there are MANY teachers that aren't professional or should be fired. HOWEVER... you get what you pay for. If you pay teachers poorly... you get poor teachers (both meanings meant here).

I may be moving onto another career soon however... as even after 6 years into the job (with a glowing record btw!), I don't make enough to support my wife/child in this state while paying back loans for the bachelors and masters degree.

You know what they say frigs...those that can't do....teach.

GG

And those that can't teach seem to think it's easy. I've never understood why.

Kilkrazy wrote:

CptJake wrote:More serious has no relevance. Each is illegal.

I take it then that you would not park in a no parking zone in order to prevent a weapon of mass destruction from being released.

This sentence has a completely different meaning if you ate Mexican or Indian food the night before.

Frazzled wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

CptJake wrote:
The teachers could sue, more likely their union or the school board (I would bet the union). Even if almost no damages were awarded a court case would cost tens of thousands of dollars (assuming the family hires a competent lawyer). That is just a civil trial. If he actually got brought up on criminal charges he potentially loses freedom, his family loses his income while he is playing fish, and unless he goes with a public defender he still has legal fees.

What law has he broken?

Also, the school can't sue because they feel like it. There has to be a matter for the court to decide on (like whether to impose an injuction or award damages). He wouldn't even need a decent lawyer to get this thrown out of court, the judge simply wouldn't allow it.

Wiretapping. In many states in the US, it is illegal to record someone's conversation/images without their permission.

So is there a Right to Privacy in the US? Or is this some other issue?

In either case, what prosecutor in their right mind would pursue this?

Albatross wrote:
And those that can't teach seem to think it's easy. I've never understood why.

Because of guys like me.

Mr Hyena wrote:

The 'teachers' in this have obviously lost their interest in actually teaching.

It isn't surprising when teachers get paid absolute gak.

and are constantly treated like the enemy.... of something or other. I would be bitter and angry all the time as well.

I know a few special ed, elementary, and higher ed. teachers, and they burn out fast. Hint: It's not because of the kids.