Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Why no love for Trayzen? I think a scoring CCB would be hilarious.

Happygrunt wrote:Why no love for Trayzen? I think a scoring CCB would be hilarious.

Because they didn't give him a weapon! I mean, literally! He flies around poking people's eyes with his fingers like Moe in the Three Stooges, it is hilarious. But all you've gotta do is just hold your hand up like a blade in front of your eyes and it's like, "nyuk nyuk nyuk!"

Then when he dies he body-swaps with one of your CCB's who DO have a scythe, that's bad too.

Randall Turner wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Why no love for Trayzen? I think a scoring CCB would be hilarious.

Because they didn't give him a weapon! I mean, literally! He flies around poking people's eyes with his fingers like Moe in the Three Stooges, it is hilarious. But all you've gotta do is just hold your hand up like a blade in front of your eyes and it's like, "nyuk nyuk nyuk!"

Then when he dies he body-swaps with one of your CCB's who DO have a scythe, that's bad too.

No scythe, but if you fly over that ork boy mob and kill just one boy, then just sit back and watch the fireworks. He doesn't kill tanks, he wrecks infantry.

No, it really doesn't work that way at ALL! The "Empathic Obliterator" works if you kill someone in close combat. A sweep attack isn't a close combat attack, it's a *sweep attack", the obliterator doesn't go off!

I mean, I'm not trying to be all mean and grumpy to Trayzen, but you did ask why we don't take him. This is why.

I don't know, I've seen Trazyn table my gaunts and stealers before. He wrecks the faces of spammed low save units and wrecks them hard.

He very well may, Kain. But if he does it by sweeping attacks, he's cheating. And again, that's why we don't take him. He doesn't fit with the CCB, which is a really good piece of gear. I can see him being effective against horde armies, to be sure - but mounted up he's a bit on the useless side, and unfortunately for you and the other horde types right now the tough meta is mech spam - we don't want to take a Necron HQ unit that's not useful in that environment.

5 out of 6 of the special characters are worth taking in specific lists. In an apoc game it's worth taking all 5 all of the time.

Trazyn doesn't work in a CCB, but sure would work well in a unit of lychguard. People also forget he has mindshackle scarabs.

The traveler has phaeron and a tachyon arrow. Forget the barge, stick him in a 10 block of gauss immortals or a 20 block of warriors and hold the center of the board.

Immotekh & Orikan are both best used in large games, and downright broken in apoc.

Zandrekh is tough as nails with his 2+/3++ saves, and comes with a res orb. The no scythe no mindshackle is a bummer. I think he is needed in a scarab farm if the scarabs have any plans on assaulting T4 units.

Obyron is fantastic when used with Zandrekh as a 3rd HQ. It costs 60 points for a veiltek, and an overlord with a scyth costs 100. Obyron costs 160...

Illuminator...meh even in an apoc game where he is upgrading a unit of pyrrhian eternals meh. He's about 50 points worth of lancetek with an extra wound and attack, so the upgrades to the augmented unit cost about 5 points a model for 10 immortals, or 2.5 points a model for 20 warriors. The only use I can find for him is alternative use for his model, maybe as a regular lancetek, or use his body for a scythe lord and his arms on a warrior for a lance tek. Great model with lots of good uses, but a terribly over priced special character.

Anrakyr has Phaeron? i thought only Imhotekh had that......

azazel the cat wrote:
My guess is because of the fluff explanation, wherein the Destroyers -Destroyer Lords included- all have some sort of killcrazy malware. (they must've been going to some questionable places in the Webway) As a result, I'm guessing that they are no longer fit to take Royal Courts.

From a gameplay explanation, I think it's because they would be so ridiculously good that nobody would take anything else. Ever. And nobody would play anything but Wraithwings.

yeah to both, which is unfortunate. Perhaps having an overlord upgrade which would give them a destroyer body but not the prefered enemy on everything. That way you get the movement and the court, but not make it autoinclude. It could also just be making them jump infantry, like the praetorians, somethign to give them movement.

Still at least you have a standard 12" move HQ. DE is sorely lacking an HQ on a bike, board, or with haemi wings.... It would be nice to have somethign other than the baron....
The newcron book is more complete than the DE one and it makes me sad.

Praxiss wrote:Anrakyr has Phaeron? i thought only Imhotekh had that......

Anrakyr most certainly does NOT have Phaeron!
Only Imotekh and Trazyn come with it naturally.
(and neither of them are great choices to be sticking in a large group of shooters, so are kind of a waste. If only Zahndrekh had it, ah, the combos we could play...)

Lukus83 wrote:My own experiences of Necron IC's is pretty limited to naked CC Barge Overlords. I would rather have more boys than toys so saving the points on Weave, MSS and Phase Shifter seems appropriate. Of course, if points allowed then they would be the first things to add.

The mobility (no need to ever go less than 24"), resiliency (AV13, 4+ cover saves and symbiotic repair) and damage output for their price is just just great. Want to Open up transports in the movement phase with no smoke saves? Yes please!

Experience has also shown me that CC Barges combined with Doom Scythes is a brutal combo. Both deal insane damage and need to be dealt with quickly. Chances are though that your opponent can't deal with them quicky enough. Add Wraiths to the mix and you have a solid core to a very aggressive list.

i too only took naked Olords in a barge. but now i swear by weave, MSS and shifter. he can go toe to toe with any CC monster and have agood chance of not just lasting...but actually winning. one game my Olord took on 2 Khorne daemon princes and lasted 4 player turns! this gave the rest of my army enough time to redploy and beat the rest of his army.

Mainly I use Zahndrek/Obyron in higher points games, combined with a OLord with barge kit (MSS,Scythe, SW,PS).

I really like Obyron, but the fact he can't get a court is a bummer, otherwise I would use him more.

The normal OLord is so configurable and useful that it isn't often I have the urge to use a special character in lower point games.

+1 to Rocdocta2 : the OLord out of the barge with MSS,SW,PS,Scythe is a monster. Fantastic.

My favorite IC is Trazyn so I can capture objectives with my lychguard. I normally add in another lord and a cryptek (storm or tremor) to have something to shoot with and can hurt things wanting to assault me (Lighting Field with two MSS in a group just wrecks anything trying to assault the unit)

After him I use the storm lord for night fighting + lucky lightning so I can bring in my wraiths and other CC units close (One game lightning popped over half the vehicles in a dark eldar army in the first two turns)

Scoring Lychstar!

I have GOT to try that.

Edits to remove double post