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Space Wolves and Blood Angels IIRC.

Tony won

Are Space Wolves becoming the 40k equivalent of what Demons are(were) for Fantasy?

Aye, Tony won best overall, I know that guy! <.<

But aye, grats by all fun by all no dramaz?

A m-i-r-a-c-l-e?

I'm just gonna put you on ignore, Allen, since you always like to make a positive environment negative.

@Blackmoor - I don't think Space Wolves as a Codex is as dominant as Chaos Daemons were in 7th Edition Fantasy. However, they have a great and strong Codex. As MEQ, they have the benefit of being most mistake tolerant than most of the non-MEQ armies. Furthermore, they have great fluff, interesting modeling potential, have a reasonably low model count, and the codex embraces a play style for both shooty and choppy components. The army is not necessarily overpowered, but it is a codex that is accessible, fun, and competitive. This makes it a popular choice, and then by the numbers it gets more "fame," which make it even more popular, saturating the environment and yielding a significant number of high profile wins.

Of the newer codices, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard are very competitive and have great options for diversity. Imo, from a popularity perspective, Space Wolves triple-up over IG, since a) SW have a choppy component adding additional playstyle diversity b) have a lower model count making it more acccesible, and c) are MEQ, which have a lot of fluff and GW marketing focus.

Thats my opinion on it


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Oh, and as a Chaos fan... the SW Codex is what the CSM codex could have or should have been.

Blackmoor wrote:Are Space Wolves becoming the 40k equivalent of what Demons are(were) for Fantasy?

No, of course not.

AbsoluteBlue wrote:
Oh, and as a Chaos fan... the SW Codex is what the CSM codex could have or should have been.

YES!, I am saving my dollars awaiting the return of the best army in the game

AbsoluteBlue wrote:
Oh, and as a Chaos fan... the SW Codex is what the CSM codex could have or should have been.

You know you can just run run your Chaos marines as Counts As SW and have all of your wildest fantasies come true!

Monster Rain wrote:

AbsoluteBlue wrote:
Oh, and as a Chaos fan... the SW Codex is what the CSM codex could have or should have been.

You know you can just run run your Chaos marines as Counts As SW and have all of your wildest fantasies come true!

I c wat you did thar!

In other news, fun tourny, can't wait for next year!

@Monster Rain - Shep reminds me of this everytime I keep wanting to start a SW army and probably the only real reason I don't have a SW army

i played Mark (2nd place) round 1....

You can ask him also, my luck was just ungodly bad.... best example of how bad my luck was... 15 attacks... 2 hits... 1 wound that he saved....

Still. He was a great guy and would love to play against him in the future.

the next game I lost when I predicted my opponent would seize on me: but seeing as I had won first turn, I set up as normal. Seizure cost me my way of killing his land raiders... but he gave me a chance to win 2 turns later when his last remaining troops jumped out infront of my land raider redeemer full of thunderhammer termies... few bad rolls later... i killed 1 tactical and lost 3 terminators....

that was game. Also a great guy, wouldn't mind playing in the future....

Game 3 was against a Blood angels player with rouge trader aged minis. Fantastic guy, would love to play against him again... This time my luck was over the top good.... I won.

game 4. Finally some average rolling! Played another fantastic guy. he had a horrible day and was sick of playing, by the end of the game I think he had a good time. He and I were going to play today... but my presence was required at home for a family matter... (its a good thing i didn't make day 2...)

Anyways... NOVA was fantastic. If they add in Kill points to cut back on how unbalanced MSUs are I'll gladly play again, and if they don't I'll still play.

Smurfy wrote:Aye, Tony won best overall, I know that guy! <.<

But aye, grats by all fun by all no dramaz?

A m-i-r-a-c-l-e?

I'm just gonna put you on ignore, Allen, since you always like to make a positive environment negative.

I recommend that you put me on ignore if you can't take me noticing that Space Wolves do extremely well at tournaments. Out of the armies that were playing on day 2, how many of them were Space Wolves? Half? What you see as negativity I just see as observations. You asked me in the chat why I made such negative comments and I don't think that I did. If you want to talk about it further you can PM me and maybe you took my comments out of context.

I am not a fantasy player, so I do not know just how bad the Demons were compared to the other armies, but everyone was saying that they are the strongest army book. It looks like at this time Mech IG is not as good as it was (or perhaps not suited to the Nova Open's missions), and now Space Wolves are the top tournament army. Especially seeing how they did at what was billed as a truly competitive event.

Edit: It was an impressive win by a 16 year-old and congratulations to him. Commenting on the strength of the codex takes nothing away from his win since he had to fight his way through a ton of Space Wolves himself, and some of the best players there.

Smurfy wrote:But aye, grats by all fun by all no dramaz?

A m-i-r-a-c-l-e?

And at a truly competitive event at that. According to all the BS posted in the soft score threads, everyone should have acted like raving jackasses and constantly been at each other's throats, cheating should have been rampant, and it should have been a horrible event for all involved.

