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Ryan_A wrote:

Blacksails wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:
KR is better. Yes battlefoam is more expensive, but it is worse than KR.

There are some of us who don't think in completely black and white terms. KR is not better than BF, in the same way BF is not better than KR. I have a KR case and a BF case and my BF case is hands down a better product. That's my experience and 0.02$, just as yours is that KR is a better product. Your opinion is not fact and stating it as such does not make it so.

No, it really is a better product. KR does its job much better than battlefoam, it protects the models better and its modularity is supreme. While BF is a more expensive foam and has many positives compared to KR, the positives are not favorable for protecting miniatures.

Lets be utilitarian here, KR has many more important aspects of model protection than BF, though BF is an exellent product, and they both do their job supremely, KR does have a few advantages that bring it over the top compared to BF (I won't list these advantages and comparisons, they've been done several times in this thread), but don't be fooled, THERE IS A BETTER PRODUCT, in EVERY comparison. Lets be honest, one does the job it is designed to do much better. SURE there are scenarios in which BF is better, but WHAT MATTERS, is BY IN LARGE FOR THE MOST PART, which one is better? The answer is KR.

Well, I'll continue to disagree. I prefer the much sturdier and often custom cut BattleFoam. Their canvas bags are VASTLY superior to the Kaisers or the Portable Warfares or the Sabols, all of which are glorified lunch boxes/coolers. The BattleFoam bags are reinforced. I have no interest in any of the aluminum boxes as A) I've read more than a few accounts of hinges becoming defective and B) they're only accessible by taking all the trays out at once.

I'm tying to figure out in which if these scenarios you refer to is KR so superior to BattleFoam. Battle foam is plenty modular, no less so than KR. Having boxes doesn't make it any more modular. Battlefoams canvas bags are, again, much more durable than any other on the market and, oh yeah, come with a lifetime warranty if they were to rip (which I've never seen or heard of).

As to Romeo being "a douche:" simply put, he isn't. He's a bit loud and a bit in your face, but he genuinely cares about his customers and the gaming market, and is a really nice dude in person. And that's not just while he's trying to sell you something.

All the capital letters really convinced me, thanks!

They're both very good products. Battlefoam is more expensive and Romeo... well, there's more than enough muddled fact and opinion about him out there, and I don't need to repeat it. If you want to see how deep that rabbit hole goes, you can dig around on Google.

Frankly, I go with KR. It's cheaper, still a very good product, there's no negative PR to speak of, they support tournaments and the larger gaming community, and they even sponsor my favorite 40k podcast; The Independent Characters. I've never been disappointed with any purchase I've made from them.

cincydooley wrote:Having boxes doesn't make it any more modular.

But that's exactly what does make it more modular, surely?

Further to my previous post here I've been researching into the new KR Dropzone Commander boxes - when my army expands I can just buy one of those boxes (with customised trays to fit my army), then drop it into my bag whenever I'm playing.

Ryan_A wrote:+1 (like the eighth person to agree) with ArbitorIan. What he is saying is making complete sense and its true.

I hate to say it at this point I think Loki is just saying whatever he can to make himself not feel bad about buying an inferior product for more money.

You think wrong. I simply see no real difference between swapping Packs of foam trays in and out of a case to individual trays. Each have their drawbacks and benefits. Personally, I prefer swapping individual trays, packs makes no sense to me unless your army never changes. And inferior product? Yeah, have fun thinking that. I could easily Turn your overly defensive argument back on you the same way, but it doesn't do the thread much good.

Swapping trays of models is going to happen with any case you buy - if it's a major selling point to you, you need to consider if you want to swap them in groups for KR or individually for other brands.

The boxes are a nice feature - sure you are going to swap trays around within the boxes (and of course you can with KR), but depending on how organised you are it might be nice to have a row of boxes that are labled Ork infantry, Ork vehicules, Space Marines, Space wolves, etc. rather than looking a stack of foam looking for the tray of burnas that you know are in there somewhere. The cardboard boxes also feel like a slightly better storage solution, as you have some protection for the foam without having to buy more transport bags.

