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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 18:59:20
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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Bottle wrote:I'd only be ashamed if I had Mantic models in my collection.
If we're going to play THAT version of the shame game...
I'd be ashamed of putting down a bunch of slope-shouldered, beer-bellied GW drinking dwarves who are in no condition to do anything more strenuous than spending a night at the pub if I was confronted with an army of broad-shouldered, well-muscled Mantic FIGHTING dwarves...
Still wanna play?
EDIT: As far as being ashamed about how much you spend on your hobby, ask them how much they spend each year on alcohol and tobacco. I'd bet real money they spend more on their addictions than you do on yours.
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CHAOS! PANIC! DISORDER!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 19:12:45
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I only hide it for practical reasons. Early on in dating there are a lot of assumptions about people with this hobby so I let them learn me FIRST, then introduce them relatively soon after(specifically with the ladies). Once they know I am socially competent than it is not a problem.
Other than that, no I don't really hide it. However I find that most of the time I dont bring it up mainly because I dont want to explain it to people that cant understand "You spent 50 on WHAT" "Yep, and I got 3-4 times the value that you did out of that 200 dollar purchase" "...whatever nerd"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 19:47:40
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Vulcan wrote: Bottle wrote:I'd only be ashamed if I had Mantic models in my collection.
If we're going to play THAT version of the shame game...
I'd be ashamed of putting down a bunch of slope-shouldered, beer-bellied GW drinking dwarves who are in no condition to do anything more strenuous than spending a night at the pub if I was confronted with an army of broad-shouldered, well-muscled Mantic FIGHTING dwarves...
Still wanna play?
Although mantic dwarves might have broad shoulders, gw ones at least have arms...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 20:01:17
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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JamesY wrote: Vulcan wrote: Bottle wrote:I'd only be ashamed if I had Mantic models in my collection.
If we're going to play THAT version of the shame game...
I'd be ashamed of putting down a bunch of slope-shouldered, beer-bellied GW drinking dwarves who are in no condition to do anything more strenuous than spending a night at the pub if I was confronted with an army of broad-shouldered, well-muscled Mantic FIGHTING dwarves...
Still wanna play?
Although mantic dwarves might have broad shoulders, gw ones at least have arms...
Shoulders, arms, knees, and a belly to be proud of....
I have met retired weightlifters that had exactly those bellies....
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 20:06:03
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Very nice. I've only got the abyssal dwarf £50 box and the lads with blunderbusses. Hardly an arm in sight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 20:36:01
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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JamesY wrote:Very nice. I've only got the abyssal dwarf £50 box and the lads with blunderbusses. Hardly an arm in sight.
Repurposed dwarf plastics, with metal bits?
Using an existing model to base a new miniature on can limit options, so understandable.
Though it looks like the current Abyssal Dwarf Decimators do have arms, so maybe they have gotten better since you got yours?
Still hybrid, though - I hope they do some dedicated Abyssal plastics at some point.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 21:30:54
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah that's the kit. Maybe been a bit harsh on the arm comment then. I remember building the standard guys with the shields and axes that just slot straight into the body with hardly any arm at all, which is where my comment was based. I got mine maybe a year or two ago. Wasn't impressed with the hybrid kits and wrote them off after finishing one unit. Those dwarves you posted prior look much better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 22:10:39
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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JamesY wrote:Yeah that's the kit. Maybe been a bit harsh on the arm comment then. I remember building the standard guys with the shields and axes that just slot straight into the body with hardly any arm at all, which is where my comment was based. I got mine maybe a year or two ago. Wasn't impressed with the hybrid kits and wrote them off after finishing one unit. Those dwarves you posted prior look much better.
Those dwarfs are all metal though - the hybrid kits... less impressive, but cheaper than an all metal kit.
I actually like Mantic dwarfs - and that they are not proportioned like humans. Ditto for their elves.
The only Mantic figures that I have been completely dissatisfied with were the infamous Men at Arms. (Which can be salvaged, but only by using bits from other companies....)
Back on topic - there are not many games that anyone should be ashamed of, even allowing for cost.
Aside from some Kingdom Death models, which you should never let your mother see....
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 22:17:20
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Goose dragons.
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Oli: Can I be an orc?
Everyone: No.