Hopefully this helps prove to people that you can't force people to "behave" as it were, and that trying to impose rules that do so end up having the opposite effect more often than not. Of course this was just one event, so...

Hulksmash wrote:And the dude that beat me out for a spot tomorrow is a lurker here but he pulled a nice solid win out of me in the last round !

Hey its fun to be a lurker and it was a great game coming down to last run 7" moves and hit and run contests, I can't ask for much more being rewarding for close wins in most of my games day one.

It was great to participate in the Novaopen and enjoy a different tournament format.

Mike thank you again (I know I said it enough in person) but it needs to be said it was well run and lots of thought/input obviously went into the planning/execution.

Now just the wait until next year =P

Sidstyler wrote:

Smurfy wrote:But aye, grats by all fun by all no dramaz?

A m-i-r-a-c-l-e?

And at a truly competitive event at that. According to all the BS posted in the soft score threads, everyone should have acted like raving jackasses and constantly been at each other's throats, cheating should have been rampant, and it should have been a horrible event for all involved.

Hopefully this helps prove to people that you can't force people to "behave" as it were, and that trying to impose rules that do so end up having the opposite effect more often than not. Of course this was just one event, so...

I never understand that. A lot of people think that if you remove sportsmanship from a tournament you will get nothing but anarchy. I have said in the past that sportsmanship actually protects TFG because you can't call him out because you are afraid of getting hit in your sportsmanship score.

When people pay $50 or so for a tournament they are there to have fun and play some 40k. They are not there to argue rules and be jerks.

Blackmoor wrote:
Edit: It was an impressive win by a 16 year-old and congratulations to him. Commenting on the strength of the codex takes nothing away from his win since he had to fight his way through a ton of Space Wolves himself, and some of the best players there.

This.

Mark went through two optimized marines, multiple ticket winner Dameon Green and Danny Internets' mech guard (manticore, vendettas, chimeraspam, etc), before having to take on DashofPepper's undefeated Orks on Sunday.

Tony went through Mafty's Mechdar, 2 loganwing (including Neil Gilstrap from the 11th co. podcast), and 2 mech sw (local tough guy Jeff Payne and Stelek), before taking down above Mark's battle-hardened BA.

Regardless of codex balance discussions / etc., two awesome players went through an absurdly difficult pair of schedules to take each other on in a tough final, and Tony came out on top as the only undefeated, 6-0.

I don't care what your codex is, this 16 y/o is one hell of a competitor, and an incredibly normal, cool, mature teen to boot.




Breast beating moment ... 2 locals made the finals, both going through literally (by statistics and list obviousness) two of the toughest schedules any individuals had to face at the Open, and each taking down a well-publicized undefeated internet "Celebrity" in the semifinals (Mark took down DashofPepper, Tony took down Stelek) ... couldn't ask for a more "hometown warm fuzzy" story.


Tons of coverage and feedback, results and improvements, glories and sadness, etc. to come from Open coverage, plus ... how much bigger we're planning on going next year!



There was literally only one incidence of drama, between a pair of 0-2 players. One of them got upset at the experience of the game and left; even then, he took time to talk to us and explain that the game had simply put him off, and he didn't want that to reflect on his later opponents and materially harm their day of fun.

Other than that, smiles and cheers all around. It made my life as an organizer ... infinitely easier. We also have multiple video recorded games between intense competitors to prove to the internet full of retards that being a tough competitor has NOTHING TO DO with your quality as a human being and opponent.

Aye, glad for the locals, and can vouch for Tony. Had close games with him when I was in the area, but it shocks me he was merely 16, he looks older.

Anyways, hope this is a example, not to be forgotton.

I was the guard player in the drama incident Mike mentioned above (we were 0-1's at the time).

Mike and staff handled it swiftly, professionally, and made it smooth sailing. Even with that event (which is literally the worst game I think I've ever played in 14 years) I can honestly say I had an absolute blast.

I managed to finish 3-1 with only my one loss in my first game (to blasted thunderwolf cav! *fist shake*) against me, and made top 5 in appearance (something I've never done and definitely made my day).

I've attended several GT's (GW and Indy) and never had close to as good of a time as I did at the NOVA Open. I got home at ~1am after going out with friends afterwards and found myself up thinking about things to change for next year. Now thats an event.

Thanks again Mike for an excellently organized and executed event!

PS: Can we expect to see a score report posted in the near future of how every ranked up and finished? I'd be curious to see how I did overall now that its all said and done!

Guys, I swear I'll have the results up as soon as humanly possible.



First glance = http://whiskey40k.blogspot.com/2010/08/nova-open-results-40k.html

No rush, I was just curious if they were going to be posted at all, some events do, some events don't.

You've earned some time to relax after this weekend!

Smurfy wrote:

I'm just gonna put you on ignore, Allen, since you always like to make a positive environment negative.

