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2016/07/08 15:45:13
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
Agree about the PZIV - think it might work better with the regular turret (or a variation of) and then some kind of sci-fi/plasma turret as the Sherman has - rather than looking at some kind of mobile disco-light projector.
Yes I think that, or it needs some decks on it and a guy with a pony-tail playing Kraftwerk (which would always have existed, in any alternate universe scenario)
While I love the American cougar walker... how exactly is the guy supposed the fire the .50 cal on top and drive the mech?
Other than that I love the idea behind this. Usually weird war just goes full weird with no "regular joes" that would still be kicking around, but this one mixes the two, just like it would be if it really happened.
Seeing a GI fighting off zombies with a BAR or having some germans with panzerfausts engaging heavily armored us infantry really helps cement the fact this is still WWII, not random sci fi ideas with a WWII them clumsily bolted on. I'm sure we'll see full sci fi armies, but having the option to use regular WWII armies as your core makes it a lot easier to get into and makes the game look better too.
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2016/07/09 02:14:33
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
The vampires look really great, and look generic enough to be used for other stuff as well. They will certainly make their way into my post-apoc collection.
While mechs are cool, these mechs kind of make it too apparent why mechs never was a thing. They have a huge profile compared to tanks, they dont have room for big guns, and there is no way they could be more armored than tanks. Wonder how the rules make them tick beside tanks.
The sherman is really cool! Seems upgrade kits like this for both tanks and infantry would be a good way to get normal BA players more easily into the game.
For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
2016/07/09 16:51:29
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
Dust is 1/48 and Bolt Action is 1/56 - so, it honestly won't matter. Like playing with 1/72 and 20mm mixed. You can't really tell the difference at the distance you're playing.
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2016/07/09 16:54:03
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
You might find that BA vehicles look a bit small next to DUST figures - I have that issue - DUST is amore of a heroic scale like 40k.
Hoping in due course someone with be able to post some scale images fo the new stuff (when its out) against 40k, DUST etc figures.
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Also DUST vehicles are huge compared to 1/56 WW2 models.
Those vamps look great. Hope they do werewolves too!
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2016/07/10 05:38:28
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
Dust is 1/48 and Bolt Action is 1/56 - so, it honestly won't matter. Like playing with 1/72 and 20mm mixed. You can't really tell the difference at the distance you're playing.
Oh you will notice for sure, put a 1/48 scale Sherman next to a 1/56 Sherman and the 48 towers over it. There is a massive difference which is why most players of bolt action don't mix scales. I started out with 1/48 Tamiya kits as they look better with the infantry but now there seems to be more 1/56 scale kits out although the infantry seem tall against the 1/56 kits.
On a side note mixing 1,72 and 20mm together and not seeing a difference is because you won't, they both go hand in hand. 20mm is scaled to go with 1,72 scale kits. I myself now prefer 20mm compared to 28mm.
That said mind I will be picking up bolt action v2.
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2016/07/10 09:51:07
Subject: Re:(est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
Have to say really not impressed with the miniature line for this outside of the zombies and vampires. Some of those designs are straight out copies of Dust models, except with vastly less detail and what detail there is is seriously exaggerated in terms of scale.
Not seeing this as any less "weird war" than Dust either - both have regular troops and both have regular vehicles.
Does this use the same base mechanics as BA?
2016/07/10 10:00:59
Subject: (est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
Yeah can't say I'm too blown away either, I did like the axis dust walkers but hell its early days and it's not even out so who knows what else will come out. Do we need even more zombies though. Saying that dust did have gorillas so Christ knows lol.
2016/07/10 10:09:32
Subject: Re:(est. July release) Clockwork Goblin/Warlord Games - Konflikt '47 (Weird war 2)
The older sculpts are pretty bad (the US and USSR heavy infantry especially) but the newer stuff is really good (the UK and German heavy infantry I linked earlier in the thread)
I much prefer the DUST infantry and scale in general to BA infantry but it comes down to I think i will get games at the club with Konflikt (with BA players) which I won't with DUST
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warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
Dust is 1/48 and Bolt Action is 1/56 - so, it honestly won't matter. Like playing with 1/72 and 20mm mixed. You can't really tell the difference at the distance you're playing.
