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Sure. You can't decide what you think about someone until you go down on them. Right cincydooley?

Glorioski wrote:Never saw that specific question in the OPs post. Did however see this:

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Battlefoam is pretty well known and loved(?)

That's got nothing to do with Romea either. Whether people like or hate him, he isn't a Battlefoam bag. He isn't the product.

Call me crazy, but I believe that yes, you actually need to meet someone before certifiably declaring they're a prick.

But maybe I'm just old fashioned.

cincydooley wrote:Call me crazy, but I believe that yes, you actually need to meet someone before certifiably declaring they're a prick.

But maybe I'm just old fashioned.

I'm sure Hitler was a fine and jolly person in person. I'm sure him and I could have enjoyed a fine number of things together and we could have been great friends! However, he was a monster and horrible person and I would not support anything he did.

It matters quite a lot how the owner and people running the company act. Not only does that have something to say about how they treat their costumers, but how they treat others. Do you really want to support a person who is vile and viscious? No, there are about ten million people who agree with me!

Ever heard of, "I don't shop at Wallmart," same principle.

So yes, how the owner acts at his worse is very important in deciding if the person is a good person or not.

Not just responding to you, but to everyone who is trying to underplay how Romeo acts to others in the company and his customers at his worse.

.....And he's currently contacting his lawyer about filing a C&D demand for this thread. lol Lookout DAKKA. Hope a mod lives in Antartica to answer to the courts!

gregor_xenos wrote:.....And he's currently contacting his lawyer about filing a C&D demand for this thread. lol Lookout DAKKA. Hope a mod lives in Antartica to answer to the courts!

lolololol. The funny part is, ITS PROBABLY TRUE!

Unless Romeo personally comes to my house and stomps my models, this has exactly zero bearing on how well his products perform.

You don't like him and think he's a fether, great for you.

But when people ask about how well a product works and protects models all those "I hate Romeo" posts don't do anything to answer that question.

d-usa wrote:Unless Romeo personally comes to my house and stomps my models, this has exactly zero bearing on how well his products perform.

You don't like him and think he's a fether, great for you.

But when people ask about how well a product works and protects models all those "I hate Romeo" posts don't do anything to answer that question.

Obviously you didn't read my post. people brag that, "I don't shop at Wallmart," for a reason. The same reason people don't want to buy from Romeo. And ya, seeing how his attutide works and hearing the numerable complaints about BF customer support (google it). But ya, some people don't buy BF for the same reason people don't shop at Wallmart, or why governments embargo countries that are less-than repputable.


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I chuckle now because I am currently starring at an add for BF on dakkadakka.


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d-usa wrote: But when people ask about how well a product works and protects models all those "I hate Romeo" posts don't do anything to answer that question.

But when people ask me a question, such as "what does x have to do with y," and than I answer the person's question, and somebody goes and sacrastically writes a reply about how my post deosn't have anything to do with the thread (even though it clearly does as it was answering somebodies question and/or replying to a comment), great for that guy, and what he posts doesn't do anything for this thread.

Ryan_A wrote:

d-usa wrote:Unless Romeo personally comes to my house and stomps my models, this has exactly zero bearing on how well his products perform.

You don't like him and think he's a fether, great for you.

But when people ask about how well a product works and protects models all those "I hate Romeo" posts don't do anything to answer that question.

Obviously you didn't read my post. people brag that, "I don't shop at Wallmart," for a reason. The same reason people don't want to buy from Romeo. And ya, seeing how his attutide works and hearing the numerable complaints about BF customer support (google it). But ya, some people don't buy BF for the same reason people don't shop at Wallmart, or why governments embargo countries that are less-than repputable.


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I chuckle now because I am currently starring at an add for BF on dakkadakka.


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d-usa wrote:Unless Romeo personally comes to my house and stomps my models, this has exactly zero bearing on how well his products perform.

You don't like him and think he's a fether, great for you.

But when people ask about how well a product works and protects models all those "I hate Romeo" posts don't do anything to answer that question.

But when people ask me a question, such as "what does x have to do with y," and than I answer it and somebody goes and sacrastically writes a reply about how my post deosn't have anything to do with the thread, great for that guy, and what he posts doesn't do anything to answer any of the questions on this thread.

"Does Wal-Mart sell Jeans?"

"I don't shop at Wal-Mart, they are evil"

"Thank you, that really answered my question!"

Yeah, I totally see your point. "Romeo is a fether." really gives an accurate and subjective review of how well his foam protects products, the quality of his bags, how they stand up as checked luggage in an airplane or any other practical question. I am sorry I ever doubted the wisdom of having an opinion about an individual replace any actual practical review of the product they sell.

