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GW is so busy producing limited discount boxes that my community can't get existing units they want at full price. Doesn't seem like the smartest business move. And before someone says it--yes, these people are turning to 3rd parties instead so it is lost sales.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:


Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.


Its... not. Early access is all about charging customers for the work in progress. Literally the consumers are paying the company to be beta testers. For indie devs, its sometimes the only way they have enough money to see the game through to completion (though that doesn't excuse the way it gets abused)

For all its sins, this is a complete product. As finished as it will be in 2 or 3 (or 6) months when the codex is released on its own. (which is to say there will be errors that they should have caught, but the timing and format of this box don't have any effect on that).
The solo release of the codex will likely have a slightly different cover, but no change in content.


Still an early access product by the definition of the words "Early" and "Access", which you get if you buy this box - you get an early access to the codex ahead of everyone else.


Yeah, sure... If you're going entirely by the general definitions of the words and not referring to what the computer game industry is doing _at all_, why are you even bringing up the computer game industry? Where limited stock and getting access 'ahead' of anyone else (because anyone can buy in) aren't even issues?

There's a lot to dislike about both behaviors, but... they don't overlap.

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I didn't think even GW was myopic enough to gate a codex behind a limited quantity box that sells out immediately. Somewhere, there was evidently a GW marketing executive saying: "Hold my beer..."
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.


Including the GW store....

No, it's just not selling like Indomitus, period.


*in your area.

In mine dominion is sold out. None of our local game stores have a copy left, and the closest Warhammer store has only two copies remaining.
   
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OKC, OK USA

 bullyboy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.


Including the GW store....

No, it's just not selling like Indomitus, period.


Not selling like Indomitus has nothing to do with your local stores over ordering because they misjudged local demand. Of the six stores + GW store here, only the GW store and one other have any stock left.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.


Including the GW store....

No, it's just not selling like Indomitus, period.


Not selling like Indomitus has nothing to do with your local stores over ordering because they misjudged local demand. Of the six stores + GW store here, only the GW store and one other have any stock left.


Another factor to consider if you're seeing Dominion not selling as quickly as Indom did is budget. This July (& into August) is EXPENSIVE if you enjoy multiple games.
*Early July: AoS Dominion + GHB2021
*This past weekend/this week: the D&D Magic set dropped.
*This coming weekend: 40k Beast-snaggas
*Early(?) Aug.: the new Kill Team edition arrives
That's alot of gaming goodness, but even my hobby budget can't absorb all that in a 5-6 week span.... I had to make a choice of two of these.
It was an easy choice: MTG: D&D - because I've been waiting 20 years for this to happen, & Kill Team - 1) well they had me at plastic Krieg, & I do really like those Kommandos.... 2) but I'll need this for the KT league the shops planning.

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ccs wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I'm surprised some of the local stores here have room for any new kits due to the amount of dominion boxes still sitting on the shelves.



That's not on GW, that's on those stores for over ordering.


Including the GW store....

No, it's just not selling like Indomitus, period.


Not selling like Indomitus has nothing to do with your local stores over ordering because they misjudged local demand. Of the six stores + GW store here, only the GW store and one other have any stock left.


Another factor to consider if you're seeing Dominion not selling as quickly as Indom did is budget. This July (& into August) is EXPENSIVE if you enjoy multiple games.
*Early July: AoS Dominion + GHB2021
*This past weekend/this week: the D&D Magic set dropped.
*This coming weekend: 40k Beast-snaggas
*Early(?) Aug.: the new Kill Team edition arrives
That's alot of gaming goodness, but even my hobby budget can't absorb all that in a 5-6 week span.... I had to make a choice of two of these.
It was an easy choice: MTG: D&D - because I've been waiting 20 years for this to happen, & Kill Team - 1) well they had me at plastic Krieg, & I do really like those Kommandos.... 2) but I'll need this for the KT league the shops planning.



The MTG set was a pleasant surprise. WoTC has been churning out garbage for that game for over five years now, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well put together this set is. If only they could keep the trend going!
   
