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I'm not talking 16-18 yr olds, I'm talking 8-10 year olds that will buy anything star wars.

Also, It'd be nearly impossible to match up time periods
there's the jedi civil war period, then the rise of the sith, the fall of the sith, clone wars, rise of the empire, rebellion, fall of the empire, yuzaan vong war, and post yuzaan vong war. It's pretty hard to match these conflicts against one another and some characters would vary intensely depending on their personal time period. It'd be weird having a jedi like Obiwan fighting Yuzaan Vong when he was dead long before anyone had the slightest idea they existed...
(forgive my spelling mistakes)

Rimmy wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
They would end up appealing to even smaller rug rats who have no business and it would delude the hobby with people who dont know how to do anything.

you do understand there are ponies in your avatar and signature right? how can you exclude the young when you find pleasure in their things?

LMFAO, so true. And at least Star Wars interests both sexes of many different age groups, ponies are in the exclusive domains of 5 year old girls and apparently college-age men?

Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, It'd be nearly impossible to match up time periods
there's the jedi civil war period, then the rise of the sith, the fall of the sith, clone wars, rise of the empire, rebellion, fall of the empire, yuzaan vong war, and post yuzaan vong war. It's pretty hard to match these conflicts against one another and some characters would vary intensely depending on their personal time period. It'd be weird having a jedi like Obiwan fighting Yuzaan Vong when he was dead long before anyone had the slightest idea they existed...
(forgive my spelling mistakes)

Star Wars Miniatures did this just fine. I mean granted it was rare to have Yuuzhan Vong fighting Old Republic, but it could definitely happen.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, It'd be nearly impossible to match up time periods
there's the jedi civil war period, then the rise of the sith, the fall of the sith, clone wars, rise of the empire, rebellion, fall of the empire, yuzaan vong war, and post yuzaan vong war. It's pretty hard to match these conflicts against one another and some characters would vary intensely depending on their personal time period. It'd be weird having a jedi like Obiwan fighting Yuzaan Vong when he was dead long before anyone had the slightest idea they existed...
(forgive my spelling mistakes)

How about Huron Blackheart and Lugft Huron, same guy, different periods, depending on your gaming group he could be fighting himself...I really wouldn't worry about things matching up, it is more of a 'what if this fight could happen' type of scenario.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Because they dont cater to me. If i find kid's entertainment enjoyable i dont delude it. it is the other way around though.

In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Given the context you've used it in twice now, I suspect you mean dilute, rather than delude.

Or perhaps 'exclude'?

hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
....
I'm not talking 16-18 yr olds, I'm talking 8-10 year olds that will buy anything star wars.

It's funny to point out, but there were exactly the same kind of arguments before LoTR was released. Perhaps in some ways they were right, in terms of the changes that happened to GW in its wake. Although, that is worthy of a topic all of its own.

Rimmy wrote:you're assuming that the majority I speak of are gamers and not the THRONGS of Star Wars fans. forget the game, they'd want the minis. and if they're wrong, they'd absolutely go insane.

I was just pointing out that a lot of gamers would pick up Star Wars regardless. New fans, as well as presumably some of the Star Wars fans (those who like what GW have done). In any case, it would lead to a mass of new sales opportunities.

FFG supposedly have the miniatures rights at the moment, so it will be interesting to see if they do anything with it.

I'm a big fan of Star Wars Miniatures and still play it weekly. Personally I think the current minis is great for a skirmish. But it would be great to see bigger battles and I would love GW to give it a go. But it would need a lot of focus on vehicles so vehicle rules would need to be good. And there would need to be some way of balancing Jedi while still making them powerhouse characters - something I feel Star Wars Minis failed to do.

Personally I'd rather not have yet another funding sink that requires mandatory releases in place of existing core games due to being royally shafted by a contract.

We really don't need another LOTR. Thank you.

...Jedi would be underpowered, Jawas would be available only in Finecast and the tournament scene would be a tedious gridlock of Wookiees, Geonosians and the three-Hutt-spam Tatooine list.

No thanks.

If this were 1978, I think it would be a fine idea.
But Star Wars has just about been milked to death.
How much would you pay for a finecast ewok?