Sorry I fail to understand how "Romeo is a fether" is an accurate answer to "What is the better bag".

d-usa wrote:

R3con wrote:I
Also the portable warfare, KR, and Sabol systems can all swap foam between their bags pretty easily while BattleFoam has its own scale.

I do think that Battlefoam makes Sabol size trays, so you might even be able to buy the cases from the other companies and use BF trays with them.

But if you buy a BF case, then only BF trays will fit in it.

Found an interesting review article for sabol size trays on Dakka:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Sabol-sized_Foam_Tray_Comparison

Ya I've read that one before its a great breakdown, but I'm cheap and KR and Sabol have done me well to date, I also had a issue with a sabol bag and they had a replacement shipped out within the week, and they let me keep the bag with a ripped stitch. From forum posts this seems a bit different from BF's return policies.

Also if your even thinking of buying BF make sure you wait for the black friday sale!

R3con wrote:

d-usa wrote:

R3con wrote:I
Also the portable warfare, KR, and Sabol systems can all swap foam between their bags pretty easily while BattleFoam has its own scale.

I do think that Battlefoam makes Sabol size trays, so you might even be able to buy the cases from the other companies and use BF trays with them.

But if you buy a BF case, then only BF trays will fit in it.

Found an interesting review article for sabol size trays on Dakka:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Sabol-sized_Foam_Tray_Comparison

Ya I've read that one before its a great breakdown, but I'm cheap and KR and Sabol have done me well to date, I also had a issue with a sabol bag and they had a replacement shipped out within the week, and they let me keep the bag with a ripped stitch. From forum posts this seems a bit different from BF's return policies.

Also if your even thinking of buying BF make sure you wait for the black friday sale!

I got a couple friends who use Sabol cases and they are usually happy with them. One of them has one BF tray for it that he ordered so he could custom cut it for a few models. Black Friday is the way to go with BF, especially if you are starting out from scratch and buying a bag and lots of foam.

d-usa wrote:Bla bla bla

Whatever, I'm done feeding the troll, I was answering somebodies question. And I actually HAVE submitted answers about my review and comparison of both products earlier in this thread, and what I did not say had already been said by Ian.

I won't be responding to anymore of your attempts to get a rise out of me.

The ironic part is you are the one trolling the thread.

-Loki- wrote:The ironic part is you are the one trolling the thread.

I laughed cause its true.

Stoupe wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The ironic part is you are the one trolling the thread.

I laughed cause its true.

Indeed.

Ryan_A wrote:
I'm sure Hitler was a fine and jolly person in person. I'm sure him and I could have enjoyed a fine number of things together and we could have been great friends! However, he was a monster and horrible person and I would not support anything he did.

Well, this tells me all I need to know about you.

If you're looking for the best bag for miniatures on the market, Battlefoam bags are far and away a higher quality product than any of the other ones which are, as I said before, glorified coolers. The Battlefoam Bags are effectively luggage designed to protect your miniatures (which remember, aren't cheap; you can bitch about that on another thread).

They also offer the highest diversity in custom cut product on the market, from my experience have exceptional customer service, have a trade in program if you'd like to trade in old bags (regardless of condition) and have a website that is easy to navigate and which affords you the opportunity to design your own trays online.

They are more expensive than every other brand out there, but in many cases only marginally, particularly when you consider that the Battlefoam bags are higher quality.

If you want a bag like a Kaiser, well guess what? Battlefoam sells one of those, too. It's called the Shield Bag, and with cut foam is $61--or about $20 less than the Portable Warfare Sergeant (it is 1" smaller). I'd compare it to the KR Kaiser, but I can't tell how big the damn bag is on the website. The pre-cut trays are $10.99 or 5 for $44, cheaper in a 5-pack than the Blu-Foam.

So, in the end, BattleFoam DOES offer an "affordable" bag on par with the Portable Warfare, KR Kaiser, and Sabol Coolerbag. If you want to compare something, compare the like model, the Shield, and not the superior in pretty much every single way PACK system.

KR foam is very affordable and very well done. Haven't purchased any custom trays, as my case is a GW big case. Shipping is ridiculously fast even at the free level.

I have no experience with KR multicase but Battlefoam while pricey does make good sturdy bags and nice custom foam.

I have two gripes with Battle Foam. One they use this hard foam which causes metal minis to chip fairly often. I have this problem with my warmachine and hordes minis that they keep chipping even when I seal them with Testor's Dullcote. I have gone back to Sabol foam for my Warmachine/hordes armies.

