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dogma wrote:The Mongols also made a habit of raping little girls.

A theme emerges.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Frankly we need a lot more bullying. Back when bullying was a time honored tradition we ruled the world, like the Brits did before they wussed. If it was good enough for the Mongols its good enough for me.

The Mongols also made a habit of raping little girls.

Is that good enough for you?

Dogma, Dakka's professional buzzkill specialist.


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Manchu wrote:

dogma wrote:The Mongols also made a habit of raping little girls.

A theme emerges.

Mogolian barbeque?

I teach physics in a public school system. That said... there are MANY teachers that aren't professional or should be fired. HOWEVER... you get what you pay for. If you pay teachers poorly... you get poor teachers (both meanings meant here).

I may be moving onto another career soon however... as even after 6 years into the job (with a glowing record btw!), I don't make enough to support my wife/child in this state while paying back loans for the bachelors and masters degree.

CptJake wrote:That is okay. Daddy will get his when he is the latest and most popular fish in the state pen once he is brought up on charges and convicted for illegally recording the conversations he did.

As long as the son consented to the wire, then this isn't illegal recording. If you want to have a private conversation you don't do it in front of other people.

biccat wrote:
As long as the son consented to the wire, then this isn't illegal recording. If you want to have a private conversation you don't do it in front of other people.

But can the son consent? He's both underage, and autistic.

biccat wrote:

CptJake wrote:That is okay. Daddy will get his when he is the latest and most popular fish in the state pen once he is brought up on charges and convicted for illegally recording the conversations he did.

As long as the son consented to the wire, then this isn't illegal recording. If you want to have a private conversation you don't do it in front of other people.

Well that depends on the state's wiretapping laws actually.

dogma wrote:But can the son consent? He's both underage, and autistic.

His legal guardian can consent on his behalf. Oh look, it's his dad!

Although in some cases a court could (assuming there's some suit at issue) determine this absent the father's interest. But I think it's safe to say that this recording was at least in the child's best interest.

Frazzled wrote:Well that depends on the state's wiretapping laws actually.

Jersey is a one-party consent state. But I'm pretty sure there's no expectation of privacy in a public conversation.

NJ is a one party consent state, BUT I seriously doubt the kid can legally give consent, and the conversations recorded were not really all between the kid and the teacher. Lots of incidental collection between the teachers where the kid was not a party in the conversation.

The teachers union will likely lawyer up and crucify this guy even if he evades criminal prosecution.

Disclosing the contents of illegally recorded conversations also violates some laws at state and Fed level.

Have any of you listened to it then?

As I said, its not THAT bad is it? I'm curious to see other opinions, cos me and my missus agree, and I'm concerned we might actually be a bit fethed up.

Thing is, the teacher talks about getting leathered on wine the night before, alright, a bit unprofessional, but she is obviously joshing with the other adults in the room because the kids aren't all there and wont listen that intently to what they are saying to each other. Im not saying they aren't morons, but "Oh man I was trashed last night!" in front of Autistic kids who wont know what the hell you are on about isn't that big a deal is it? Ive said similar in front of my nephew, safe in the knowledge he is playing the Nintendo and doesnt care that much about what Im saying. If every kid was wearing a wire nationwide, I guarantee you would hear way worse than this. I think the Dad was blowing it all out of proportion.

The "Little bastard" bit was also harsh, but seemed more under the breath in frustration more than full on bullying.

As I said, Im not saying they aren't gak teachers, but its nothing like I expected. I hate the whiny girly-man Dad more than the dumb fething teachers anyway! If I was in the same situation I doubt I would have evn done anything. Maybe if the wife taped it I would go have a word and say "Sort your life out, I know the lads fething annoying but your not much of a teacher in my eyes" but I doubt I would have had her fired, and I certainly wouldnt have advocated a custodial sentence like the fether is doing via his youtube page!

As always, YMMV, but I can certainly see both sides to the story. Austic kids would proper piss me off as well, shrieking at me like they are on the tape. Whilst I certainly wouldnt behave as poorly as the teachers do, I dont think they are viscious or "sick in the head" like he described them.

Did I mention I hate the Dad? He looks like he is going to cry, he wires his kid, he gave him a stupid name and he ...well.. he wires his kid and seems to believe the lad can never do any wrong.

Oh and he used the term "stabbed him with words"

Dislike the teachers, hate the Dad.

Talks like he is reading off cue cards.
Makes a big deal out of *mostly* minor issues
What a feth.

Maybe it's his whiney attitude or the fact that he named his kid Anikin or some other awful gak that makes me not care.

Maybe it's the part where (I assume) public funding got him an all autism class and a behavioralist to boot. Sounds pretty sweet to me. Clear out those EVIL teachers that DARE speak of having a life in front of incommunicado kids and free state sponsored specialist day care: hooray.

Stop being a bitch on YouTube and handle your business with the school.

mattyrm wrote:
As I said, its not THAT bad is it? I'm curious to see other opinions, cos me and my missus agree, and I'm concerned we might actually be a bit fethed up.

Given that the child is autistic, its pretty bad. It would be different with a "normal" kid, but not much.

My aunt flipped her gak when she heard that recording. Granted, it was clearly edited, but I have trouble believing that matters much given what was said. Further, putting myself in the kid's shoes, there's a fight going on if that was said to me.

Ultimately, as I generally default, the teacher was dumb enough to get caught. The rest is irrelevant.