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Togusa wrote:
The MTG set was a pleasant surprise. WoTC has been churning out garbage for that game for over five years now, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well put together this set is. If only they could keep the trend going!


I hate to say it, but as beautiful as some of the D&D cards are the overall strength of that release is absolutely terrible.

   
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Hasbro/WotC is just a vile, despicable company in general. Zero interest in any of their products (which I find lacking in quality as well these days) at this point.

Will see if I can get the new Kill Team on pre-order from a local store (if the pre-orders don't sell out before I can order aka pay for one). This is all very bizarre in general - "I want something but missed being able to buy it during the few seconds it was available for purchase." Would swear there is a war going on and these are extremely rare food rations, but no, it's just your regular good ole consumerism in full swing.
   
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weird. I went in a queue system and got one, so did my friends.

Sorry your experience was different, seemed to work ok over here.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Limited box going out; meh. Limited box inlcuding an early release of the codex is what's douchey about this.

My hop[e is the codex relase is next week, don';t have high hopes as sisters had a 2 month wait IIRC, although christmas happened in between so..


Gw already confirmed it wont be out before 14.8 earliest. And hints 25.9 is latest

edit: In case you wonder where on the preorder article on saturday they noted in tournament they run on 13-15.8 the book won't be used because it's not out yet. So that's why it will be on stores on 14.8(saturday) EARLIEST. If it came week earlier GW would have less incentive to ban new codex from tournament. No word regarding ban for tournament on first weekend of october so unless they are going to announce ban there too later it means it is on stores before that and 25.9 is last saturday before that tournament kicks in(on friday). Thus 25.9 latest.


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 Arachnofiend wrote:
 Sledgehammer wrote:
The fact that it seems like GW cant release a single preorder without everything selling out in 5 minutes, should have investors psyched.

Not really, selling out so quickly means that there's significantly less stock than demand. Every person that wanted to buy a box but couldn't is lost profit.


Except they know a) there's no stock sitting along warhouse(costs money) b)they get to sell same stuff full price rather than discount.

Those unsold will be sold at higher profit margin later

There's reason why gw deliberately underproduces


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Togusa wrote:


You know you don't need these boxes to build or start these armies right? Nothing in the sisters box was needed as the full kits look a lot better than the snap-fit super mono-pose models.


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Snapfit doesn't affect looks and most of sister kits are monopose. Repentia at least has 2-pose kit. But box set was good precisely due to sister kits being monopose. Without that you have even more copy monopose models


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Togusa wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Incorrect. They produce an obscene number of copies because the one problem GW does still have is they can't gage the popularity of their own products.


So why did they overproduce Dominion and not this one? Or Cursed City? Or Indomitus? Or the Sisters box? Or literally ANY other limited release? Why was Dominion so special?


Dominion was a direct response to the issues stemming from Indomitus and specifically, the Cursed City debacle. The action of doing the Made to Order is too costly for them, so this time they overproduced by a large amount. It's sold extremely well and there are a lot more AoS players out there now than there was 6 months ago. The AoS reddit page grew by 40% in the last month.

Indomitus i could buy the claim but cc? No. When cc was released dominion boxes were already done

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Togusa wrote:
The MTG set was a pleasant surprise. WoTC has been churning out garbage for that game for over five years now, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well put together this set is. If only they could keep the trend going!


I hate to say it, but as beautiful as some of the D&D cards are the overall strength of that release is absolutely terrible.


Cards seem fine to me, but I've been playing Kitchen Table for 24 years now ignoring all the WAAC types.

Get ready to be shocked, but you know what I think the best set in the history of the game is? It's Prophecy.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Togusa wrote:
The MTG set was a pleasant surprise. WoTC has been churning out garbage for that game for over five years now, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well put together this set is. If only they could keep the trend going!


I hate to say it, but as beautiful as some of the D&D cards are the overall strength of that release is absolutely terrible.


As in terrible too strong, or terrible too weak?