Two Battlefoam also took a long time several months to get me my stuff but I ordered on the Black Friday sale which probably meant they were swamped with sales but still that was ridiculous.

If you are not using metal minis and don't mind waiting and paying the price Battlefoam is great.

Just a tip - Dullcote doesn't really protect metal models from chipping. It's good on plastic and resin, but for metals you should have a good gloss on it for protection, and use Dullcote to bring the gloss off. It's not really a fault of the semi rigid foam, metal models are just more prone to damage.

cincydooley wrote:BATTLEFOAM IS AMAZING IN EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY. IT IS SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY TO EVERYTHING ELSE EVER INVENTED. RAAAAAAA!

See, at least in my post I'm prepared to list the pros and cons of each system. I obviously support KR but I've had experience of both systems, and I concede that there are areas in which BF are superior and areas where KR are superior.

A post like yours (summarised above) is unconvincing because it offers little reason or evidence. Just rampant fanboyism. As I have said, BF materials are indeed superior, but that isn't the same thing as being the 'best system', since having more expensive materials doesn't actually translate into better protection, or modularity, etc.


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haendas wrote:How do KR cases fare when used as carry-on luggage on airlines? I'm looking at the Battlefoam Privateer Press bag and it looks like a perfect option for carry-on luggage. I'm interested how KR would compare in that regard.

BF have the advantage here - KR don't make any cases which are specifically designed as hand luggage. The standard KR card multicase, (160 marines or 240 guard), and it's carry cases (Kaiser 1 and Backpack 1) are significantly smaller than hand luggage requirements. It's definitely possibly to carry any of them on. A standard card case will easily fit in a hand-luggage sized suitcase.

TWO KR multicases, the Kaiser 2 or a fully loaded Backpack 2 will not fit in hand luggage. If the PACK 432 does, then BF have the advantage here.

Partly, this is probably because KR is a British company, where it's much less common to fly in-country to play games. Unless you're going from one end of the country to the other, it's easier to drive...

Personally, I have always flown with a single KR multicase stowed in my big suitcase in the hold. I've never had any damage to any of my models, despite how often my big suitcase must have been thrown around...!

Yes cincydooley's post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than Battlefoam. Certainly not enough to brand the other products as "glorified coolers".

What I can't understand is how hard foam would be in any way a better idea than soft foam other than the fact you can hold the trays easier. The idea of putting your miniature in foam is they are flexible to give your minis a cushion and any knock the bag gets is also dampened. Hard foam will just carry any vibration the bag receives to your model.

Glorioski wrote:Yes cincydooley's post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than Battlefoam. Certainly not enough to brand the other products as "glorified coolers".

What I can't understand is how hard foam would be in any way a better idea than soft foam other than the fact you can hold the trays easier. The idea of putting your miniature in foam is they are flexible to give your minis a cushion and any knock the bag gets is also dampened. Hard foam will just carry any vibration the bag receives to your model.

I don't think it's hard enough to carry the vibration. The fact that it's semi-rigid give the whole case more rigidity, which is an advantage in a canvas case. It's probably a bit more durable, and might be easier to cut weird shapes into? I don't know.

I agree, I prefer soft foam that presses on the model, holding it very tightly in place, and then a rigid case for, you know, rigidity....

Would you like me to bullet it out for you?

BattleFoam Pros
---PACK system bags are luggage quality and durable.
---BattleFoam Foam is denser than both KR foam and Sabol foam
---BattleFoam comes in hundreds of custom cut trays for multiple game systems
---BattleFoam offers a custom tray creator online so you can tailor any foam to your specific models.
----BattleFoam offers a budget bag, the Shield

BattleFoam cons
---more expensive than other bags
---no tray sized boxes to slide into bags?
---People that have never met Romeo, the owner of BattleFoam, compare him to hitler.

KR Pros
---Offers custom cut foam for a limited number of models ranges.
---foam comes in boxes allow for modularity.
---foam is an attractive blue color

KR Cons
---bags are not rigid and require interior boxes
---website does not make sizes apparent
---custom foam just as expensive as BattleFoam and is sometimes actually more expensive than BattleFoam

And yes. You read the last one correctly. To stow 3 chimeras and 3 russes in BattleFoam The tray is $24.99. To stow the same load out in KR you need 3 IG1+IG1 trays at $13 a piece, or $39 total.

You keep talking about modularity. Do I need to make a video about how easy it is to swap my foam in and out of a bag?