BrookM wrote:It will matter, the difference in sizes will be quite noticeable.
Mr Morden wrote:
warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
You might find that BA vehicles look a bit small next to DUST figures - I have that issue - DUST is amore of a heroic scale like 40k.
Hoping in due course someone with be able to post some scale images fo the new stuff (when its out) against 40k, DUST etc figures.
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The base looks a little bit taller than the bolt action one.
bubber wrote:Also DUST vehicles are huge compared to 1/56 WW2 models.
Those vamps look great. Hope they do werewolves too!
warboss wrote: For those with both, how does the scale of Dust compare with that of Bolt Action? Will the models from one be close enough to potentially use in the other?
Dust is 1/48 and Bolt Action is 1/56 - so, it honestly won't matter. Like play[/img]ing with 1/72 and 20mm mixed. You can't really tell the difference at the distance you're playing.
Oh you will notice for sure, put a 1/48 scale Sherman next to a 1/56 Sherman and the 48 towers over it. There is a massive difference which is why most players of bolt action don't mix scales. I started out with 1/48 Tamiya kits as they look better with the infantry but now there seems to be more 1/56 scale kits out although the infantry seem tall against the 1/56 kits.
Thanks to all those that responded above (spoilered for scrolling's sake!) about the scale question. It looks like the opinion is pretty divided. I'll have to see if I can find a pic of a 1/56 sherman next to a 1/48 sherman as incorporating that cool particle beam scifi sherman into Dust would be what I'd potentially do.
edit: found one. Yikes, that is a bit more visually than the just looking at the numbers would indicate to me. It'll be especially obvious next to the probably even larger than 1/48 scale DUST versions of the IS-3 and the ISU-152. At the link below there are multiple pics of both vehicles and infantry.
While someone will be in here soon to tell us that yes, tanks were a lot smaller than we think/know/remember in 'real life', I do like the 'look' of 1/48 tanks next to '28mm' miniatures on the tabletop.
But I'll also admit that might be my "GW Upbringing" shining through more than anything else too!
Alpharius wrote: While someone will be in here soon to tell us that yes, tanks were a lot smaller than we think/know/remember in 'real life', I do like the 'look' of 1/48 tanks next to '28mm' miniatures on the tabletop.
But I'll also admit that might be my "GW Upbringing" shining through more than anything else too!
I think they do too to be fair, 1,56 scale makes me think of adult sriding kids garden toys but as I said a couple posts back it seems like the kits for 1,56 range has over taken the 1,48 range by Tamiya and a few others. Plus they seem a little cheaper and the warlord kits the plastic ones that is seem go together quite fast compared to a full model kit.
Alpharius wrote: While someone will be in here soon to tell us that yes, tanks were a lot smaller than we think/know/remember in 'real life', I do like the 'look' of 1/48 tanks next to '28mm' miniatures on the tabletop.
But I'll also admit that might be my "GW Upbringing" shining through more than anything else too!
We have had this discussion lots of times at our club - the true scale 1/56 vehicles do look really small next to the ba infantry - but then the infantry is pretty bulky and not true scale so that does not help.
Went to the tank Museum at Muckelborough and it was intersting to look at the real scale -They are pretty big close up - and horribly cramped inside!
plus got to drive an APC - sweet.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Necros wrote: Maybe I missed it ... are the starter sets available yet? and any idea how much they cost?
The starter sets are up for preorder on the warlord site, along with the book (as linked above) and cost £70 each. There is apparently a very big discount in these starter sets, but without the individual prices... Who knows. Warlord have confirmed that a British starter is on the way as well, but not when... Sadly.
Need me some of those British much infantry to go with my sas/desert rats army a.stick em in the back of a bren carrier and off they pop around the board .