Either way it doesn't really matter to me. The pre-release was fun & everything seemed to work with itself well enough.
In the end I'll build this set set & it'll find its way into some casual decks to be used on occasion while we're waiting for everyone else to arrive for the actual D&D game.


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dream archipelago wrote:
Hasbro/WotC is just a vile, despicable company in general.


Said without a trace of irony by a guy who supports GW....

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ccs wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
Togusa wrote:
The MTG set was a pleasant surprise. WoTC has been churning out garbage for that game for over five years now, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well put together this set is. If only they could keep the trend going!


I hate to say it, but as beautiful as some of the D&D cards are the overall strength of that release is absolutely terrible.


As in terrible too strong, or terrible too weak?

Either way it doesn't really matter to me. The pre-release was fun & everything seemed to work with itself well enough.
In the end I'll build this set set & it'll find its way into some casual decks to be used on occasion while we're waiting for everyone else to arrive for the actual D&D game.


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dream archipelago wrote:
Hasbro/WotC is just a vile, despicable company in general.


Said without a trace of irony by a guy who supports GW....


I made a FR thread in the card game forum section, let's take this there so we don't derail this thread. But I'd really like to hear more about why the other poster doesn't like the set.
   
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Voss wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:


Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.


Its... not. Early access is all about charging customers for the work in progress. Literally the consumers are paying the company to be beta testers. For indie devs, its sometimes the only way they have enough money to see the game through to completion (though that doesn't excuse the way it gets abused)

For all its sins, this is a complete product. As finished as it will be in 2 or 3 (or 6) months when the codex is released on its own. (which is to say there will be errors that they should have caught, but the timing and format of this box don't have any effect on that).
The solo release of the codex will likely have a slightly different cover, but no change in content.


Still an early access product by the definition of the words "Early" and "Access", which you get if you buy this box - you get an early access to the codex ahead of everyone else.


Yeah, sure... If you're going entirely by the general definitions of the words and not referring to what the computer game industry is doing _at all_, why are you even bringing up the computer game industry? Where limited stock and getting access 'ahead' of anyone else (because anyone can buy in) aren't even issues?

There's a lot to dislike about both behaviors, but... they don't overlap.


You're the one obsessing about computer games and derailing this thread into a definition debate so take that as you will. Although I would argue that with the lack of testing on a lot of GW products I would argue that most of the time we are indeed paying for relatively untested product. Of course, if you believe Ad Mech and Drukhari are the epitome of balance and perfection you are of course free to disagree.
   
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ccs wrote:
dream archipelago wrote:
Hasbro/WotC is just a vile, despicable company in general.


Said without a trace of irony by a guy who supports GW....


Yeah, the only difference between the two is that one is wearing a suit and the other a fan shirt of their own stuff.

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Just like with indomitus the lack of product vs demand is intentional by GW.

There will be more available of course, but only once white hot demand has been created via the frustration of not being able to get one at first release.

Apparently they are already on eBay for an outrageous uplift
   
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mrFickle wrote:
Just like with indomitus the lack of product vs demand is intentional by GW.

There will be more available of course, but only once white hot demand has been created via the frustration of not being able to get one at first release.

Apparently they are already on eBay for an outrageous uplift


Indomatus was not by intent, there was an identified scalper problem there, it's why GW took the damn near unprecidented decision to do a second made to order wave

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 Eldarsif wrote:
You're the one obsessing about computer games and derailing this thread into a definition debate so take that as you will. Although I would argue that with the lack of testing on a lot of GW products I would argue that most of the time we are indeed paying for relatively untested product. Of course, if you believe Ad Mech and Drukhari are the epitome of balance and perfection you are of course free to disagree.

When your argument is that something is "literally" like a well established, clearly defined and understood "something else", when it is - in fact - not like that "something else" at all, then you have to put up with being called out instead of moving your goal post.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Ultimately my problem with the Snagga box is that it is literally an Early Access product(like in computer games) which is a format I loathe with a passion.
By using capital letters for Early Access in addition to the clarification "like in computer games" you made it crystal clear what you meant. But your POV here is simply wrong. You can dislike it because you hate the color of the box for all I care, but don't make false analogies and then try to wiggle yourself out when being called out.