Pacific wrote:Or perhaps 'exclude'?

hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
....
I'm not talking 16-18 yr olds, I'm talking 8-10 year olds that will buy anything star wars.

It's funny to point out, but there were exactly the same kind of arguments before LoTR was released. Perhaps in some ways they were right, in terms of the changes that happened to GW in its wake. Although, that is worthy of a topic all of its own.

Rimmy wrote:you're assuming that the majority I speak of are gamers and not the THRONGS of Star Wars fans. forget the game, they'd want the minis. and if they're wrong, they'd absolutely go insane.

I was just pointing out that a lot of gamers would pick up Star Wars regardless. New fans, as well as presumably some of the Star Wars fans (those who like what GW have done). In any case, it would lead to a mass of new sales opportunities.

oh it would most assuredly sell. no doubt about that.... for a while. My point was that hardcore star wars folk (which vastly outnumber 40K folk) would revolt if the quality wasn't up to their expectations.


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snurl wrote:If this were 1978, I think it would be a fine idea.
But Star Wars has just about been milked to death.
How much would you pay for a finecast ewok?

a Miniature Wicket? all the monies.

Ugavine wrote:FFG supposedly have the miniatures rights at the moment, so it will be interesting to see if they do anything with it.

I'm a big fan of Star Wars Miniatures and still play it weekly. Personally I think the current minis is great for a skirmish. But it would be great to see bigger battles and I would love GW to give it a go. But it would need a lot of focus on vehicles so vehicle rules would need to be good. And there would need to be some way of balancing Jedi while still making them powerhouse characters - something I feel Star Wars Minis failed to do.

After WoTC lost the rights it was up in the air as to who would get it. However if I recall the rights to Star Wars game materials (the contract WoTC lost) included miniatures, RPG books, card games, and so on. FFG already has a Star Wars game up on there site and I'd venture to say we will see more eventually.

I doubt the Star Wars masses have the same QC expectations that GW folk have. We're kinda of a bitchy lot. Star Wars Gdubbers excluded, of course.

Pacific wrote:Or perhaps 'exclude'?

hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
....
I'm not talking 16-18 yr olds, I'm talking 8-10 year olds that will buy anything star wars.

It's funny to point out, but there were exactly the same kind of arguments before LoTR was released. Perhaps in some ways they were right, in terms of the changes that happened to GW in its wake. Although, that is worthy of a topic all of its own.

Rimmy wrote:you're assuming that the majority I speak of are gamers and not the THRONGS of Star Wars fans. forget the game, they'd want the minis. and if they're wrong, they'd absolutely go insane.

I was just pointing out that a lot of gamers would pick up Star Wars regardless. New fans, as well as presumably some of the Star Wars fans (those who like what GW have done). In any case, it would lead to a mass of new sales opportunities.

The bolded portion is what I wanted to chime in on, I totally agree. If done correctly it could be successful, there is a vast market of the youth and adult individuals who enjoy Star Wars.



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Rimmy wrote:

Pacific wrote:Or perhaps 'exclude'?

hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
....
I'm not talking 16-18 yr olds, I'm talking 8-10 year olds that will buy anything star wars.

It's funny to point out, but there were exactly the same kind of arguments before LoTR was released. Perhaps in some ways they were right, in terms of the changes that happened to GW in its wake. Although, that is worthy of a topic all of its own.

Rimmy wrote:you're assuming that the majority I speak of are gamers and not the THRONGS of Star Wars fans. forget the game, they'd want the minis. and if they're wrong, they'd absolutely go insane.

I was just pointing out that a lot of gamers would pick up Star Wars regardless. New fans, as well as presumably some of the Star Wars fans (those who like what GW have done). In any case, it would lead to a mass of new sales opportunities.

oh it would most assuredly sell. no doubt about that.... for a while. My point was that hardcore star wars folk (which vastly outnumber 40K folk) would revolt if the quality wasn't up to their expectations.


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snurl wrote:If this were 1978, I think it would be a fine idea.
But Star Wars has just about been milked to death.
How much would you pay for a finecast ewok?

a Miniature Wicket? all the monies.

Aside from the Finecaste issues (which GW has done a spectacular job with replacements, at least for me) I've enjoyed their quality. After having played MechWarrior, Heroclix, and Star Wars miniatures for a long length of time I think that in comparison GW (and Privateer Press for that matter) have much better quality stuff, but that is to be expected considering the nature of those games.

