Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

kronk wrote:If they did a Star Wars skirmish game, the models would be kick ass.

But they wouldn't. It would compete with their existing Sci-Fi game: WH40k.

Yes, but it could be to 40k what LoTR is to Fantasy - a more straightforward game, with a boxset from some famous part of the movies, and with non-heroically scales miniatures which represent their movie counterparts.

There might also be customers who just want to collect the minis, rather than playing the game, as I believe some people do for LoTR.

Norn King wrote:Lets face it, GW will never in a million years get the rights to Star Wars.

Yes, but you could have said the same thing about LoTR, especially considering that the Tolkein estate is notoriously tight about handing out licenses.

Apparently there was a 28mm sci-fi game in the works many years ago, and Mike McVey sculpted a couple of Storm Troopers (they occasionally appear on ebay for ridiculous amounts).
For whatever reason it never came to fruition. I think a SW game these days would be unlikely, especially considering how averse to risk and new games GW has been over recent years, but I wouldn't say it is an impossibility.

Given the profit margins that both Lucas and GW want, nobody would be able to afford the minis.

I have zero interest in star wars and zero interest in ever giving GW any more of my money.

You think people hate Ultramarines, just wait till every battle you fight is Imperial Stormtroopers.

Mmm. Finecast Annakin Skywalker.... I'm meeeeellllltiiiinnnng! Aiiieeee.

feth that.

Lol finecast JarJar with air bubbles in his floppy ear. Something I never thought I'd say.

aka_mythos wrote: GW vs Hasbro, GW can get away with charging higher prices which makes all the difference and the fact that its in the hobby market allows them to focus quality control effort on the models over other things like "painting".

GW quality control.... AHAHAHAH

That's the funniest thing I've read all week!

On the OP, GW makes lousy games aimed at little kids, I wouldn't be the little bit interested in any SW game made by them.

Wow we got about half a page before the GW haters derailed the thread. *Golf clap for Dakka*

I would love to build an army of Mandalorian Supercommandos. I think a Star Wars skirmish game who ever did it would be great.

wizardofgore wrote:I have had enough star wars, and most of their products are a little lack luster to me. I will pass.

If you are talking about toys at Wal-Mart, sure, in terms of table tops we've had what 1 card game, 1 miniature game, 1 star ship miniature game, and 1 card/construction game, that is it to my knowledge and all of those were done through WoTC and they destroyed 3 out of the 4 (only the miniatures lived for any time). When compared to MTG and YuGiOh those games crank out 2-4+ sets a year, far more crap than SW ever did game wise and they have been doing it longer than most games out right now, particularly MTG.

GW bombards us with new shiz all the time whether it be 'new' models (second wave stuff, fine cast, etc), new codeces, new paints, new 'new' new old stuff and so on. I'd say I get more tired of seeing the 'new' that isn't all that new (or is unwanted) in terms of GW than I ever have with Star Wars stuff. (Pleased with the new paints but not with the change of names, they change something small, make a big deal about it, and charge more. Or they have something 'new' that is broken, etc etc.)

Jstncloud wrote:

wizardofgore wrote:I have had enough star wars, and most of their products are a little lack luster to me. I will pass.

If you are talking about toys at Wal-Mart, sure, in terms of table tops we've had what 1 card game, 1 miniature game, 1 star ship miniature game, and 1 card/construction game, that is it to my knowledge and all of those were done through WoTC and they destroyed 3 out of the 4 (only the miniatures lived for any time).

There was of course West End Games Star Wars Miniature Battles, and Star Warriors Fighter Combat. There was also the CCG by Decipher.

Jar Jar

WS BS S T W A LD Sv
1 1 1 1 10 1 10 2++

Special rules:
Independent Character, Sigh, Eternal Warrior

Sigh: Jar Jar gets to reroll his 2++ until he makes it. No matter how hard we tried we couldn't find a way to kill him off.

spaceelf wrote:

Jstncloud wrote:

wizardofgore wrote:I have had enough star wars, and most of their products are a little lack luster to me. I will pass.

If you are talking about toys at Wal-Mart, sure, in terms of table tops we've had what 1 card game, 1 miniature game, 1 star ship miniature game, and 1 card/construction game, that is it to my knowledge and all of those were done through WoTC and they destroyed 3 out of the 4 (only the miniatures lived for any time).

There was of course West End Games Star Wars Miniature Battles, and Star Warriors Fighter Combat. There was also the CCG by Decipher.

When did they come out, if they are considerably old that would be a big reason why I had overlooked em (didn't know about em >.<. Regardless though there has not been any really popular Star Wars games since WoTC's miniatures and even those were still kind of low key. I'd be overjoyed to get my hands on a table top game, even if GW did not do them, let FFG or Privateer Press have a crack at it, I'd still be game to give the game a shot.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Hückleberry wrote:Jar Jar

WS BS S T W A LD Sv
1 1 1 1 1 1 10 2++

Special rules:
Independent Character, Sigh, Eternal Warrior

Sigh: Jar Jar gets to reroll his 2++ until he makes it. No matter how hard we tried we couldn't find a way to kill him off.