Oli: But it fits through the doors, Look! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 22:43:19
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/31 22:47:47
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Septimus Severus wrote:Mother and I are pretty poor but we're both quite mad* (very good friends, or, without anything sinister, an old married couple -- I have something of my mother and auntie's sharp mind, a shared love of history and a fondness for sing-songs inherited from my grandmother, a lovely lady), so she doesn't mind the oddness. I do hide the painting experiments as she's fairly houseproud and the cost bothers me a little. Luckily Inquisitor/Inq28 is a small scale thing and I spend most of my time designing oddities on scrap paper.
* As an aside -- to the tune of Two Lovely Black Eyes. A family joke that might cheer someone up.
Ode to Septimus' Severus' Latest Prescription from the Loony-Doctor:
Three lovely pink pills,
My heart how it thrills!
What does it matter I'm mad as a hatter,
I've three lovely pink pills.
Are you Johnny Nice-Painter off of the Fast Show?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 00:08:02
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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JamesY wrote:Although mantic dwarves might have broad shoulders, gw ones at least have arms...
GW dwarf arm, shoulder to end of hand, 18mm.
Mantic dwarf arm, shoulder to end of hand, 17mm.
Do try again. Automatically Appended Next Post:
.... okay, you've got me on that one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 03:16:29
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Not because of how expensive it was, but because during the 1980s being into "Nerdy" things was still extraordinarily uncool.
And NONE of my Punk/Deathrock/Goth friends even knew about gaming.
It was seen as something that spotty little boys with no girlfriends did.
But in the late-80s I had quite a name, even among the various music subcultures, in the gaming industry.
But nearly dying in 1991 ended that, as I stayed "mostly-dead" for nearly 10 years.
And my name did not survive among any but a few game company owners. Although I still hear a poster of me graces the walls of Iron Wind (Previously Ral Partha) from when I met the owners of Ral Partha in the mid-80s (and left one hell of an impression, apparently).
MB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 03:55:34
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Yeah, I'm also a product of the eighties, so maybe I've internalized the shame from that. Either way, I keep my gaming life and my celebrity life well separate. I wouldn't want the other ex SEALs tearing my poster down at the law firm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 04:42:06
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Yes, definitely. Not so much anymore, but certainly when I was at school. People knowing you played earned you a good dosage of bullying at my school.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 04:56:39
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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I have no concept of the thing called shame, and i was always into underground cultures stuff before it became "cool".
Same as comics, when people say comics are for kids, i go like whatever!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 05:10:12
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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I started my hobby in 4th grade, I am 29 now. Everything back then was pewter (at least to my exposure) and living in Poland it was an expensive hobby.
I was fortunate enough to live in a town where there were about 2 stores that had tables/setups with products and boy was I mesmerized.
I collected space wolves and I still remember the 1st box of devastators my mom got me, it was amazing. I also remember when my dad told me straight up he didn't have the money to buy me a codex but he did it anyway, that's a moment I will never forget!
So here I am with a grown up job and I can't say that I blow money away, but YES , I do tell my significant other 'this costs normally $XX from GW, but I got it for $YY!'
I agree with others that gave reasons behind it being expensive as you make it. Play with as little models as you want, it is entirely up to you as the gamer and the person who sets an example for the hobby, make it a good one !
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 07:20:48
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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I have far more things worth being ashamed of than Playing TT games. It's not that big of a deal. As long as you're being responsible and not using Adulting money as Fun money, it doesn't really matter. I will say to keep my hobbies afloat, I've cut drinking down to about 5-6 drinks a year and I've avoided stuff like Smoking, Gambling and Vaping like the plague. Not because it's bad, but because every pack of Cigs, bottle of juice, or scratch off/trip to the casino can be better used on stuff I was to buy like new models or EVA foam.
You gotta be you. Everyone has fun doing different things and as long as you're not living on Beans and Beef Broth for the next month because you had to buy a Titan or living by candle light and washing yourself in the neighbor's pool because you needed two of each Imperial Knight more than keeping water and electricity on in your house, it doesn't really matter what YOU decide to spend your hobby cash on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 08:03:38
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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I am actually quite proud of my hobby. It makes me feel very creative and artistic to be able to apply a good paint scheme to a miniature that measures barely 2 inches tall. Would I proclaim it as my number one hobby to a prospective date? Probably not. But I might coyly explain that it's my "nerdy hobby" and then bedazzle them with my painting prowess via my blog.