Star Wars miniature kits would be awesome, and heck they could just try some 'sample' rules that could be used with existing models for play-testing before ever sinking a dime into the actual models. If the response from the testors/other people checking it out is negative, simply don't move forward or rethink/revamp the rules.

Agamemnon2 wrote:...Jedi would be underpowered, Jawas would be available only in Finecast and the tournament scene would be a tedious gridlock of Wookiees, Geonosians and the three-Hutt-spam Tatooine list.

No thanks.

Just make the Generals and Jedi and Sith your warlock/warcaster ala Warmachine.

Done.

malfred wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:...Jedi would be underpowered, Jawas would be available only in Finecast and the tournament scene would be a tedious gridlock of Wookiees, Geonosians and the three-Hutt-spam Tatooine list.

No thanks.

Just make the Generals and Jedi and Sith your warlock/warcaster ala Warmachine.

Done.

That'd probably work too, the At-Ats and stuff like that could be the Jaks but you really miss out on some of the other Star Wars machinery.

Another over-priced tabletop game that I would like to play but rather not break my bank for? Not GW, make it a project for independent retailers like what miniwargaming is doing with dark potential. Rather have people who are interested in making a good game work on it rather than ones that are out to just steal money from your pockets.

kakashir0x wrote:Another over-priced tabletop game that I would like to play but rather not break my bank for? Not GW, make it a project for independent retailers like what miniwargaming is doing with dark potential. Rather have people who are interested in making a good game work on it rather than ones that are out to just steal money from your pockets.

I am all for new gaming experiences that do not break the bank, but I'd also like to get good quality models as well. I am curious to see the first wave of miniatures that MWG gets, if they look awesome then I am sure they will do fine. Same concept for a Star Wars game, whatever company chose to do the miniatures game would need to ensure they are cool looking and of good quality as well.

kakashir0x wrote:Another over-priced tabletop game that I would like to play but rather not break my bank for? Not GW, make it a project for independent retailers like what miniwargaming is doing with dark potential. Rather have people who are interested in making a good game work on it rather than ones that are out to just steal money from your pockets.

QFT

This is what it boils down to for me. I would love to see a Star Wars mini game done right. Good ruleset, 28mm non heroic scale, all the different expanded universe time periods, jedi, sith, the whole shaabang. The player base doesn't bother me, I wouldn't play with the kiddie kiddies if I found them bothersome, and they are plenty of competant enthuisasts in the Star Wars genre.

But the OP asks what if GW made it?? I'm not really interested in paying an arm and a leg for the "best miniatures in the world" whose pricepoint goes up every year when I could pay a third to half the price if the same pieces were milled out by Tamyima, Bandai, or Hasegawa with the better quality where box price escalation isn't an issue. And IMO GWs operation would be way too small for an operation like Star Wars tabletop, especially if it got popular. And what would it do to the other, existing GW lines (because it's not an either or situation for me, the only thing I don't got is time) when it takes on another big project?

Gdub is about average with rules, playtesting, etc.... nothing especially great. I'd like to see better. LTOR has the best template for a SW type game, but even then there are way better rules people.

If Gdub had a specialist section with all its own staff, specifically for a SW game (not taking on any non Lucas side projects) with a facility funded for the operation, with some serious Lucas-staff input and direction then I'd go for it. Amend that, then I'd be the most enthusiastic about it. Short of that I'd rather see some other company, or a joint venture with one company doing the rules and another company doing the miniature line, doing the job. It'd be badass to see an Fantasy Flight / Tamiya mashup.

RatBot wrote:I'd be interested in this game, but not from GW.

Me too. GW would do nothing but fark it up.

Hoot, with Marines, you can just paint them all Storm Trooper, some Orcs as pig faces, and scrap build Java the hut.... Boom, 40k, fantisy, Star wars, Play any rules you like.

If it was a small, skirmish based sort of game, sure, why not? I don't want to have to spend a fortune on it, and I'd like the rules to be simple. Although, to tell the truth, it would probably be simpler to just make it an additional supplement for use with one of Games Workshop's already existing skirmish games.