Undefeated First Day
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Space Wolves
Space Wolves
Orks

Am I being negative posting this? (I am being passive-aggressive)

Blackmoor wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Smurfy wrote:But aye, grats by all fun by all no dramaz?

A m-i-r-a-c-l-e?

And at a truly competitive event at that. According to all the BS posted in the soft score threads, everyone should have acted like raving jackasses and constantly been at each other's throats, cheating should have been rampant, and it should have been a horrible event for all involved.

Hopefully this helps prove to people that you can't force people to "behave" as it were, and that trying to impose rules that do so end up having the opposite effect more often than not. Of course this was just one event, so...

I never understand that. A lot of people think that if you remove sportsmanship from a tournament you will get nothing but anarchy. I have said in the past that sportsmanship actually protects TFG because you can't call him out because you are afraid of getting hit in your sportsmanship score.

When people pay $50 or so for a tournament they are there to have fun and play some 40k. They are not there to argue rules and be jerks.

I played in a local event (20 players) yesterday. Got into probably 20 rules arguments with third round opponent, being wrong on one of them. If this was a sportsmanship event he could have docked my scores, as has happened to lots of players in the past. Since it was not I felt free to prevent him from cheating. Most players are generally more laid back in these events too, since you dont have to play used car salesman to not get docked against some guys.

Eidolon wrote:.... since you dont have to play used car salesman to not get docked against some guys.

I always hated this about comp tourneys...not because I was the used car salesmen but because I often felt that my oponent was being obviously false and phony.

Anyway I had no problems with any of the 4 guys I played at the tourney. I had a great time, wish I could have stayed around for the awards ceremony but wife and kids were hungry and it was 8:30 pm so had to run.

One thing I would recomend for next year is to improve the sound system, I.E. get a few more amps spread out in the room so we can hear you better. :-)

Congrats to the winner!!

GG

Sounds like it was a great event, with great publicity.

Congratulations to everyone involved with this great event! I am very happy to see a competitive event being run so smoothly and a good time being had by all. Hopefully, future 40k events will take the success of this one as a signal to "up their game." I think 40k has potential as a competitive game after all.

I hope TOs in the future learn from MVBrant on how to publicize, inform and to respond to the community.

And learn from the Conquest people on the west coast how not to run a tournament.

What did the conquest people do?

Eidolon wrote:What did the conquest people do?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

That is why they had to cancel their Conquest Las Vegas event, and they had to change their LA event from 2 days to 1, and from 4 games to 5. I also think that GW stripped them of handing out any more golden tickets.

Blackmoor wrote:

Smurfy wrote:

I'm just gonna put you on ignore, Allen, since you always like to make a positive environment negative.

Undefeated First Day
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Space Wolves
Space Wolves
Orks

Am I being negative posting this? (I am being passive-aggressive)

there was 90 some people, of which it looked like over half were marines. What do you expect the final 5 to look like when over 50% of the player base was using some kind of marine army? Guard actually wasnt that popular, I would say only filled a small percentage of players, I saw as many guard as I did eldar.

For what its worth, heres how I saw the breakdown of the 90ish people

60-70% Marines and marine varients (Including chaos)
10% Guard
5% Eldar
5% Orks
3% Chaos Daemons
3% Tryanids (low turnout of nids IMO)
3% Tau
1% Necrons (1 Guy lol)

Didnt see a SOB, DE, or GK army.

And to be fair, most of the marine armies, were space wolves or BA (tons of BA that I saw). 2/4 of my games were against marines, and I was talking to several others who ONLY played against other marine armies.

Here is one problem I had with the Nova Open's format...

In college basketball (since it is a similar elimination tournament) all of the teams are ranked based on skill and are seeded appropriately.

The problem I see is since you can't rank anyone pre-tournament so a huge advantage goes to those that get an easy opponent in the first round. For example you crush a new player, you are ranked at the top and you go against a guy that barely scraped by, which gives you the best odds of doing it again etc.

One way of doing this is just having brackets and randomly scatter the opponents in it, and you play the next person that won there game in the bracket below you. Then you can re-seed after round 3 or 4 if you want to.


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Mafty wrote:

there was 90 some people, of which it looked like over half were marines. What do you expect the final 5 to look like when over 50% of the player base was using some kind of marine army? Guard actually wasnt that popular, I would say only filled a small percentage of players, I saw as many guard as I did eldar.

If the field was 50% MEQ I would think that the top 5 would look like this:

Space Marines
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
2 other non MEQ armies

But what happened is that the Space Wolves did much better than the other MEQs. I was just noting that Space Wolves out-preformed at the event.

And to be fair, most of the marine armies, were space wolves or BA (tons of BA that I saw). 2/4 of my games were against marines, and I was talking to several others who ONLY played against other marine armies.

Same thing happened at BolsCon, there was a sea of MEQ players. That is what happens when the latest (5th edition) codexs are the best and they are SM, SW, BA with 'Nids and IG thrown in.