AustonT wrote:Talks like he is reading off cue cards.
Makes a big deal out of *mostly* minor issues
What a feth.

Maybe it's his whiney attitude or the fact that he named his kid Anikin or some other awful gak that makes me not care.

Maybe it's the part where (I assume) public funding got him an all autism class and a behavioralist to boot. Sounds pretty sweet to me. Clear out those EVIL teachers that DARE speak of having a life in front of incommunicado kids and free state sponsored specialist day care: hooray.

Stop being a bitch on YouTube and handle your business with the school.

Sounds like he wants money, but deserves a ball pien hammer.

a lot of you guys are looking at this like adults. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a kid and see how that would affect you.

when youre at the age where your personality and values are heavily affected by rolemodels and people of authority (ie parents and teachers) having your teacher call you a "bastard" even under her breath is pretty devastating.

what more if youre called that in the presence of other adults who dont even make a move to defend you?

Youll feel pretty worthless

and that doesnt even factor in the autism.

when people think of abuse the default is to always think "physical" and we forget that verbal and psychological abuse are very real things. Theyre more common and i sometimes think theyre more dangerous.

yeah i get that "grow up be tough" is how people nowadays think is the way to raise kids to avoid the stereotypical "bad parent" stigma but not all situations need that type of approach

sometimes you just have to go Papa Bear on people

How high was the gain turned up when the teacher said that though - would it have been inaudible to normal hearing but amplified by the pick up? (I cba to watch the video).

Also, autistic people process the world around them differently - they don't see or experience the world the same way a normal child would (depending on the severity and type of autism, obviously).

mattyrm wrote:As I said, its not THAT bad is it? I'm curious to see other opinions, cos me and my missus agree, and I'm concerned we might actually be a bit fethed up.

Nah, if you guys are fethed up, it's for other reasons than this.

Is there a code of conduct for teachers?

Does it allow calling children bastards, etc?

If that occurred, and was against the code, was it wrong for the father to take action?

I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

He wants money. He would just keep reocrding until he found something juicy. indeed we have noidea of haow many dozens of hundreds of hours of taping he's done to get this one juicy bit.

Hammertime.

Frazzled wrote:He wants money. He would just keep reocrding until he found something juicy. indeed we have noidea of haow many dozens of hundreds of hours of taping he's done to get this one juicy bit.

Hammertime.

I'd pretty much go with this. Sure, what the teachers said/did/etc wasn't acceptable, but I have a feeling this guy was going to keep looking to be offended even if he had to sit through hundreds of hours of tapes for something that he could take as being offensive (if he did not find anything genuinely so).

I think the guy shouldn't be working with vulnerable kids if he feels that way about them. I might think stuff like that when a particularly mouthy kid is giving me aggro, but I would never verbalise it- it's really unprofessional.

As for parents wiring their kids, I'd love to wear a wire myself and play back some of the kid's responses about things to the parents sometimes. I think I'd be alright with any kid wearing a wire in my lessons, because while they're not always awesome, I always behave properly.

I agree that it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, however it was still inappropriate and cruel in places. The main woman you hear I think deserved to be fired. I was bullied by a teacher when I was younger, blamed for being bullied by other kids and being told I must have deserved being jumped by a group of 5/6 of my 'classmates'.

Da Boss, the argument can be made that all children are vulnerable from a safeguarding view, just by the fact that they are children.

Well, then especially vulnerable children. A normal kid will flip out at anything like that though, in my experience, so there's no way a teacher would say anything like that in their presence.

Kilkrazy wrote:Is there a code of conduct for teachers?

Does it allow calling children bastards, etc?

If that occurred, and was against the code, was it wrong for the father to take action?

The Aide that called the kid a bastard was fired.
The Father already took action, so did they school.
Now he is whining and Internet posturing.

AustonT wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Is there a code of conduct for teachers?

Does it allow calling children bastards, etc?

If that occurred, and was against the code, was it wrong for the father to take action?

The Aide that called the kid a bastard was fired.
The Father already took action, so did they school.
Now he is whining and Internet posturing.

Wow he's even more of a then I would have thought. Defintely angling to sue.

But all he wants is a public apology, not money. He said this, it must be true. Its on the internet after all.

I see what you did there!

If the teachers were talking about being hungover on "volunteering for greenpeace" and calling kids 'liberals' as an insult, then some of the folks on here would be more upset

d-usa wrote:If the teachers were talking about being hungover on "volunteering for greenpeace" and calling kids 'liberals' as an insult, then some of the folks on here would be more upset

hehe... I see what you did there...

d-usa wrote:If the teachers were talking about being hungover on "volunteering for greenpeace" and calling kids 'liberals' as an insult, then some of the folks on here would be more upset

On the contrary I get to experience liberal teachers liberaling ingesting libations every friday evening when I go with my wife and her coworkers to happy hour.
I'm not upset because the YouTube poster is a douche who has already gotten justice.

Manchu wrote:I am wondering how violation in fact of a code of conduct can justify the dad wiring his son before knowing of the violation. If the boy's teachers had not in fact "stabbed him with words" would the father's behavior be unjustified?

The primary concern in an education system is the well-being of the children. I believe that ethically justifies taping if there is reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing. The tapes could be destroyed if no evidence came out of them.

In my opinion, though, the father should have taken his concerns to the authorities, rather than YouTube. He has only managed to alienate half of the DakkaDakka OT forum, and that won't help his son at all.