When the cost comes up... yeah it can be expensive, if you let it be. The trick is to have good impulse control. Going into a store for a pot of paint you needed and coming out with a new box to assemble just seems like something everybody has to do at some point... but it's not something you need to do every time you go in. When I compare that 3 dollar pot of paint that I buy maybe once a month, and a 30-60 dollar kit I buy every few months, to say... alcohol or cigarettes, and my per month cost is pretty damn low. That, and the only thing I kill by my excessive painting is my eyesight, rather than my body or braincells like with the other less healthy addictions. So I figure I am coming out ahead.
I am a dad on a budget. I very rarely get to splurge on the newest kit. The combined value of all my armies probably wouldn't even amount to a thousand dollars retail... I use a lot of ebay models and starter set units mixed in with creative modeling in the form of papercraft rhinos and land raiders... so I don't feel like this hobby is any more expensive than others out there. Consider that a single current gen console would run me about the same... minus games to play. If I look at the hobby purely on the merits of dollars spent compared to hours filled... I'd say the hundreds of hours I spend playing, painting, and modeling has been well worth the cost.
The biggest thing I am ashamed or try to hide is the amount of unpainted or unfinished projects I have lying around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 08:55:54
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Financial embarrassment, caused by other people knowing? No. I do not hang around with the kinds of people who would care how others spend their money. None of us are rich, but we understand the need to play, create and feel human through having nice things.
Guilt in myself? That's a battle for anyone with low income. A while back I had to separate my hobby money and my rent/food/bills money.
Sell a kit: Hobby money. Stay within that budget.
Wages: Survival money. No touching. And in eight years of renting, I've been on time to the hour each month.
But sometimes I get home, realise how tired and hungry I am, look at my (second hand) 40K army and want to kick the table over. Just a little. Just some days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 09:38:37
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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I'm proud of my plastic crack habit. Apart from the occasional cigar, I don't smoke, apart from the occasional drinking session to try and forget my existence, I don't drink either. Some people play golf and spend hundreds of pounds a year on memberships alone, I play with toys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 09:49:17
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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...I gotta say that I genuinely don't understand hiding your financial investment in a hobby from someone who's seen you naked, though.
The last social barrier is no longer using the toilet while the wife is in the shower. It's admitting what that Forgeworld order actually cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 10:51:56
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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Buttery Commissar wrote:...I gotta say that I genuinely don't understand hiding your financial investment in a hobby from someone who's seen you naked, though. The last social barrier is no longer using the toilet while the wife is in the shower. It's admitting what that Forgeworld order actually cost. First up, buying wargaming stuff isn't an investment, its the very definition of s diminishing return. I had to tell my Mrs I had won a raffle a few years ago when I spent nearly £600 at the FW booth at Salute (on top of the normal rucksack of stuff). She just about accepted that............The next year she found it somewhat more dubious.
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How do you promote your Hobby? - Legoburner "I run some crappy wargaming website " |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 14:20:31
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Posts with Authority
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There are times when my good lady tries my patience.
I am being literal, there - she is trying to see how I react to things, even years into the relationship.
Right now, there is a box sitting on the table - wrapped in pink paper, with red hearts... and labeled 'do not open until Valentines Day'.
I was scared to even touch it, lest I guess what is inside.
Then it turned out that my guessing was the point of the box (that and teasing me).
So, I picked it up and shook it... twice.
And was able to tell her what it was, where she ordered it, and what week she sent in her order.
Shaking it told me that there were plastic sprues inside, and the size of the box was identical to the Mantic Abyssal army that she got us for Christmas.
Mantic has a yearly Crazy Box, so that made it likely to be a Crazy Box....
As to the week... she ordered it the first week of January - I know, because the one that I ordered for her in the second week of January has not yet arrived....
Does this sound like a person to hide my hobby from?  (Great minds think alike - we think alike, so it is obvious that we both have great minds!  )
So... it is likely that come St. Valentine's Day, we will be trading little bits of plastic and resin with each other.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 16:52:13
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Fixture of Dakka
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Grump, you've got a class lady.
Lucky b*****d....