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Happy day for me got a phone call from my flgs and was asked if I still wanted aset. Seems there was a2nd preorder alocation. When I asked how many were allocated was told 4 so got for my friends as well.
   
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Seems like the intent with this stuff is to have a guaranteed sell out of a production run with a predictable profit. They can put the prices up a little higher because fomo will push people to spend more, and they don't end up with dud product sitting around taking up shelf space. They were burned with that a few times.

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all, but I can see what they are doing. It is more predictable for them and there's less chance of "failure" of a product.

But I'm not gonna buy into any of it, because I've learned to hate companies motivating me with fomo. For me, it was the wave of kickstarters a few years ago when that site launched that soured me on that marketing approach, so it's not like GW are the worst company in this regard. But I want to decide for myself when I spend my money and get new stuff, not based off the hype train and fomo. This is personal, I'm aware that that kind of psychology doesn't apply to everyone, but it does to me and I'd prefer not to engage with companies using those tactics.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all.


I really wish more people cared about this. Refusing to support anti-consumer stuff when its massive multi-billion dollar corporations is pointless but when its a relativly small fish like GW a concerted effort could easily effect their bottom line in a way that they would notice. But sadly people just HAVE to have those new space marines.


 
   
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 Sim-Life wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all.


I really wish more people cared about this. Refusing to support anti-consumer stuff when its massive multi-billion dollar corporations is pointless but when its a relativly small fish like GW a concerted effort could easily effect their bottom line in a way that they would notice. But sadly people just HAVE to have those new space marines.


I don’t think they are small fish, they are the only high street shop to have had year on year profits go up since 2008.

   
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mrFickle wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all.


I really wish more people cared about this. Refusing to support anti-consumer stuff when its massive multi-billion dollar corporations is pointless but when its a relativly small fish like GW a concerted effort could easily effect their bottom line in a way that they would notice. But sadly people just HAVE to have those new space marines.


I don’t think they are small fish, they are the only high street shop to have had year on year profits go up since 2008.



So you think if players all agreed across Reddit and Facebook etc to just not buy new codexes GW wouldn't notice?


 
   
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Although GW has shops on the highstreet I think it's a bit of a stretch to identify them as such.

Which no doubt is a large factor in why they're doing so well compared to other highstreet shops.
   
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OKC, OK USA

 Sim-Life wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all.


I really wish more people cared about this. Refusing to support anti-consumer stuff when its massive multi-billion dollar corporations is pointless but when its a relativly small fish like GW a concerted effort could easily effect their bottom line in a way that they would notice. But sadly people just HAVE to have those new space marines.


I don’t think they are small fish, they are the only high street shop to have had year on year profits go up since 2008.



So you think if players all agreed across Reddit and Facebook etc to just not buy new codexes GW wouldn't notice?


Good luck. Even if the internet forum users weren't a vocal minority of GW players, actually getting them to follow through is as laughably impossible as any of the other thousand times people have said that.

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Well, Bits & Kits in the UK managed to get at least a dozen to break up - https://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/warhammer-40000-beastsnagga-orks-box-set-c-1360_1587.html
   
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Yeah, the gratification of getting a box of Space Marines is generally far greater than whatever infinitesimally small impact not buying it might have.

The majority of people won't even care at all, they're more than happy with what GW/40k does.
   
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 Sim-Life wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

I think it's anti-consumer and I'm not interested in following it at all.


I really wish more people cared about this. Refusing to support anti-consumer stuff when its massive multi-billion dollar corporations is pointless but when its a relativly small fish like GW a concerted effort could easily effect their bottom line in a way that they would notice. But sadly people just HAVE to have those new space marines.


I don’t think they are small fish, they are the only high street shop to have had year on year profits go up since 2008.



So you think if players all agreed across Reddit and Facebook etc to just not buy new codexes GW wouldn't notice?

What a weird mentality. People enjoy buying new codexes, why shouldn't they?
   
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