I have a KR double backpack myself which seems quite good and flexible, I am by no means a high standard painter, so I probably wouldn't notice if paint got slightly rubbed, and I am in the UK (not sure whether it makes much of a difference, but KR seem cheaper in sterling terms.)

You do however need to workout which solution will fit your army better. Battle foam have a good website where you can see what you will get, and know that it will fit, KR requires a little bit more transalation into their tray numbering system. This is quite intuitive once you get it, and has been helped by thier "what fits" page. My advice on KR is get half trays (more flexibility), and realise that there are two groups of trays the thirds (3s and 5s - the 5s being twice as big so 2/3rd of a case height) and the quarters (2s and 4s - i.e. halves and quarters) and you cant mix them in the same stack.


TLDR - I got KR and am happy with it.

That's another thing that stopped me getting a KR case - they're cryptic tray system. I looked at the case and tray pages for half an hour and couldn't figure it out. Went to battlefoams site and within a few minutes knew the case size I wanted, what initial load out and what laser cut trays I'd want for my Nids and Vampire Counts. Neither of which are an easily transportable army.

I bought a set of KR cases for my various armies, and I'm very satisfied of it. No experience with other cases (except GW cases, which were really taking too much space)

This will be in line with ArbitratorIan comments, but I think the main advantage is that you essentially buy
- a single bag (in my case a size 3 bag)
- various custom cardboard boxes for the models (11 boxes to be precise)

Say I want to play my tyranids, then I just put the 3 tyranid boxes in the bag and I'm ready.
The swap is really fast and easy, and I find it more convenient to swap boxes than trays (especially when loaded with metal models).

The Boxes outside the bag are really easy to store, as they are rectangular.

Adapting the foam trays/boxes to your various models takes time, but I find it worth it.

Many good arguments for both cases here. The only argument that makes me shake my head is this:

"Which company is a better solution?"

"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

The Battlefoam prices start to look much better when I realized that ordering a 'custom loadout' bag can also include at least 5 custom trays. The custom trays being one of the biggest values of Battlefoam and some of their competitors, really.

I'm considering picking up a Pack GO at some point, and realized that it's basically 5 custom trays at list price (and the custom trays are mcuhc ooler than pluck foam,a s wella s a bit more space efficient if designed right) with a bag for $20 or so.

Still a luxury item, though. I would never think less of a gamer that used a GW case, converted toolbox, etc.... Although I might suggest upgrading if their solution is too cumbersome.

d-usa wrote:Many good arguments for both cases here. The only argument that makes me shake my head is this:

"Which company is a better solution?"

"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

It's a valid reason for making the decision who to buy from. Do/will you support the people who run/own the company?

12thRonin wrote:

d-usa wrote:Many good arguments for both cases here. The only argument that makes me shake my head is this:

"Which company is a better solution?"

"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

It's a valid reason for making the decision who to buy from. Do/will you support the people who run/own the company?

If you say so. What it isn't is a valid response to the question. Your personal opinion on the owner of the company has ZERO bearing on the quality of the product.

For example, I happened to think that Steve Jobs was a terrible terrible human being and it colors my attitude, even now, of Apple. That doesn't mean that I don't recognize that their hardware is vastly superior to most of the stuff other vendors offer.

12thRonin wrote:

d-usa wrote:Many good arguments for both cases here. The only argument that makes me shake my head is this:

"Which company is a better solution?"

"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

It's a valid reason for making the decision who to buy from. Do/will you support the people who run/own the company?

And does nothing to answer the question of "what company has the better solution".

"what company would you buy from" is a different question than "what company has the better bag"

Ah sweet, FOAM WARS err III or is it IV or V now, no VI that's it!

These are always fun. The candle that burns so brightly doth burn so quick.

TLDR: IBL

How do KR cases fare when used as carry-on luggage on airlines? I'm looking at the Battlefoam Privateer Press bag and it looks like a perfect option for carry-on luggage. I'm interested how KR would compare in that regard.

haendas wrote:How do KR cases fare when used as carry-on luggage on airlines? I'm looking at the Battlefoam Privateer Press bag and it looks like a perfect option for carry-on luggage. I'm interested how KR would compare in that regard.

I can only give you my experiences with the Battlefoam bags, I hope somebody can give you more insight to the KR cases.

