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@scipio.au

I doubt Mantic Would do that with editing the current goals, the only thing i think they would do is make more stretch goals ( hopefully with more mini's and better extras).


About the shipping, What I read on the Mantic Facebook is that it is free for USA and Europe,

But if you live out of them places it is about $15 ( what is cheaper then other kickstarter projects.) but someone asked about ti again on the facebook and they said they would see if they can get it cheaper
(My info about the shipping is not %100 sure but its what i read)

No kroot, way I read it the rules for the 1.0 edition come june/july won't be free anymore, that's just for the beta they've been running last year or so. so you're actually getting something worth >$0

@ThomasPolder

What I think they are doing is making that the rulebook (pdf $20) comes with the full rules and concept art, while they will still give free rules away but maybe shortend?

As in the video it states The mantic rules will always be free.

On Monday they'll be adding Twilight Kin and Goblins options to the lower level pledge options.

Which will get more from me as to prep for the Adepticon '13 tourney.

..oh. well, mistake on my part it seems. sorry.

ThomasPolder wrote:..oh. well, mistake on my part it seems. sorry.

Hey!
No worries man

ThomasPolder wrote:No kroot, way I read it the rules for the 1.0 edition come june/july won't be free anymore, that's just for the beta they've been running last year or so. so you're actually getting something worth >$0

The old Mhorgoth battleset comes with a free 2nd edition rulebook, and in June we have to pay for a 1st edition rulebook?
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Getting-Started/Product/Mhorgoth-Rising-Fantasy-Battleset.html
The kickstarter ends 24th June, and on 25th June you can get a printed rulebook with the names of all backers in it?
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Getting-Started/Product/Kings-of-War-Rulebook.html
They should work on making their lies at least consistent.

If they did one for Warpath.... I'd be so into this.

Kroothawk wrote:

ThomasPolder wrote:No kroot, way I read it the rules for the 1.0 edition come june/july won't be free anymore, that's just for the beta they've been running last year or so. so you're actually getting something worth >$0

The old Mhorgoth battleset comes with a free 2nd edition rulebook, and in June we have to pay for a 1st edition rulebook?
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Getting-Started/Product/Mhorgoth-Rising-Fantasy-Battleset.html
The kickstarter ends 24th June, and on 25th June you can get a printed rulebook with the names of all backers in it?
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Getting-Started/Product/Kings-of-War-Rulebook.html
They should work on making their lies at least consistent.

@ Kroot, you do realise that this is the 3rd edition of rules? this is the final one the first two was alpha and beta rules basically,
also if you look at the kickstarter page is that it says delivery is july meaning they will mostly be seprate limited edition rulebooks(im not sure this is my take on it)

crapshot wrote:@ThomasPolder

What I think they are doing is making that the rulebook (pdf $20) comes with the full rules and concept art, while they will still give free rules away but maybe shortend?

As in the video it states The mantic rules will always be free.

This. Since second edition, the free download has always been black and white, and shortened containing just the rules and army lists compared to the full-colour rulebook with pictures and background.

The electronic download in this case, will probably be full-colour containing the background, artwork and everything else, compared to the bare-bones free download.

Yes, the full-colour .pdf download alone isn't all that great to get for $20 while a more basic black and white free version of it is floating around *and* you get the souped-up .pdf version for free anyway when you donate $100+.. which is why hardly anyone has picked that pledge amount.

@Compel
Theres a chance for anything

I've wondered about that - and about the fact that the digital rulebook isn't included in all of the pledge levels. My guess is that the digital rulebook they're giving away here is a full digital rulebook, as opposed to the downloadable on their website?

Kroot, you are getting on my nerves, really.

At least try to understand what you are reading...

The Basic Version of the rules is always free.

What you pay for is the Electronic Hardcover Version.

@Scipio.au
Hmms, To be honest im not sure, but i think they will most likely include it( dont take my word on that!)

Ill send them a msg tomorrow and see what they say

The new rules coming soon will include magic and magic item rules...so, not the same animal at all compared to the current v2 rule set.

agnosto wrote:The new rules coming soon will include magic and magic item rules...so, not the same animal at all compared to the current v2 rule set.

Also the Siege rules!

crapshot wrote:@scipio.au
I doubt Mantic Would do that with editing the current goals, the only thing i think they would do is make more stretch goals ( hopefully with more mini's and better extras).
About the shipping, What I read on the Mantic Facebook is that it is free for USA and Europe,
But if you live out of them places it is about $15 ( what is cheaper then other kickstarter projects.) but someone asked about ti again on the facebook and they said they would see if they can get it cheaper
(My info about the shipping is not %100 sure but its what i read)

Hm, is it on the actual Kickstarter page? I've been looking and not found anything. Great that it's on Facebook, but something like the postage for your Kickstarter project really needs to be up there on your actual Kickstarter page in big letters.

They should also offer free shipping for pledges over a certain amount - just like they do for regular sales on their webstore.

@ Scipio.au

This is what it says on the kickstarter page just above "Special Extras"

"Note: $15 Postage will be payable on all pledges made outside of US and Europe."

But! im sure if more people put these ideas on there facebook wall they will consider them ,

I do get what you mean Scipio about the shipping, i think pledges over about $100-$150 should get free shipping

They've apparently been listening to feedback and making changes based off of it- that sounds like a really good thing to suggest to them.

RiTides wrote:They've apparently been listening to feedback and making changes based off of it- that sounds like a really good thing to suggest to them.