In the miniatures there was a Jar Jar that had a good chance of re-directing a hit to another model (friend or foe). When I played with him I'd run him into the middle of enemy stuff and let them kill themselves trying to take him out, he was definitely an annoying turd.

I love Star Wars, but no. Not from GW.

Knight Models already make great-quality Star Wars miniatures at rather high prices. If GW got their hands on the IP, I'd appreciate tons of plastic Battle Droids and Stormtroopers, but it's just become the Herohammer that hurt the original LotR game.

Absolutionis wrote:Knight Models already make great-quality Star Wars miniatures at rather high prices. If GW got their hands on the IP, I'd appreciate tons of plastic Battle Droids and Stormtroopers, but it's just become the Herohammer that hurt the original LotR game.

If they did it right I'd like to think it would be balanced (course we are talking about GW here). Back in WoTC's SWMiniatures there were army options that did not even rely on super awesome beat stick Jedi/Sith. One of my favorite armies utilized mostly clone troopers/republic commandos, a sergeant, Yoda, and R2-D2. Granted Yoda was in it, but he gave all of the troops re-rolls on saves, one of my other units gave them all evade (50/50 save basically, and with a re-roll, awesome). So having some HQs that have synergy makes for cooler games rather than a beat stick with fodder around him.

<---Goes to Walmart, buys Darth Maul toy. $7.00
<---Goes to GW, buy Darth Maul mini. $16.95

I'm just sayin!

MightyGodzilla wrote:<---Goes to Walmart, buys Darth Maul toy. $7.00
<---Goes to GW, buy Darth Maul mini. $16.95

I'm just sayin!

uhh according to Knight Mini's, their Darth Maul mini is almost $20. GW would definitely be higher than $17.

it would be interesting.

the biggest problem would be if they got it wrong, the people would revolt. too much loss for them. plus getting the licensing rights? doubtful.

still would be fun though.

thinking out loud here:

Imperial Forces

Rebel Forces

Outer Rim Forces

Mercenaries/Bounty Hunters

has potnetial. and thats only with the original SW series.

get into Clone Wars and you have several era's.

I think the hardest thing, would be having someone do a Wookie army, or a Gungan Army, fighting the Imperial Forces. 2 different time lines. how would that work?

It wouldn't even have to be strictly skirmish; fighting the battles of Geonosis, Kashyyk (not sure on the spelling), Hoth, maybe Endor?

GW wouldn't necessarily slaughter it either, I agree something like LOTR would be pretty cool...

Rimmy wrote:
the biggest problem would be if they got it wrong, the people would revolt.

Yet the vast amount of customers haven't revolted over the perennial price rises, the poor quality control of Finecast, the trade embargo, the state of WD, the poor state of rules updates or the secrecy policy. GW could release a plastic schlong with a crudely cut-out picture of Mark Hamil's face on the front, charge $50 for it, and it would still sell in droves.

It's funny that comparisons were drawn between Apple and GW in terms of their control over the market place, but in actual fact I think far more striking are the similarities of their respective consumer cultures. Like Apple, GW have been genuinely innovative within the market place of the last 25 years, and brought wargaming to the 'masses' in the same way Apple brought their own innovations in the form of MP3, computers and smart phones. They have an enormous amount of positive reputation from most fans because of their previous contributions - leading to almost a form of myopia by their hardcore fanbase regarding current releases. In the same way that some Apple Fans quite happily applied gaffa-tape to their $400 iPhones to stop them losing signal (while turning their noses up at Samsung's offerings), so to do fans extol the virtues of the wonderful new Finecast, a genuine step forward in the industry, laughing insanely at the amazing quality of their miniature, yet failing to look down and see its melted face.

So I think despite the problems listed above, I think it would take a few, far more damaging events for GW's public perception to swing towards the negative. I have no doubt at all that if Star Wars were to be released, whether good, bad, or just mediocre, it would sell in droves.

You'd get a massive influx of younger gamers who would
eventually quit due to the massive griping of older gamers.

Rimmy wrote:

MightyGodzilla wrote:<---Goes to Walmart, buys Darth Maul toy. $7.00
<---Goes to GW, buy Darth Maul mini. $16.95

I'm just sayin!

uhh according to Knight Mini's, their Darth Maul mini is almost $20. GW would definitely be higher than $17.

it would be interesting.

the biggest problem would be if they got it wrong, the people would revolt. too much loss for them. plus getting the licensing rights? doubtful.

still would be fun though.

thinking out loud here:

Imperial Forces

Rebel Forces

Outer Rim Forces

Mercenaries/Bounty Hunters

has potnetial. and thats only with the original SW series.

get into Clone Wars and you have several era's.

I think the hardest thing, would be having someone do a Wookie army, or a Gungan Army, fighting the Imperial Forces. 2 different time lines. how would that work?

I am quoting myself after bolding a portion:

Jstncloud wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm not a fan of anything Star Wars related aside from the six movies and Jedi Power Battles (the only non-movie thing that didn't totally blow).

Read the Thrawn Triology (Timothy Zhan) or Shatterpoint?