The PACK AIR is advertised as being a carry on compatible bag, and it is build to comply with FAA standards for carry-on. But be advised that airlines often have their own guidelines, and small regional jets are especially likely to have different standards. One of our mods had to check his AIR while flying Delta, but Southwest Airlines will let you carry it on.

I have the PACK GO, which is a little smaller and is build more like a back bag. Had no problem carrying it on the plane with Frontier. My second flight didn't have room for it in the plane so it got gate checked and spend the next two flights in luggage, going through the airport system and got thrown around a lot. Even with that I didn't see any damage on it and the minis held up fine. Biggest downside that I can see between a GO and an AIR is that the GO doesn't have wheels or a handle like a carry-on suitcase would. So it gets heavy if you are carrying it around the airport during a long layover.

Battle Foam all the way for me. Though I do not have hands on experience with KR, I've seen their stuff reviewed on video and I'm not overly impressed.

One of nicest things about the Battle Foam cases are all the pockets and such you can put your books, dice and templates in. No need to have additional bags.

Love my portable warfare solution and next one is KR, battlefoam is way to expensive and the diference in price is just to much... The diference will be used to fund, you know, miniatures.

ruminator wrote:I'm pretty neutral here, but if the cardboard boxes are sat in one of their aluminium cases then what's the problem? From what I've seen of those cases they are practically bulletproof.

Sadly, they're not. I've had one serious structural failure on mine (the plastic corner piece broke, leading to two sides becoming unstuck) and no end of cosmetic problems (unsightly scratches, warped hinges, and the thin black aluminum sheeting coming loose from the hardboard underneath it leading to bulging, rippling and peeling). Since another one of the corners has cracked and likely to shatter entirely sometime in the future, I am likely to have to resort to another round of repairs to keep it functional.

Brother SRM wrote: they support tournaments and the larger gaming community,

So does Battlefoam, to be fair. Not only do they host a convention/tournament(Wild West Shootout) and own a FLGS, they're also out at various other events, provide prize support for the big 'cons, and host 40K Radio.

I'd stick with KR, I like their system alot, I have some Battlefoam trays(bought on black Friday), and while they are nice the KR systems protect my models just as well for 1/2 the cost.

Also the portable warfare, KR, and Sabol systems can all swap foam between their bags pretty easily while BattleFoam has its own scale.

R3con wrote:I
Also the portable warfare, KR, and Sabol systems can all swap foam between their bags pretty easily while BattleFoam has its own scale.

I do think that Battlefoam makes Sabol size trays, so you might even be able to buy the cases from the other companies and use BF trays with them.

But if you buy a BF case, then only BF trays will fit in it.

Found an interesting review article for sabol size trays on Dakka:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Sabol-sized_Foam_Tray_Comparison

d-usa wrote:"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

Once? The guy is a prick.

Glorioski wrote:

d-usa wrote:"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

Once? The guy is a prick.

And are his bags and trays going to fall apart every time he pisses of some random people on the internet?

It has nothing to do with his product, and nothing to do with the question "what bag is better".

d-usa wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

d-usa wrote:"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

Once? The guy is a prick.

And are his bags and trays going to fall apart every time he pisses of some random people on the internet?

It has nothing to do with his product, and nothing to do with the question "what bag is better".

Never saw that specific question in the OPs post. Did however see this:

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Battlefoam is pretty well known and loved(?)

I'm sorry, I figured they were loved(?) because of quality, not because people love(?) Romeo...

Thread will probably be locked soon for being off topic at this rate.

I took it that the question mark in brackets was because the Op was unsure if they are loved or not. How I am going off topic for responding to a question in the original post is beyond me.

Glorioski wrote:

d-usa wrote:"Romeo was an a-hole on the Internet once!"

*facepalm*

Once? The guy is a prick.

So presumably you've spoken to him in person before and have interacted with him outside of the friendly confines of the internet?

Of course. I couldn't possibly have decided he was a prick without meeting him in person. No like everyone I make judgements about I wait untill I have had a chat, shared a bath and slept with them before I come to a conclusion on what I think of them. Did the same Piers Morgan and Fred West.

Wait, you slept with Romeo?