Yeah they have,
It was like the Abyssal Dwarf, Twilight Kin and Goblin's quite a few people requested for them Because they already had Dwarfs Ect,
I think its great how they are doing it, They love the community and they give what they want

Soo if any of you have any ideas or anything that you think they should do pop it down on there facebook wall.

Also Honestly I think they didn't think it would go this high. (I think thats why they are kinda not as prepared but im sure they will make some great changes.)

Duncan_Idaho wrote:What you pay for is the Electronic Hardcover Version.

So if you pay 20+$, you get the electronic hardcover version, as you assume.
Then what is the electronic hardcover version that you only get by paying 100+$ and with 15.000$ total pledges (first stretchgoal)?
See?

The so-called kickstarter text is so full of false claims and promisses, that not even Mantic is able to keep track of them. Guess that's why Ronnie is so nervous on the video. With that body language you don't need a lie detector.

Kroothawk wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:What you pay for is the Electronic Hardcover Version.

So if you pay 20+$, you get the electronic hardcover version, as you assume.
Then what is the electronic hardcover version that you only get by paying 100+$ and with 15.000$ total pledges (first stretchgoal)?
See?

The so-called kickstarter text is so full of false claims and promisses, that not even Mantic is able to keep track of them. Guess that's why Ronnie is so nervous on the video. With that body language you don't need a lie detector.

The over $100 one is that you get the pledge from the champion and soldier,
There saying as a extra they given the Full PDF version as a added bonus,
whats wrong with that, whats the false claims

And also have you ever tried to make a decent video while trying to launch a new army? with this its harder then you think
where is the lies?
To be honest Kroot, I think your here to just try to attempt to damage their name by making our there liers by no means they are not.

^ Kroot is Mantics #1 fan, his constant posts ensure that this thread remains highly visible as the thread gets bumped up to the top of the page.

You can buy the hardback .pdf for $20, or get it for free when you pledge $100 or more.

Kroothawk wrote:So if you pay 20+$, you get the electronic hardcover version, as you assume.
Then what is the electronic hardcover version that you only get by paying 100+$ and with 15.000$ total pledges (first stretchgoal)?
See?

The so-called kickstarter text is so full of false claims and promisses, that not even Mantic is able to keep track of them. Guess that's why Ronnie is so nervous on the video. With that body language you don't need a lie detector.

I don't know what to say really, other than that kind of comment really doesn't even need or deserve a reply.

How does 'crossed the line' sound ? I have to be honest, your comments are more than a little unsettling and bizarre at the moment, and I really can't understand why you continue to post in this thread and the others like it.

OK,

I think all the insults and accusations really need to stop.

A piece of advice - if you REALLY hate a certain company and/or its products, say your piece ONCE, and then move on if you don't have anything else to say.

How does 'crossed the line' sound ? I have to be honest, your comments are more than a little unsettling and bizarre at the moment, and I really can't understand why you continue to post in this thread and the others like it.

Agreed. It's just getting very, very strange now.

A piece of advice - if you REALLY hate a certain company and/or its products, say your piece ONCE, and then move on if you don't have anything else to say.

This is very good advice. You've said your piece, and now you're not really making any real coherent contributions to this conversation. We understand that you don't like what they are doing, you've made your point.

The electronic version is the 3rd edition of the rule set, the hardback edition. The free rules always available on the website will be a small QuickStart rule set like PP puts in their boxes. I really don't see the darned confusion here. It just smacks of someone trying to poison the well. Thankfully a mod has stepped in.

I thought I'd Put this out there
Guys its best to watch the video it reinforces the facts and what they want to do,

just to avoid any confusion.

crapshot wrote:@ Scipio.au
This is what it says on the kickstarter page just above "Special Extras"
"Note: $15 Postage will be payable on all pledges made outside of US and Europe."

But! im sure if more people put these ideas on there facebook wall they will consider them ,

I do get what you mean Scipio about the shipping, i think pledges over about $100-$150 should get free shipping

Ah, thanks for finding that. I've often found shipping costs on KS to be in a more obvious place than sandwiched between a bunch of other stuff in the main column.


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Kroothawk wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:What you pay for is the Electronic Hardcover Version.

So if you pay 20+$, you get the electronic hardcover version, as you assume.
Then what is the electronic hardcover version that you only get by paying 100+$ and with 15.000$ total pledges (first stretchgoal)?
See?

The so-called kickstarter text is so full of false claims and promisses, that not even Mantic is able to keep track of them. Guess that's why Ronnie is so nervous on the video. With that body language you don't need a lie detector.

Dude, you're starting to lose it.

It looks (to me) like the first level is that you get an E-copy of the full rules, and then for the second + you get a hardcover instead of the e-copy, which they then drop back in again at $100+ in an attempt to "add value".

So from the kickstarter it looks like they've taken the feedback from people and will now be offering a Goblin army in there. Now we're talking turkey.

The Ogre concept art looks great. Very retro style, and with ripped muscles not flab. Should do very well.

Decided that my Werewolves will be Vargheists instead. Them leaping over the board can count as flying.

Good to see this doing well. Hope it allows them to bring a lot of projects forward so we can have even more stuff. What it does allow me to do now is to have goblins to pair with my Rackham Orcs. I loved the very old style 80's goblins, and feel bad that they lost their character along the way. Now I get to have them once again without paying huge sums on ebay to get them.