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CHAOS! PANIC! DISORDER!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 17:28:42
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Skillful Swordmaster
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Bottle wrote:I'd only be ashamed if I had Mantic models in my collection.
Boo, bad form Bottle. Bad form!
ITT - I'll never be ashamed of what I like doing.
If people don't like it, they can go spend their time and resources on whatever they want, and not bother me while I do my own thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 17:46:49
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Be ashamed if you'r neglecting a more important thing in order to buy models, your mortgage/rent, your kids, your wife etc.
Other than that no, spend your money as you please, there are far worse things you could be doing with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 18:23:41
Subject: Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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I've never hidden my hobby from anyone and I'm certainly not ashamed of what I do, but I definitely characterize it differently depending on who I talk to. To explain, let me present a scenario. I'm at work. Person #1, who has never read a comic book in her life, asks if I liked the Avengers movie. My response will be "Sure, it had a lot of action and the outfits were kind of corny, but fun." If Person #2, who has a Batman logo computer background asks the same questions, I'm going to say "Totally. I dig what they're doing with Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. I can't wait to see those movies three years from now." You have to consider the audience. To my "nerd aware" friends, I play Warhammer 40k and have several painted armies. To my "non-nerd aware" friends, I belong to a community of painters who get together sometimes to paint in groups and at other times to play "one of those complicated board games". If they ask to see something I've painted, I'll pick one of my better results and show them. I'll usually show them something fancy like a named character in a dynamic pose. I don't mention the "Relic Blade" or the "Jump Pack". I mention how hard it is to get the blues just right, but that patience is a virtue! I've never had anyone turn their nose up. In terms of personal life, my wife likes board games like Zombicide, but has no interest in a 40k style game. She doesn't like the models, the painting, etc. She likes to see what I've painted, but really has no knowledge of any of the factions, etc. Having said all that, she supports this hobby completely. I don't think she fully understands why I like it, but it's relatively cheap PER HOUR compared to most other forms of entertainment and is good, honest work. I could be drinking my money or throwing it at girls at a gentleman's club. I'm not. I'm working with my hands, using my mind and socializing with a wide variety of people. Everyone should have something in their life that achieves this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 18:25:15
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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Buttery Commissar wrote:Financial embarrassment, caused by other people knowing? No. I do not hang around with the kinds of people who would care how others spend their money. None of us are rich, but we understand the need to play, create and feel human through having nice things.
Guilt in myself? That's a battle for anyone with low income. A while back I had to separate my hobby money and my rent/food/bills money.
Sell a kit: Hobby money. Stay within that budget.
Wages: Survival money. No touching. And in eight years of renting, I've been on time to the hour each month.
But sometimes I get home, realise how tired and hungry I am, look at my (second hand) 40K army and want to kick the table over. Just a little. Just some days.
Firstly, maybe you would be able to stretch your food money further if you didn't lather yourself in butter.
Second, your second hand 40k army isn't a waste of money. Think of it as frozen asset (like a house). If things ever get too bad you can sell it for around the same price as what you paid for it (seeing as it was second hand to begin with and hey, 40k hasn't been AoSed yet). If anything, looking at the typical state of second hand models being sold, you'll probably have added value to the army and make a tidy profit, even accounting for paint/hobby expenses!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/01 19:15:45
Subject: Re:Anyone ever feel ashamed or try to hide their hobby
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I am cautious about bringing it up.
Once I am able to show some painted up stuff (a few good pieces not a bunch) people can at least appreciate it.
You show a couple hundred painted up and they back away slowly and run for it.
I commonly do not keep price tags on models so price rarely is brought up.
I discuss "disposable income" with my wife and as long as I keep to budget, we are good.
If I happen to sell finished stuff or my services on occasion, so much the better.
I get more comments about the gaming man cave now that a "significant" amount of the basement has been cordoned off.
Considering how much we save by me developing "handy man" skills in being able to build and fix stuff, that is even less of an issue.
I build nice looking stuff because my gaming / modeling hobby helped me want to develop the skills.
When I point to the tiny men leading me to doing carpentry, plumbing and electrical work: there is little to be ashamed of.
We build stuff, we actively participate in a hobby not passively take it in.
I do get irritated when a guy may scoff at the "playing with toys" when they only have some hockey pool thing they participate in.
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