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Glorioski wrote:Yes cincydooley's post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than Battlefoam. Certainly not enough to brand the other products as "glorified coolers".

What I can't understand is how hard foam would be in any way a better idea than soft foam other than the fact you can hold the trays easier. The idea of putting your miniature in foam is they are flexible to give your minis a cushion and any knock the bag gets is also dampened. Hard foam will just carry any vibration the bag receives to your model.

Ive owned Sabol bags before. Had two Motor Pools. I checked KR out at GenCon last year. I wasn't impressed. By their bags, and their foam is softer than BattleFoam by a considerable amount. The Sabols are glorified coolers. They give away similar soft coolers as free gifts at baseball games in the states. I do not have experience with Portable Warfare, but again, they're soft bags that look like coolers, right down to the heat reflecting silver interior.

I also own 3 or 4 GW hard cases which now have GW sized BattleFoam in them.

Yes glorioskis post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than KR. Certainky not enough to brand the other products as "less modular".

cincydooley wrote:Yes glorioskis post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than KR. Certainky not enough to brand the other products as "less modular".

You're right, I don't. However unlike you I'm not making statements about products I know nothing about. Neither did I say anything about any product being "less modular", even if you do put it in quotation marks.

Glorioski wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Yes glorioskis post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than KR. Certainky not enough to brand the other products as "less modular".

You're right, I don't. However unlike you I'm not making statements about products I know nothing about. Neither did I say anything about any product being "less modular", even if you put it in quotation marks.

Whereas I have experience with 4 different companies. Seems I may know what I'm talking about a bit more than you.

cincydooley wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Yes glorioskis post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than KR. Certainky not enough to brand the other products as "less modular".

You're right, I don't. However unlike you I'm not making statements about products I know nothing about. Neither did I say anything about any product being "less modular", even if you put it in quotation marks.

Whereas I have experience with 4 different companies. Seems I may know what I'm talking about a bit more than you.

I'm not saying you don't. But then there's ArbitorIan who seems to know more than you and is presenting the pros and cons of each bag in a fair an unbiased manor. You are just coming across as a BattleFoam fanboy.

Glorioski wrote:

cincydooley wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Yes glorioskis post comes across as if he has no experience of anything other than KR. Certainky not enough to brand the other products as "less modular".

You're right, I don't. However unlike you I'm not making statements about products I know nothing about. Neither did I say anything about any product being "less modular", even if you put it in quotation marks.

Whereas I have experience with 4 different companies. Seems I may know what I'm talking about a bit more than you.

I'm not saying you don't. But then there's ArbitorIan who seems to know more than you and is presenting the pros and cons of each bag in a fair an unbiased manor. You are just coming across as a BattleFoam fanboy.

Really? Because it sounds to me like he hasn't actually used or owned anything but KR. And I just made bullet points of all the pros and cons for you. The only pro I can genuinely see for KR over BattleFoam is the price being cheaper, but the foam isn't even cheaper in many instances! Further, the kaiser bags aren't rigid, and you really can't reasonably compare them to the PACK bags which, as I've intimated multiple times, are more like luggage. To compare a BF bag to a KR bag you have to use a Shield, and thats cheaper!!!

cincydooley wrote:Further, the kaiser bags aren't rigid, and you really can't reasonably compare them to the PACK bags which, as I've intimated multiple times, are more like luggage. To compare a BF bag to a KR bag you have to use a Shield, and thats cheaper!!!

See your ranting on about things you have no idea about again. Kaiser bags are rigid, all of them. And if you want us to compare it with BF's shield bag please take note of the statement on their website:

this bag is not made with a hard plastic inner shell and will collapse when not filled with foam.

Can't imagine it's very rigid when the rigidity is provided by the foam itself.

Glorioski wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Further, the kaiser bags aren't rigid, and you really can't reasonably compare them to the PACK bags which, as I've intimated multiple times, are more like luggage. To compare a BF bag to a KR bag you have to use a Shield, and thats cheaper!!!

See your ranting on about things you have no idea about again. Kaiser bags are rigid, all of them. And if you want us to compare it with BF's shield bag please take note of the statement on their website:

this bag is not made with a hard plastic inner shell and will collapse when not filled with foam.

Can't imagine it's very rigid when the rigidity is provided by the foam itself.

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. The Kaisers are not lined with rigid plastic.

They all make use of the card cases. The shield bag doesn't have rigid plastic.

Also it isn't cheaper either. The Kaiser case price includes international shipping. The BF Shield bag is 14 extra dollars for basic shipping in the US and 44 dollars to ship across the Atlantic.