Murdock129 wrote:I know everyone is complaining about GW because of the broken 40K and Fantasy rules, but their overlooking the fact that if they made this it'd more likely be closer to the ruleset for LOTR, which is actually quite good all around

I'd probably play this, give us X-Wings and A-Wings and Tie Fighters on flying bases, excellent models of everything from Jabba the Hutt to Storm Troopers, to Ewoks to Twi'Leks, and a balanced ruleset and I'll be happy

LOTR had skirmishes possible, but it also had the ability for huge battles with Mumakil, the Watcher in the Water and Balrogs and so on, I'm sure Star Wars could be pulled off just as well

To be completely honest, I think GW are in rules terms better with LOTR in part because the rules aren't constantly being updated, and all the rules for the armies are basically in one big book

So I say to GW, go ahead, make a Star Wars game in the same way with one big book and all kinds of models, and as many of the factions as possible (Empire, Rebel Alliance, Jabba's forces, Bounty Hunters, Trade Federation and so on)

There is so much in the extended lore (as well as the core stuff) that they could pull from as well.
Empire
Rebels
Mercenaries (Bounty Hunters, Smugglers, Neutral Parties)
Mandalorians (Old and New)
Old Republic
Grand Republic (before order 66)
New Republic
Yuuzhan Vong
Sith (Old Republic Sith, New Republic Sith)

Each of those has a plethora of named characters, vehicles, troops, equipment, lore, and so on.

Not to mention the plethora of campaign books that could be made to mirror these armies (much like how ForgeWorld does the Imperial Armour books).

I think it would be a blast honestly.

The interesting thing is that Fantasy Flight Games does GW's RPG books if I am not mistaken and if I recall they got the rights to produce Star Wars games/RPG source books now seeing as WoTC lost/let the contract go.

Pacific wrote:

Rimmy wrote:
the biggest problem would be if they got it wrong, the people would revolt.

Yet the vast amount of customers haven't revolted over the perennial price rises, the poor quality control of Finecast, the trade embargo, the state of WD, the poor state of rules updates or the secrecy policy. GW could release a plastic schlong with a crudely cut-out picture of Mark Hamil's face on the front, charge $50 for it, and it would still sell in droves.

It's funny that comparisons were drawn between Apple and GW in terms of their control over the market place, but in actual fact I think far more striking are the similarities of their respective consumer cultures. Like Apple, GW have been genuinely innovative within the market place of the last 25 years, and brought wargaming to the 'masses' in the same way Apple brought their own innovations in the form of MP3, computers and smart phones. They have an enormous amount of positive reputation from most fans because of their previous contributions - leading to almost a form of myopia by their hardcore fanbase regarding current releases. In the same way that some Apple Fans quite happily applied gaffa-tape to their $400 iPhones to stop them losing signal (while turning their noses up at Samsung's offerings), so to do fans extol the virtues of the wonderful new Finecast, a genuine step forward in the industry, laughing insanely at the amazing quality of their miniature, yet failing to look down and see its melted face.

So I think despite the problems listed above, I think it would take a few, far more damaging events for GW's public perception to swing towards the negative. I have no doubt at all that if Star Wars were to be released, whether good, bad, or just mediocre, it would sell in droves.

you're assuming that the majority I speak of are gamers and not the THRONGS of Star Wars fans. forget the game, they'd want the minis. and if they're wrong, they'd absolutely go insane.

No, I prefer the Warhammer universe.

I still have nightmares of the old Star Wars Card Game.....

Anyways if gdub ever got the rights I can forsee a few things

1. Their Contract will force them to use a different scale (like LotR)
2. People will at first have a frenzy over it but it will fall out of favor even with good rules (like LotR)
3. GW will make some spin off gameplay a few years later (like LotR)
4. When no one is looking GW slashes the number of models while simultaneously raising prices (like LotR)

No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
They would end up appealing to even smaller rug rats who have no business and it would delude the hobby with people who dont know how to do anything.

hotsauceman1 wrote:No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
They would end up appealing to even smaller rug rats who have no business and it would delude the hobby with people who dont know how to do anything.

you do understand there are ponies in your avatar and signature right? how can you exclude the young when you find pleasure in their things?

Because they dont cater to me. If i find kid's entertainment enjoyable i dont delude it. it is the other way around though.

Rimmy wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
They would end up appealing to even smaller rug rats who have no business and it would delude the hobby with people who dont know how to do anything.

you do understand there are ponies in your avatar and signature right? how can you exclude the young when you find pleasure in their things?

Not to go off topic but I'd suggest refraining from questioning anything on ponies. It does not end well on the internet

hotsauceman1 wrote:No, I would not like it. This may sound weird but, it would ruin the hobby.
They would end up appealing to even smaller rug rats who have no business and it would delude the hobby with people who dont know how to do anything.

As unfortunately as it is to say, if they do not pull in 'new' customers they will die off. Many gamers started young, if they were excluded then they would be doing something else with their time now. I cannot stand dealing with youngsters, but in 4-6 years when they are 16-18 those same kids will now me on the brink of adulthood and maturity (hopefully).

It sounds like bad business to not continuously try to expand your market 'especially' to a market that you want to be loyal.

(Not that I agree with catering to children, but lets face it, many of us started young as well).