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2017/11/16 14:40:29
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Everyone who works for GW are hobbyists and the creative types even more so. I think it'll be fine.
2017/11/16 14:55:06
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Do we have any idea when these will be out or what the price will be? I've been holding off on getting a Redemptor Dreadnought because of the price. I care more about simply adding one to my army than I do having a multitude of pose and weapon options. I have years and years worth of bits and am confident I could convert up any number of alternate weapon options.
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Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Well, they are already cutting the options since there is no regular kit for the blight hauler
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2017/11/16 15:30:20
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Well, they are already cutting the options since there is no regular kit for the blight hauler
No question. There's no regular Chaos Marine Chosen or Cultists either. Or Deff Koptaz. Or the Sigmarine chaplain dude. None of which I'm happy about. But I'm giving GW the benefit of the doubt and think that's just GW being GW. I'm much more worried about the rise in monopose multi-part kits we've seen with Death Guard (and allegedly Primaris, too, but I didn't follow that release closely). Cutting down on options in what we would consider the full kit is just sad. But that may just be a problem with Death Guard being so fleshy that GW can't figure out a way to make things posable and get across that particular look at the same time.. Hopefully.
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2017/11/16 15:38:55
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
The coloured plastics tend to be marginally less good as the dyes used make the plastic that little bit softer
(it's easier to mess up your cutting/mould line removal with them, marginal but noticeable, although nowhere near the difference in quality with the contracted out terrain/bases)
2017/11/16 15:49:04
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The coloured plastics tend to be marginally less good as the dyes used make the plastic that little bit softer
(it's easier to mess up your cutting/mould line removal with them, marginal but noticeable, although nowhere near the difference in quality with the contracted out terrain/bases)
Virtually all GW (and other companies') plastic kits have colour added to the mix. The natural colour of HIPS is clear (as seen in flyer cockpits, flight stands, etc..). The normal grey is just as much a visually pleasing colour designed for marketing purposes / convenience (all those details and mini-bitz would be super annoying for assembly and painting if clear) as the red, green, blue, etc.. from Shadespire, Blood Bowl, etc..
Virtually all GW HIPS plastic kits have softener added to the mix independent of the colour (except possibly bases and the aforementioned clear parts, possibly because softener would not be clear), because it makes for a more user friendly product.
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2017/11/16 16:17:08
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Everyone who works for GW are hobbyists and the creative types even more so. I think it'll be fine.
Results point more towards lack of creativity
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Interesting, might pick up the ez2build aggressors if their poses are substantially different from the regular kit. I want a set of flamer aggressors and pose diversity would be good.
I stand corrected about the AoBR dreadnought. For some reason I thought it had a swivel waist and shin plates. My bad.
tneva82 wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
The 'easy to build' Contemptor is not a cheap kit by any measure. It is a full priced kit (imo a 125% priced kit) for half the quality of the product, meant specifically to target non-uk customers who balk at the cost of importing forgeworld.
lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, look, an easy to build Redemptor.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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I'm interested in an EtB Redemptor. I've been eyeballing the full kit to add to my Dark Angels, and if this one has the weapon options I want I'll get one. I might get a full kit later that I'll magnetize to make it fully customizable, but this one will be a start if the price and weapons are right. And I'll certainly pick up a Blight Hauler for my Death Guard. Probably won't get more than one unless they fix the point cost or the kit is really cheap.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/11/16 17:22:56
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Captain Joystick wrote: I stand corrected about the AoBR dreadnought. For some reason I thought it had a swivel waist and shin plates. My bad.
tneva82 wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
The 'easy to build' Contemptor is not a cheap kit by any measure. It is a full priced kit (imo a 125% priced kit) for half the quality of the product, meant specifically to target non-uk customers who balk at the cost of importing forgeworld.
Well I always forget the price as I basically get paid for taking it. 3 squads of MKIV marines=90£, cataphractii=40£. Battle of calth=95£.
I always forget those are sold individually as I would have to be brain dead idiot to buy anything BUT calth or prospero since I'm always in need of more mk IV and III bodies I could throw HQ's and dreadnought into garbage bin and would still be better(at least HQ's I can convert to something though the wolf guy is bit of harder case)
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2017/11/16 19:24:21
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
Ratius wrote: Forgive my ignorance - what is easy to build?
Like snap fit?
Yep. You don't need glue to build them, they have 0 options and are normally divided a smaller number of parts.
Well... You do need glue. The parts are just in 3-4 different sections instead of a multi part kit.
All the Easy to Build Kits that have come out are snap-fit, they don't need glue. I don't know if this new one will be the same, because is a pretty big kit. But the Hell Brute from DV didn't needed glue either, so... who knows.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Ratius wrote: Forgive my ignorance - what is easy to build?
Like snap fit?
Yep. You don't need glue to build them, they have 0 options and are normally divided a smaller number of parts.
Well... You do need glue. The parts are just in 3-4 different sections instead of a multi part kit.
Glue is obviously better, but the officially labeled EZ Build boxes are sold as push-fit. That's why stuff like the Contemptor doesn't count, but the AoBR models kinda do.
Fair enough. I only remember using glue for my Know no Fear set, I imagine they would fall apart once dropped if you didn't glue, and gaps would form while painting.
2017/11/16 22:02:51
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
It's best to always glue push-fit mini's "if" you want to paint them! I also glued the push-fit Shadespire mini's, which were also planned to be just easy to build mini's.
I quite like those easy to build mini's. It's a cheap way to paint something else or just paint a couple of mini's to see if you like the hobby feel of a potential new army.
Still it would be great that GW would release each couple of months an easy to build set for each army.
2017/11/17 07:10:06
Subject: More 40k easy-to-build kits ahead [Confirmed, photo in 1st post]
I am a big fan of the ETB kits. They are a great resource for the newer/younger Wargamer with a good modern pocket money based price point. We have seen this more recently from Gw with the smaller starter sets (First Strike, Know No Fear etc) and starter magazines with a "free" model as an entry point for those new to AOS/ 40k.
For the more experienced it is easy to make the kits go further with kitbash and conversions. As a Death Guard player the idea of potentially getting three Blight Haulers for £30 rather than the £25 each they would have probably been as true multi piece kits is a good one.
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